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#1 Oct 15 2005 at 12:39 AM Rating: Good
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Fistful of Fury is a very extensive quest that has one maddening flaw: the fact that Morbolger appears only once a day. What were the designers at S-E thinking when they decided a needed item could only be acquired by one person per day? I can understand limiting HNMs like Fafnir or Simurgh to 1 appearance per day. Goodness knows Rolanberry Fields would be a chaotic walk if Simurgh were allowed to roam freely throughout the day (the gobs and Quadavs are bad enough). However, Morbolger holds 1/3 of the items needed to complete a quest and, as it stands, is the source of a lot of frustration and stress for many players.

What I would like to see is the appearance time for Morbolger adjusted to once per hour or 2 hours. This would be fair to players on either side of the Pacific and Atlantic as it would appear in the peak times of all regions and make gathering the necessary items far less stressful.

How this would impact the price of Brown Belts is of little concern to me. I can make money through much more fruitful avenues as a Ranger and have little interest in leveling Monk at the moment. Completing a quest, though, really should not require camping against 15-20 people every day for a lvl 42 NM.
#2 Oct 15 2005 at 12:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Would be nice if Shikigami wasn't a 20hr spawn too.

Actually, SE did give you an alternative, which is the KS30 Contaminated Colosseum. Granted, getting the right jobs together to do it is quite a task too...
#3 Oct 15 2005 at 1:00 AM Rating: Default
Just making the vine 100% drop would be enough.
#4 Oct 15 2005 at 1:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Vine is 100% from Morbolger, so I really don't understand why the OP is complaining. Considering that this belt is endgame for the marjority of mnks in FFXI because most won't come close to sniffing a black belt...and if you're complaining about a single 21-24 spawn NM with 100% drop, think about 3 21-24 NMs with low drop rates and heavily botted...err camped. Or the 3 to 8 day NM with 100% drop...but again heavily "camped". Of course, you can always get it from KS99, except those are harder than the kings themselves.

So basically...if you can't hack it now, you might as well give up on ever getting black belt.
#5 Oct 15 2005 at 1:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Try to get some of your SMN friends to do KS30 against Evil Oscar. A good party can handle it easily with a leech tagging along, and the vine is a 100% drop. Or you can try camping the BC and offer to pay anyone doing this to let you lot the vine drop (this obviously might take a while!)
#6 Oct 15 2005 at 1:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Morlborger isn't usually a problem on Ragnarok. After server maintance and for a few days after he's heavily camped, because (unlike most NMs) he is ALWAYS up before anyone can login. So you have a chance then and a firm ToD. After that people usually just afk there with little competition.

Morlborger is a 21-24hour pop with 100% drop rate (as several people have noted). That's easily comparable to Nue or Deadly Dodo, who are 1-3hour lottery pops and have crappy/very random drop rates. It's not unusual to go 1/10 on either of these guys. Morlborger is a one shot deal at least.
#7 Oct 15 2005 at 1:38 AM Rating: Decent
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I just did this quest. It's not supposed to be easy, that's the point. I went 1/1 on Dodo after camping for about 30 minutes. 1/2 on Nue for a total of about 2.5 hours. I went 2/2 on Molborger (don't ask -_-;;) for a total camping time of 13.5 hours on his ***. It just depends on how bad you want it.
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#8 Oct 15 2005 at 2:21 AM Rating: Good
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It wouldn't be quite so bad if there were some way to estimate his TOD, so you're not sitting there for 30 hours straight...
#9 Oct 15 2005 at 2:28 AM Rating: Decent
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The region update comes up on the screen every hour. Wait until you see one come up, and go afk. Leave your comp on while your at work or asleep... when you come back, wait for another update to come up and count backwards. In between 2 of the tallys you will most likely see Molborger getting killed, therefore you can narrow it down to the hour he was killed in. I did that with Argus once.
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#10 Oct 15 2005 at 9:29 AM Rating: Decent
This is meant to be a difficult quest. I completed the Purple Belt quest with high level help and had the Brown Belt quest in my log for ages. One day while hunting Gobs in Sauromugue Champaign for a friend I just stumbled upon Deadly Dodo by pure chance going unclaimed. I claimed and got the drop so I was very lucky I suppose.

But that piece of luck gave me the incentive to get this quest finished. I then spent about 3 days (on and off of course) camping Nue. I eventually got the drop on the 7th claim, and I had hardly anyone competing with me while I was there. Just a few high levels running through to the tower every so often while I camped. As a side note I got the drop while Dark Weather was up. Perhaps this might help? None of my other claims had Dark Weather up at the time.

