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#1 Oct 20 2005 at 4:51 PM Rating: Decent
Everyone knows the world of FFXI is perpetually under attack from hackers or DDoS. My question is, why can't there be friendly hackers? Wouldn't it be nice to meet a hacker that went in and gave everyone on the server 10,000,000g? I don't know a single person that would be pissed off about that...except maybe the gilsellers. Then again, I think the people doing the attacking and the gilsellers are one in the same. Or maybe former gilsellers that got caught and had their accounts deleted. Basically, a friendly hacker is an oximoron (contradiction). Hackers seem to be malicious by nature. Too bad they don't use those talents to help people. Then they wouldn't be so dispised. I'd love nothing more than to log in one day and discover a "glitch" in the system has mistakenly sent me 10mil gil or maybe gave me 100 skill in Woodworking. ^^

Edited, Thu Oct 20 18:00:33 2005 by Kazemusha
#2 Oct 20 2005 at 4:53 PM Rating: Decent
if only my friend but then i think your inflation would go through the roof if every got 10mil gil
#3 Oct 20 2005 at 4:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Not all hackers are malicious, they come in many hats. From Wikipedia,

Whitehat or White Hat: A hacker who breaks security but who does so for altruistic or at least non-malicious reasons. White hats generally have a clearly defined code of ethics, and will often attempt to work with a manufacturer or owner to ameliorate discovered security weaknesses, although many reserve the implicit or explicit threat of public disclosure after a "reasonable" time as a prod to ensure timely response from a corporate entity. The term is also used to describe hackers who work to deliberately design and code more secure systems. To White Hats, the darker the hat, the more the ethics of the activity can be considered dubious. Conversely, blackhats may claim the lighter the hat, the more the ethics of the activity are lost.

Grey hat: A hacker of ambiguous ethics and/or borderline legality, often frankly admitted.

Black Hat or Blackhat: someone who subverts computer security without authorization or indeed, anyone who has been accused of using technology (usually a computer or the Internet) for terrorism, vandalism, credit card fraud, identity theft, intellectual property theft, and many other forms of crime. This can mean taking control of a remote computer through a network, or software cracking.

Unfortunately we hear more about Black Hats than White Hats..
#4 Oct 20 2005 at 4:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Kazemusha wrote:
My question is, why can't there be friendly hackers? Wouldn't it be nice to meet a hacker that went in and gave everyone on the server 10,000,000g? I don't know a single person that would be pissed off about that...except maybe the gilsellers.


Well, now you do. Because it would utterly destroy the economy in one blow.

#5 Oct 20 2005 at 4:59 PM Rating: Good
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Actually... I think you may be confusing two quite different people. The terminology I'm going to use is based on what I've learned over time, so feel free to use different words in your mind.

Hacker: One who seeks loopholes/openings in computer networks and attempts to break inside, with the sole purpose of reporting these problems to the administrator.

Cracker: While similar to a hacker in their methods, their purpose is to cause malicious damage in some way. This can include profiting themselves or damaging other people's information.

You could probably just say "Hacker (good)" and "Hacker (bad)" if you want to simplify it. The kind of person you are asking for is a cracker, in my book. One who will disrupt the economy on all worlds by providing everyone with a 10m gil bank account.

In reference to the first part of your post, hackers do help people. They're often misunderstood for it because of their methods.
#6 Oct 20 2005 at 4:59 PM Rating: Decent
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1- Inthe short run? ok, w/e, the first 100 people to log on would buy a good bit of the more expensive AH items. Prices would skyrocket. It wouldn't be friendly, that'd be the most malicious thing you could do. It would be damn near irrepairable without resetting to before the hacking.

2- Because that is way beyond what they're doing. That would be like 'infiltrate SE, sneak into their headquaters and hold [GM]Luminus ransom' level. All they're doing now is assaulting teh server to the point where it can't handle the load.
#7 Oct 20 2005 at 5:03 PM Rating: Decent
True, about the inflation, but I don't think it'd last long. Anyway, it'd give us people that are less fortunate and can't afford our armor without spending literally weeks farming under heavy competition a chance to buy that Scorpion Harness we've always wanted or that Millionair's Desk or Bravo's Subligar. Gilsellers and otherwise greedy people have jacked up the prices so high that only the elite can afford them. It seems kind of stupid that in order to earn enough gil to buy the armor you need at Lv50-60 you have to level a job to Lv65-75. By the time I get to Lv70+ hopefully I'll be getting my Assassin's gear and won't need it anymore. A nice "catch 22" they have going there. Most people I know can't afford to pay millions of gil to buy armor like that. The only ones I do know that can afford to go flittering away precious gil already have a Lv70+ job and earn millions of gil a week. Maybe the people setting the prices for these items don't realize not everyone has a Lv70+ job and doesn't make that kind of gil, doesn't mean we don't need that armor or don't deserve to get it. Sure we could settle for lesser armor, but some people like me want to be as effective at our jobs as possible. We don't want our partys to suffer because we were too poor to buy the better pieces of equipment.

Edited, Thu Oct 20 18:15:32 2005 by Kazemusha
#8 Oct 20 2005 at 5:06 PM Rating: Decent
I've made up nice little...or not so little lists of "things to get" for each of the job I'm playing to upper levels. I actually had to make 2 lists, 1 of not so good armor that is just barely able to cover what my job needs and the 2nd of "Uber" gear. Gear that will cover my job till I get my AFv2. Some of those items are overcamped NM drops guarded jealously by MPKing gilsellers and NM monopolizers and others are just rediculously overpriced for the stats they give. I still need to get those items but with the way things are, by the time I get them I won't need them anymore and in the meantime both me and my partys must suffer through less than "Uber" gear. I finally managed to get my Bounding Boots...after playing the game 17mo. Thank you very much gilsellers and thank you SE for finally addressing them >.>

Edited, Thu Oct 20 18:25:28 2005 by Kazemusha
#9 Oct 20 2005 at 5:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Deila said it best, nice info. That is the terminology that I'm familiar with too. Just quoting for the sake of it:

Hacker: One who seeks loopholes/openings in computer networks and attempts to break inside, with the sole purpose of reporting these problems to the administrator.

