You know, right about now, I wouldn't be carrying out any DDoS attacks for the sole purpose of carrying out DDoS attacks.
We're living in a world where one of your major countries (Amurica) has decided to play god with an ambiguous, semi-existant group of people (teh-wrists) by way of slaughtering a whole bunch of innocent and non-related people (Muslims) completely at random.
Since there's no monetary gain to denying people access to a freaking video game, and the only possible political statement you could be making by doing so is "I hate make believe", one would have to assume that the only purpose for perpetrating a DDoS attack on the Final Fantasy system is to harrass and irritate people.
Since I can't imagine that anyone with the motive to mess with a video game server wouldn't be checking sites like this out in order to bask in the glory of p*ssing people off, I'd like to offer this:
America has a lot of bombs, a psychotic wannabe-cowboy at the helm, and an administration full of people with a fifty-year old chub just waiting to blow a wad of nuclear fallout all over anything they can even remotely justify calling "terrorist". If you get caught, the chances are pretty good that you, and everyone within a hundred mile radius of you, is toast.
Yes, it would be stupid, pathetic, and childish of the United States to attack people because someone is doing DDoS attacks on a gameserver, but take a look at any newspaper and tell me you honestly believe that our current government is above doing something like that anymore.
By the way, if you're one of the people who reads the above and feels the immediate and unstoppable urge to hit the reply button and clank out anything that resembles, "GO LIVE IN IRAQ! YOU HATE AMERICA! YOU F*CKING TERRORIST! DIE, COMMIE SCUM! LIBERAL DEMOCRAPS ARE GOING TO HELL!" etc., please be advised that my answer, in advance, is that I consider you to be lower than the curb I use to wipe dogsh*t off the bottom of my shoes. I've tried forever to deal with you kinds of people and you're just beneath reason. There are plenty of totalitarian dictatorships in the world that I'm sure you'll find much more to your liking, and you're free to gas up your house and go find one, because here, I'm still allowed to disagree with you whether you like it or not. I'm not saying you're not completely free to spew whatever garbage you want, I'm just writing the response in advance because it's not going to change, and if I spent the amount of time it would take to reiterate it to each one of you 'Americuh, *** yeh' dweebs each and every time you made one of your "I have too many copies of the exact same set of chromosomes floating around in my bloodstream" induced statements, I'd never get anything else done. Thank you. (**note: This does not apply to people who disagree with me and are actually able to express their opinion without sounding like brain-damaged howler monkeys on acid.)
edit: Ratedowns without responses is teh sexx0r!!111!
Edited, Sat Oct 15 14:52:59 2005 by Khateria
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You made the mistakes of putting politics in the main forum not me, and actually it is a person who likes this game. Likes it so much once he got banned hes flooding the server with commands. He already posted hes doing it publicly.
Stick to the topic, dont ramble on about how much you hate conservatives.
Stick to the topic, dont ramble on about how much you hate conservatives.
eh.
The topic is "Dedicated Denial of Service attacks is a stupid thing to do, and here's a reason why." The "rambling" is just me trying to save some wear and tear on my fingers.
My best friend is a conservative. What I "hate" are people who think putzy ultimatums in capital letters constitute political discourse.
The topic is "Dedicated Denial of Service attacks is a stupid thing to do, and here's a reason why." The "rambling" is just me trying to save some wear and tear on my fingers.
My best friend is a conservative. What I "hate" are people who think putzy ultimatums in capital letters constitute political discourse.
the Denial of service attacks began happening after Sqeenix banned a crapton of gilseller/gilbuyer accounts..allegedly 800-900 accounts. I doubt it has anything to do with politics so much as there were people who sacraficed huge chunks of their real lives (destroyed relationships, wasted money, ruined education, lost jobs etc) for FFXI and now find themselves faced with the reality that is their life. So rather than take responsability instead they would choose to be a big baby about it all and pull the "IF I can't have FFXI than NOBODY can have it"
She shouldn't be punished for having an opinion, just guide her to the Assylum. I don't in any way agree with her but she is new so at least give her another chance.
She shouldn't be punished for having an opinion, just guide her to the Assylum. I don't in any way agree with her but she is new so at least give her another chance.
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She shouldn't be punished for having an opinion, just guide her to the Assylum.