I haven't tried Morbolger yet... but I will get him! I will use the afk trick to get a good idea of his ToD and then go back and camp him as THF/BST. And woe betide any MNK who slaps me or stares at me because I'm not a MNK camping it!!! I have MNK at level 42 but that's way too low to take on Morbolger.... and BST Charm ability is needed to compete with all their Chi Blasts.
#11 Oct 15 2005 at 9:47 AM Rating: Good
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How to fix it:
White Belt > Rare/ex (Free)
Purple Belt > Rare/ex (Painfull Quest)
Brown Belt > Rare/ex (Extremly Painfull Quest)
Black Belt > Rare/ex(Already is) (Death in terms of Quest Difficulty)

Since its only Monk that can use these items, it should only be monks that can do it. The Belts show your ability in Martial Arts.
I dont see that in a 75 White Mage.
They should only be for career Monks.
#12 Oct 15 2005 at 10:02 AM Rating: Default
I disagree with the above poster in one respect. I can see where you are coming from, but to make the quest MNK only is going too far, although I can see the sense in making all the belts Rare/Ex. Personally I want the belt for my MNK 42 but it makes sense for me to go as THF 58 right now. I flatly refuse to pay the stupid price for this belt and so will quest it.

And besides.....we already have MNK only items and quests, along with every other job in the game. It's called AF gear.
#13 Oct 15 2005 at 10:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Making them rare/ex are making them Monk only.
And you can do quests with any job, even AF quests.

With rare/ex you dont see those lv75's that only want to sell the belt so they can get richer. Only monks that will use it.
#14 Oct 15 2005 at 12:49 PM Rating: Default
I have all 3 items for Black Belt, still can't get Molboger... if that doesn't show it's flawed I don't know what does.
#15 Oct 15 2005 at 1:04 PM Rating: Decent
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4 smns (if they know what they are doing) can safely and consistantly do the Contaminated Collusseum KS30 BC. The vine is a pretty common drop, see if you can get some friends together and do a few runs.
#16 Oct 15 2005 at 10:12 PM Rating: Default
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I did a couple of Contaminated Collusseum KSNMs to help a friend on my LS get the item. Unfortunately no drop but the fight itself was a lot of fun. We went in as 2 SMN, 1 RDM and a RNG and had no trouble winning.
#17 Oct 15 2005 at 10:40 PM Rating: Good
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Brown belt should definitely be Rare EX. There is nothing more frustrating to a monk than to be outpulled by paladins and whitemages who only want to sell the darn thing for gil.

I had all three items for black belt for my monk and had to follow that darn thing around the clock for the window for two weeks before i finally got claim on it while the rest of the people camping it were killing what they thought was it's placeholder (it doesn't have place holders, the other morlboro can be up and it'll pop anyway, i've seen it). I even went so far as to try to buy other people off for the vine if they got claim. I didnt care about the stupid belt, heck i bought my original brown belt off the AH. I wanted the black belt and i had to do brown belt first to get it.

It was easier getting black belt items than brown belt items by FAR. Mebbe im just lucky but I got the tongue and the beard within two hours of each other. I finally got my black belt but it still pisses me off when i see people who arent monks and have no intention of levelling it camping the thing. It'd be one thing if monks could sell the black belt, but they cant. Have some respect people. Monks dont even get to keep the freakin brown belt. They have to turn it in to get the black bel-- and guess what! THEY DONT GET IT BACK. There's a million ways to make gil in this game without being over level 40 to go and ruin someone else's chance at a dream item.
#18 Oct 16 2005 at 12:51 AM Rating: Default
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First of all, SE can't rare/ex items that are already in existence. They either can't or refuse to rare/ex items that people already have in their inventory, and that makes sense. If you have a brown belt up on AH while they rare/ex it, what happens to the item? It's just impossible.

Why do you think that, instead of rare/exing PCC/Leaping Boots/Emp Pin they made rare/ex alternatives and kept the other items in circulation?

Suffice to say, it's not so simple as merely rare/exing the belts themselves.

On that note, I too get frustrated while standing around waiting for Morbolger to pop so I can get my brown belt, and before he pops 20+ people show up and overcrowd the room, most of which either a) gilsellers b) players just wanting profit or c) entire endgame LSes helping a monk to get brown belt so he can go for his black belt.

The last one I don't mind, but that doesn't mean the insane overcrowding doesn't make it any less difficult or frustrating.