Cracker: While similar to a hacker in their methods, their purpose is to cause malicious damage in some way. This can include profiting themselves or damaging other people's information.

However. Not all hackers wish to report the flaw. Some just run around hacking stuff just to show that they can, it's a game to them. In the past I've played hacking games online where there are different steps to get around the level, kinda fun.
#10 Oct 20 2005 at 5:10 PM Rating: Decent
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ok. let's assume each server has 20k characters.

Give 10 million to each of those characters.


200,000,000,000G Put in the economy.


if you don't think that'll cause awful inflation, you're an idiot.
#11 Oct 20 2005 at 5:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Sad thing is, if someone gave everyone on Asura 10mil, they still couldn't buy a Scorp Harness with it ._.
#12 Oct 20 2005 at 5:23 PM Rating: Decent
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EA's Battlefield Server got hacked like that once IIRC.

They gave certain account range access to all the weapons and upgrades I think. I never play the game, but I read the thread about it.

But giving everyone 10m gil will just mean all the items now cost 10x as much. And after the first day (hour?) your 10m will be worthless. Creating Gil out of thin air is how this whole inflation thing happened. That hacker will worsen it 1000x.
#13 Oct 20 2005 at 5:29 PM Rating: Decent
My friend, that would be a wonderful thing for sure!

However I dont know many people that would enjoy the resuly of that. I cant say that anyone would want the price of lets say an ash club or flint stone to be 2.9 million gil hahaha.
#14 Oct 20 2005 at 5:30 PM Rating: Decent
Heheh! Ok, so maybe giving everyone 10mil gil isn't the best idea. I just hate that all these rich elitest run around with their "Uber" gear and price the items so rediculously high that only their kind of people (other elitest) can afford it. And then they greedily go down to low level areas and farm the only sources of income us lower level people have. I mean come on! Why in the hell would a Lv70+ be farming in Pashhow, my god, can't they go farm in an area a little closer to their own level? Yes, there's a lot of money to be made in Pashhow...at least on my server. Which in my opinion is something of SE's fault for putting too many high value drops in one area. Not like they couldn't spread it out a little. Lots of "Uber" high level people come down there to farm the Beastmen's Blood (55k/stack), Tree Cuttings (110k/stack) & Silk Thread (45k/stack). It would have been nice if SE had made it so that any Leech could drop Fiend's Blood and Beastmen's Blood, just make the Beastmen's Blood a rare drop. All the people that farm Pashhow for the blood could spread out to other areas instead of clustering together in one area.
#15 Oct 20 2005 at 5:32 PM Rating: Decent
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A friendly hacker would do something like move all the bots and gilsellers to some out of the way zone, set thier HP's there, and arrange for a bunch of nightmare NM's to spawn between them and freedom. That is, if they could move anywhere from the lag.
#16 Oct 20 2005 at 5:34 PM Rating: Decent
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TrueFeba wrote:
ok. let's assume each server has 20k characters.

Give 10 million to each of those characters.


200,000,000,000G Put in the economy.


if you don't think that'll cause awful inflation, you're an idiot.

I agree with feba, giving everyone 10 million gil would worsen inflation by about 10,000 times.

Everyone has more gil, so everyone will buy more. The AH goes bare.

Prices of things will go waaaaaaaaaaaay up, because everyone knows everyone else has more gil, so they charge more.

The gil gradually goes away because of people paying for transition fees, bazaar taxes, npc stores, chocobos and such, but the prices stay up because the standards have been raised.

We shall call it the Great Vana'diel Depression.

EDIT: A friendly hacker wouldn't hack, end of story.

Edited, Thu Oct 20 18:42:22 2005 by Lilani
#17 Oct 20 2005 at 5:41 PM Rating: Good
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Kazemusha wrote:
It seems kind of stupid that in order to earn enough gil to buy the armor you need at Lv50-60 you have to level a job to Lv65-75.

It seems stupid because it's not true. It's just that (you think) reaching these levels will make earning gil faster for you, which is only true if you earn gil solely by job-level-dependent activities. These including farming and camping NMs. However:

1. There's still plenty of stuff you can farm and camp at lower levels. It will just take you longer than a higher level to earn the same amount of gil.

2. Job level has little to no impact on your ability to make a profit with crafting, and only a small impact on your ability to make a profit by fishing.

If I actually wanted to farm (I don't), I wouldn't do it on my 75 BRD. I'd take my 40 THF to 45 and use that.
#18 Oct 20 2005 at 8:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Obev wrote:
Sad thing is, if someone gave everyone on Asura 10mil, they still couldn't buy a Scorp Harness with it ._.


Bingo. If you gave everyone 10 mil, 10 mil would not buy a Harness. Harnesses would now cost 1 billion...maybe more.

#19 Oct 20 2005 at 10:16 PM Rating: Decent
On Fenrir server regular Scorpion Harness is 6mil, the +1 is 15mil. With 10mil, I could buy my Scorpion Harness (6mil), Bravo's Subligar (1.2mil), Comet Tail (1.2mil) & Millionair's Desk (1mil) and have little left over.
#20 Oct 20 2005 at 10:40 PM Rating: Decent
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When I saw the topic I expected to read something about hoping/requesting friendly hackers would ATTACK the people initiating the DDoS attacks. The best defense is a good offense (and dead enemies).
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