Good point. I'm going to go ask to have the thread moved. Given the slant of the content, it probably doesn't belong in this forum.
My only concern for you is that they may Karma camp you. they have issues with FFXI people. You have a very valid arguement regardless of my own personal beliefs and you shouldn't be rated down for it. I'm kind of worried though that if you post it in the assylum (which is the right place for a political debat) they may completly disresect you and Karma camp you just for being an ffxier :(
Prowar/antiwar we all are entitled to an opinion the only thing is can we handle how the audience reacts to said opinions?
Prowar/antiwar we all are entitled to an opinion the only thing is can we handle how the audience reacts to said opinions?
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the Denial of service attacks began happening after Sqeenix banned a crapton of gilseller/gilbuyer accounts..allegedly 800-900 accounts.
It also happened a little after SE announced that they are lowering the EXP requirements to get to level 75.
When the DDOS attacks first started all I could picture is a bunch of pissed off level 75ers getting revenge. That may not be the truth, but that's just how I thought of it....
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My only concern for you is that they may Karma camp you. they have issues with FFXI people. You have a very valid arguement regardless of my own personal beliefs and you shouldn't be rated down for it. I'm kind of worried though that if you post it in the assylum (which is the right place for a political debat) they may completly disresect you and Karma camp you just for being an ffxier :(
Prowar/antiwar we all are entitled to an opinion the only thing is can we handle how the audience reacts to said opinions?
Prowar/antiwar we all are entitled to an opinion the only thing is can we handle how the audience reacts to said opinions?
Wait, what? Saying the US government is crazy and is going to bomb people DDoSing FFXI is a valid arguement?
Just one advice, a friendly one, let this post die and don't bother
posting in the asylum. You will not be well received over there.
posting in the asylum. You will not be well received over there.
I don't get how all Americans get the blame for our hypocrite government. I was born here and if I could leave I would. It's the same with the Iraqis, we attack them because some smart-*** ***** thought that it'd be fun to kill innocents and our government thinks it's just fine and dandy to do the same thing back to them. You see, we're not all beneath reason, you just have to say the right think to the right people.
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I don't get how all Americans get the blame for our hypocrite government. I was born here and if I could leave I would. It's the same with the Iraqis, we attack them because some smart-*** @#%^s thought that it'd be fun to kill innocents and our government thinks it's just fine and dandy to do the same thing back to them. You see, we're not all beneath reason, you just have to say the right think to the right people.
You really do not watch the news or talk at the dinner table do you? Please sir, if your going to be a liberal, come up some better conspiracy theories.
To be honest, the whole thing was meant to be slightly tongue-in-cheek. The disclaimer was an attempt to keep people who actually had a viewpoint or an opinion or something to add from having to scroll through twenty or thirty posts of screaming groupthink from people who didn't bother to actually read it, can't appreciate mild sarcasm and would just be buttcheeks about the whole thing because somebody had the gall to maybe hint that they don't exactly lurve George Bush or his war.
My post wasn't about supporting the troops or democracy or even especially Republicans or George Bush. It was kind of a lark on how maybe doing things that appear to be cyberterrorism when you've got a massive, nuclear-capable country ready to pull the trigger on anyone they think is a terrorist may, at some point, have ramifications beyond irritating gamers. I didn't want the thread to turn into the current political version of "Tastes Great-Less Filling".
Is it likely that our government is going to give even one sh*t about this? Not very. Is it possible that if the right person on the right day at the right time decides that it's cyberterrorism and that "something" needs to be done about it, that the absolute worst case scenario could evolve out of something as stupid as DDoS attacks on Final Fantasy servers? Yes. Purple flying dinosaurs on Venus is possible. Anything is possible.
I would have assumed that the utter improbability of the occurrance would have been enough to make intelligent people understand the argument as being facetious, and that alone makes it not worth having to put up with the kind of people who would start calling people terrorists and telling them that if they don't like war, they hate America.
My personal feelings about kinds of people who do do that, however, stand, and judging from the responses in the thread, I've either preempted those people entirely or they're just not here (which would be wonderful). Disagreeing with me is one thing (if I didn't expect and welcome honest disagreement, I wouldn't have opened my mouth), but needlessly doing harm to others who have done nothing but civilly disagree with you by accusing them of being traitors and saying they should be executed (Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, and Ann Coulter have all said something to this effect at one point or another) is entirely unnecessary, and I didn't want it to happen here. You have to admit, if this thread were full of capitalized comments about the Democratic Party should be rounded up and gassed, it would be much worse than anything I've said.