The only thing that confuses me is why Morbolger is on a 24 hour spawn time, while Nue and Deadly Dodo are just lottery/every few hours. Brown belt is supposed to be difficult, but christ, any time I figure out Morbo's spawn time I'm always competing with no less than 15 people for the claim.

Then again, we do have the incentive of the ******-inspiring black belt to fuel us career monks on so...i guess... we...have that going for us...? :/
#19 Oct 16 2005 at 1:52 AM Rating: Default
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How about you just have S-E send the brown belt to your delivery box?

I hate people who ***** because something is to hard or takes to long. If you cant get ToD for him or put effort to completing a tedious quest that is much worth it, tough ****. Go play WoW.
#20 Oct 16 2005 at 3:07 AM Rating: Default
I must repeat one thing I mentioned earlier: Please do not assume that any non Monk camping Morbolger is just after the belt to sell it.

Yes I agree.... some of them will be. But not all of them. My MNK is level 42 and when I go tto camp Morbolger it will be as 58 THF/BST. That's my highest job so it makes sense to fight the mob with THF. BST is there so I have a fast claim method with Charm. So am I gonna be frowned upon or slapped or whatever by MNKs when I do go to camp? If so then those people are very short sighted indeed!
#21 Oct 16 2005 at 4:50 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm a 41 mnk, 72 smn. I've actually managed to kill it once and got the drop. I'm not sure if I'd call it sadly, but I partied with a LS friend monk who were doing mnk as main currently (while I have mnk as 2nd to 3rd job planned to take to 75) so I let him have it. I'm just hoping I can once again have the luck to run into it.

And obviously I'm camping it as SMN if any job.
#22 Oct 16 2005 at 5:09 AM Rating: Default
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sabotendar wrote:
How to fix it:
White Belt > Rare/ex (Free)
Purple Belt > Rare/ex (Painfull Quest)
Brown Belt > Rare/ex (Extremly Painfull Quest)
Black Belt > Rare/ex(Already is) (Death in terms of Quest Difficulty)

Since its only Monk that can use these items, it should only be monks that can do it. The Belts show your ability in Martial Arts.
I dont see that in a 75 White Mage.
They should only be for career Monks.
I think it's too late in the game to change it like that, but I do agree that it should have been done along those lines.

The way I see it, since MNK get the White Belt instead of a weapon when starting out, they should've made the Brown Belt monks AF weapon. All AF weapons are in the low 40s, and some of them are exactly level 40. After getting the White Belt in place of in the first place, getting Brown Belt in place of a weapon for AF would've made perfect sence.
#23 Oct 16 2005 at 6:41 AM Rating: Decent
I agree that it would seem to make sense to have made the Brown Belt an AF quest item. But I think I know why SE decided not to go down this route.....

A lot of AF items are really just for show. Some items for some jobs are cool and can be used in EXP parties, but some items can easily be replaced at the same level with much better equipment. For example, how many MNKs actually use their AF knuckles? They suck! But of course you have to get them first to get the other AF items.

A belt cannot be seen on a character. Part of the incentive to get your AF items is that they make your character stand out a little. It's mainly an aesthetic appeal I believe, and a sort of statement to other players that you take your job seriously because you found the time/friends to get those items.
#24 Oct 16 2005 at 7:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Jedite wrote:
I have all 3 items for Black Belt, still can't get Molboger... if that doesn't show it's flawed I don't know what does.

Oh wow, maybe it is a little imbalanced...

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#25 Oct 16 2005 at 10:27 AM Rating: Default
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I did'nt see a retort posted, so to the guy that said that the vine is a 100% drop off morbolger, i say to you sir, bullsh*t!
The vine is not 100% drop, I and my friend had to kill him many times to get it to drop. We hunted him long enough to get one for each of us and had to kill him several times for each vine, worst experience I've ever had in this game.
#26 Oct 16 2005 at 11:53 AM Rating: Good
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Evil Oscar is not 100% drop on Morbolger Vine. About half the time you just get a normal Malboro Vine. Morbolger is 100% however. You are the first person I have ever seen on any forum who claims a non-100% drop rate on him. This tends to lead me to call BS.

Morbolger: takes forever to spawn.
Deadly Dodo: big spawn area.
Nue: horrible drop rate.

They each have their own difficulties. I wouldn't be surprised if Nue didn't cough up more than one fang per RL day either, his drop rate is really bad (though some people are lucky ...). Dodo skins probably come a few per day, but he's a lot harder to claim since he spawns in a big area.

Edited, Sun Oct 16 13:08:01 2005 by Vilurum
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