But I guess part of the problem is that people just don't know where I'm coming from. In the last election, at my polling place, the conservative majority where I was living then attempted to block registered Democrats from entering the building. I had to physically fight in order to vote (with an infant in my arms, no less). People would go through town at night and break the windows out of cars that had Kerry bumper stickers on them. At my job, I would be physically threatened by customers if I didn't absolutely and sincerely agree with them that 1) God wants George Bush to be president, and 2) God directed George Bush to wage war against the Iraqi people. After the second election, I knew for a fact that I was going to have to move in order to keep my family from being harmed by these people, and I did.
So no, I don't like conservatives all that much. Frankly, the kind of conservatives I've had the most exposure to aren't very likeable. But that wasn't the point of the post.
But I think I'm going to take the advice given here and do my part to kill this thread. It's in the wrong place and can be taken the wrong way. If you guys want to discuss it, that's on you, but I'm going to drop it. If Alla moves it, oh well. If they delete it, oh well. It'll be gone soon enough.
Oh, and to the people worried about my karma on the board: Don't be. Extroverts aren't extroverted because other people like them. That's just the way we are. Plenty of people don't like me, but that never stopped me from talking to them. And to the person who said that I "wouldn't be welcome" in the Asylum forum: I graduated from high school over ten years ago. Being outcast by a clique really doesn't bother me much anymore. I got involved in the forum system because I like people and I like talking to people, but the main reason I use Alla is because, in terms of RPG's, I couldn't find my a$$ with both hands, a flashlight and a sheriff's posse.
My post wasn't about supporting the troops or democracy or even especially Republicans or George Bush. It was kind of a lark on how maybe doing things that appear to be cyberterrorism when you've got a massive, nuclear-capable country ready to pull the trigger on anyone they think is a terrorist may, at some point, have ramifications beyond irritating gamers. I didn't want the thread to turn into the current political version of "Tastes Great-Less Filling".
Is it likely that our government is going to give even one sh*t about this? Not very. Is it possible that if the right person on the right day at the right time decides that it's cyberterrorism and that "something" needs to be done about it, that the absolute worst case scenario could evolve out of something as stupid as DDoS attacks on Final Fantasy servers? Yes. Purple flying dinosaurs on Venus is possible. Anything is possible.
I would have assumed that the utter improbability of the occurrance would have been enough to make intelligent people understand the argument as being facetious, and that alone makes it not worth having to put up with the kind of people who would start calling people terrorists and telling them that if they don't like war, they hate America.
My personal feelings about kinds of people who do do that, however, stand, and judging from the responses in the thread, I've either preempted those people entirely or they're just not here (which would be wonderful). Disagreeing with me is one thing (if I didn't expect and welcome honest disagreement, I wouldn't have opened my mouth), but needlessly doing harm to others who have done nothing but civilly disagree with you by accusing them of being traitors and saying they should be executed (Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, and Ann Coulter have all said something to this effect at one point or another) is entirely unnecessary, and I didn't want it to happen here. You have to admit, if this thread were full of capitalized comments about the Democratic Party should be rounded up and gassed, it would be much worse than anything I've said.
But I guess part of the problem is that people just don't know where I'm coming from. In the last election, at my polling place, the conservative majority where I was living then attempted to block registered Democrats from entering the building. I had to physically fight in order to vote (with an infant in my arms, no less). People would go through town at night and break the windows out of cars that had Kerry bumper stickers on them. At my job, I would be physically threatened by customers if I didn't absolutely and sincerely agree with them that 1) God wants George Bush to be president, and 2) God directed George Bush to wage war against the Iraqi people. After the second election, I knew for a fact that I was going to have to move in order to keep my family from being harmed by these people, and I did.
So no, I don't like conservatives all that much. Frankly, the kind of conservatives I've had the most exposure to aren't very likeable. But that wasn't the point of the post.
But I think I'm going to take the advice given here and do my part to kill this thread. It's in the wrong place and can be taken the wrong way. If you guys want to discuss it, that's on you, but I'm going to drop it. If Alla moves it, oh well. If they delete it, oh well. It'll be gone soon enough.
Oh, and to the people worried about my karma on the board: Don't be. Extroverts aren't extroverted because other people like them. That's just the way we are. Plenty of people don't like me, but that never stopped me from talking to them. And to the person who said that I "wouldn't be welcome" in the Asylum forum: I graduated from high school over ten years ago. Being outcast by a clique really doesn't bother me much anymore. I got involved in the forum system because I like people and I like talking to people, but the main reason I use Alla is because, in terms of RPG's, I couldn't find my a$$ with both hands, a flashlight and a sheriff's posse.
"We're living in a world where one of your major countries (Amurica) has decided to play god with an ambiguous, semi-existant group of people (teh-wrists) by way of slaughtering a whole bunch of innocent and non-related people (Muslims) completely at random."
I can't stand this administration either, but I don't like them for educated and well thought reasons. I stopped reading your post when I read this.
I can't stand this administration either, but I don't like them for educated and well thought reasons. I stopped reading your post when I read this.
For those of you that don't know me, I played FFXI on the PC for almost 2 years. I am the wife of an active duty marine in his 2nd enlistment and I served in the Navy reserves.
I actually enjoyed your post and your posting style. Now let me address each of your paragraphs.
This is why I suggest the Asylum. I think you shouldn't have too many problems posting there. You have a good style of writing and riana & I took the grenade.Sheep are in every forum :/
I'm not that smart but this is very eloquent.Too bad the servers were over in Japan. If they were located in the states perhaps there would be a more serious reaction to this form of "Cyberterrorism".
This is probably the climax of it all. Our own governmental institutions chose to ignore earlier signs of terorist attacks. DDOS attacks are, I agree, a form of Cyber Terrorism. What could happen next is hacked accounts and stolen credit/debit cards. Slow servers and an innability to login could be the least of our worries.
>.>
Right arguement, wrong forum. Then again at least these folks don't call you a CNUT and tell you to GFY without even reading one line. I think the issue is that people are in such a rush that they try to speed read and they miss out on the actual point of it all. This is long and witha short attention span assumptions are made. You didnt proclaim anything that this military wife and former sailor would take as being derogatory against the military or the president. (Ive already seen the Asylum post about how they want to kill the president *sigh*)
It's a witchunt. If you want to truly see people who are antimilitary go into the forum and view some of their threads about the war in Iraq. These are people who truly hate the military. You are just someone with a strong opinion and the ability to write above the standard level of comprehension. It's like Trying to read shakespear to 3 year olds. You arn't an antipatriot. These DDOS attacks have been happening for awhile and yes it is a form of cyberterrorism and with the amount of money SE makes off us they should be able to afford to kick some ***.
/em removes her gasmask & pouts
I am really REALLY sorry that happened. That is beyond crappy. I'm a Republican but I truly believe that by blocking anyones right to vote/express themselves that we are destroying our own freedom. I am so sorry.
You know, I'm actually getting teary eyed with anger. I posted a thread on the ASSYLUM (which of course got nuked, they love me) about how the Polling stations in Iraq are being attacked & bombed but here we are in our own damn "Free" country and you've got a bunch of psychotics harming a woman, much less a MOTHER because she doesn't buy into their political beliefs.
I't conservative. I can see why you are so uncomfortable. The worst Ive ever heard was "I hope your husbands dies in Iraq"
Don't give up chippie.
I just wanted to be sure you would be able to express yourself on the other board without being verbally abused by those Assylum chumps. Notice the locked thread ^^
I'm actually half tempted to reopen my whm account to help you. I'll talk it over with the hubby and see. If you have any questions speak with Dub or Booger, theyve been around as long as me (but didnt quit lol)
I didn't say you wouldn't be welcome just that it is supposed to be the more mature forum but really it's just a collection of schoolyard bullies.
Edited, Sat Oct 15 21:58:42 2005 by niobia
I actually enjoyed your post and your posting style. Now let me address each of your paragraphs.
Khateria wrote:
To be honest, the whole thing was meant to be slightly tongue-in-cheek. The disclaimer was an attempt to keep people who actually had a viewpoint or an opinion or something to add from having to scroll through twenty or thirty posts of screaming groupthink from people who didn't bother to actually read it, can't appreciate mild sarcasm and would just be buttcheeks about the whole thing because somebody had the gall to maybe hint that they don't exactly lurve George Bush or his war.
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My post wasn't about supporting the troops or democracy or even especially Republicans or George Bush. It was kind of a lark on how maybe doing things that appear to be cyberterrorism when you've got a massive, nuclear-capable country ready to pull the trigger on anyone they think is a terrorist may, at some point, have ramifications beyond irritating gamers. I didn't want the thread to turn into the current political version of "Tastes Great-Less Filling".
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Is it likely that our government is going to give even one sh*t about this? Not very. Is it possible that if the right person on the right day at the right time decides that it's cyberterrorism and that "something" needs to be done about it, that the absolute worst case scenario could evolve out of something as stupid as DDoS attacks on Final Fantasy servers?
This is probably the climax of it all. Our own governmental institutions chose to ignore earlier signs of terorist attacks. DDOS attacks are, I agree, a form of Cyber Terrorism. What could happen next is hacked accounts and stolen credit/debit cards. Slow servers and an innability to login could be the least of our worries.
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Yes. Purple flying dinosaurs on Venus is possible. Anything is possible.
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I would have assumed that the utter improbability of the occurrance would have been enough to make intelligent people understand the argument as being facetious, and that alone makes it not worth having to put up with the kind of people who would start calling people terrorists and telling them that if they don't like war, they hate America.
Right arguement, wrong forum. Then again at least these folks don't call you a CNUT and tell you to GFY without even reading one line. I think the issue is that people are in such a rush that they try to speed read and they miss out on the actual point of it all. This is long and witha short attention span assumptions are made. You didnt proclaim anything that this military wife and former sailor would take as being derogatory against the military or the president. (Ive already seen the Asylum post about how they want to kill the president *sigh*)
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My personal feelings about kinds of people who do do that, however, stand, and judging from the responses in the thread, I've either preempted those people entirely or they're just not here (which would be wonderful). Disagreeing with me is one thing (if I didn't expect and welcome honest disagreement, I wouldn't have opened my mouth), but needlessly doing harm to others who have done nothing but civilly disagree with you by accusing them of being traitors and saying they should be executed (Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, and Ann Coulter have all said something to this effect at one point or another) is entirely unnecessary, and I didn't want it to happen here.
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You have to admit, if this thread were full of capitalized comments about the Democratic Party should be rounded up and gassed, it would be much worse than anything I've said.
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But I guess part of the problem is that people just don't know where I'm coming from. In the last election, at my polling place, the conservative majority where I was living then attempted to block registered Democrats from entering the building. I had to physically fight in order to vote (with an infant in my arms, no less).
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People would go through town at night and break the windows out of cars that had Kerry bumper stickers on them. At my job, I would be physically threatened by customers if I didn't absolutely and sincerely agree with them that 1) God wants George Bush to be president, and 2) God directed George Bush to wage war against the Iraqi people. After the second election, I knew for a fact that I was going to have to move in order to keep my family from being harmed by these people, and I did.
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So no, I don't like conservatives all that much. Frankly, the kind of conservatives I've had the most exposure to aren't very likeable. But that wasn't the point of the post.
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But I think I'm going to take the advice given here and do my part to kill this thread. It's in the wrong place and can be taken the wrong way. If you guys want to discuss it, that's on you, but I'm going to drop it. If Alla moves it, oh well. If they delete it, oh well. It'll be gone soon enough.
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Oh, and to the people worried about my karma on the board: Don't be.
I just wanted to be sure you would be able to express yourself on the other board without being verbally abused by those Assylum chumps. Notice the locked thread ^^
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Extroverts aren't extroverted because other people like them. That's just the way we are. Plenty of people don't like me, but that never stopped me from talking to them. And to the person who said that I "wouldn't be welcome" in the Asylum forum: I graduated from high school over ten years ago. Being outcast by a clique really doesn't bother me much anymore. I got involved in the forum system because I like people and I like talking to people, but the main reason I use Alla is because, in terms of RPG's, I couldn't find my a$$ with both hands, a flashlight and a sheriff's posse.
I didn't say you wouldn't be welcome just that it is supposed to be the more mature forum but really it's just a collection of schoolyard bullies.
Edited, Sat Oct 15 21:58:42 2005 by niobia
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