LOL such a bad photoshop job. http://photobucket.com/albums/b18...eal2jpg.jpg
Look at the top where you can see the screen cut off at the top of the chat box. It fades to black, also if you look at his HP bar it goes translucent towards the top of the display box, which means the chat box would also do that, it doesnt, because you cant photoshop tranlucency with the chat box and text inside it perfectly as the game does. This is OBVIOUSLY BS.
Also, if you look at the scroll bar for the chat box, you can see the copy and pasted boxes bleeding into the scroll bar. MEH.
Edited, Thu Aug 4 03:58:52 2005 by LexiconDevil
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Lexicon: That's the way I have my background chatbox set up. It does in fact go from opaque to partly transparent. Try setting your background that way yourself.
As for the scroll bar... See these two screenshots as well. http://quinsisdos.palgn.com.au/images/GM.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/Scribe-Ramuh/gmcall1.jpg
It's part of jpg compression.
Phoenix: I addressed that issue earlier in this thread. It has to do with the poster blowing up that part of the image rather than just zooming in. It does make a difference. Here's my explaination.
The pinking: I see you took your text samples from the 2nd picture. The pinker of the two lines of chat is from near the top of the image. The whiter one is from the bottom. The background setting for this person's chatlog is a gradient from a rich dark purple to a lighter paler one. The pink anomoly happens when you blow up the picture size and use bicubic or bilinear resampling. Whatever program you're using to edit the image is gathering color information from surrounding pixels and estimating what those pixels should look like. The dark rich purple background is influencing what the text looks like. If you are using photoshop you can tell it to use "nearest neighbor" in it's resampling and then you'll see text retains it's bright white value.
I maintain that there is still no evidence within the pictures themselves to suggest they are fake or doctored other than to convert them to jpg for webhosting. As for the content, I think people should decide for themselves, but the "proof" people in this thread have posted so far is false.
As for the scroll bar... See these two screenshots as well. http://quinsisdos.palgn.com.au/images/GM.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/Scribe-Ramuh/gmcall1.jpg
It's part of jpg compression.
Phoenix: I addressed that issue earlier in this thread. It has to do with the poster blowing up that part of the image rather than just zooming in. It does make a difference. Here's my explaination.
The pinking: I see you took your text samples from the 2nd picture. The pinker of the two lines of chat is from near the top of the image. The whiter one is from the bottom. The background setting for this person's chatlog is a gradient from a rich dark purple to a lighter paler one. The pink anomoly happens when you blow up the picture size and use bicubic or bilinear resampling. Whatever program you're using to edit the image is gathering color information from surrounding pixels and estimating what those pixels should look like. The dark rich purple background is influencing what the text looks like. If you are using photoshop you can tell it to use "nearest neighbor" in it's resampling and then you'll see text retains it's bright white value.
I maintain that there is still no evidence within the pictures themselves to suggest they are fake or doctored other than to convert them to jpg for webhosting. As for the content, I think people should decide for themselves, but the "proof" people in this thread have posted so far is false.
I'm on the PS2, and all my scroll bars have that weird crap going on with them. Noticed it a couple months ago. Those markings match up to various spots the scroll tab can be at on the bar. First came to my attention on my friends list.
Once again, not to beat a dead horse here, but this name shown in the pictures is a known scam artist on Bismarck. Please refer to posts by myself, Trizzoro, JoLOveS the Charming, and AlphaJew located at various points through-out this thread.
Once again, not to beat a dead horse here, but this name shown in the pictures is a known scam artist on Bismarck. Please refer to posts by myself, Trizzoro, JoLOveS the Charming, and AlphaJew located at various points through-out this thread.
The GM was not in his/her right to ask for that money from the person who recieved them. The person who the GM should have taken this matter up with is the one who fraudulently gained the funds to begin with. End of discussion. Any GM who involves 3rd parties who are not to blame in any form are not doing their job properly.
This trade was NOT against the TOS therefore the GM had no right to involve the trader. If the person had held onto the funds, he or she would've been held accountable anyway so I see no reason why this should've been any different.
This GM sucks.
This trade was NOT against the TOS therefore the GM had no right to involve the trader. If the person had held onto the funds, he or she would've been held accountable anyway so I see no reason why this should've been any different.
This GM sucks.
This guy was using his mule to commit the fraud. So, the GM DID take it up with the fraudulent one. Hence the coy use of the word "friend".
This reminds me of people who are "abducted by aliens" and show a birth-mark as proof.. Why do aliens allways go for the dumb people.
I call BS.. this makes no sence.
I call BS.. this makes no sence.
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Sorry if I offend anyone, but is anyone who's posting these new comments reading what was previously said?
Certain points have been refuted and others have not. If we're to have an actual discussion about this topic, we need to understand that and base our opinions while contemplating the validity of the previous statements.
And to the problem at hand, it is very difficult to prove something of this nature directly without having some doubt. That's why I'm going to make the assumption that this picture is indeed real.
First of all, if I'm assuming it is real, a certain situation must be provided that would qualify such action being taken by a GM. Considering the new ToS altercation, one could conclude that the problem described does indeed break the ToS.
Next, the GM must be justified in taking the money from the individual. There are two distinct possibilities at the current time;
1.)The person mentioned in the photographs was an innocent bystander and had his gil taken away due to the wrongdoing of others.
2.)The person mentioned was indeed involved with breaking the ToS.
I could easily see both points being argued at this under the current circumstances.
However, in light of new evidence, albeit hearsay, a connection has been made by two individuals saying that it is possible that the person in question did infact break the ToS.
This new information gives credence to the second possibility metnioned earlier, leading me to believe that the GM was indeed justified for taking action upon Jiraya.
Certain points have been refuted and others have not. If we're to have an actual discussion about this topic, we need to understand that and base our opinions while contemplating the validity of the previous statements.
And to the problem at hand, it is very difficult to prove something of this nature directly without having some doubt. That's why I'm going to make the assumption that this picture is indeed real.
First of all, if I'm assuming it is real, a certain situation must be provided that would qualify such action being taken by a GM. Considering the new ToS altercation, one could conclude that the problem described does indeed break the ToS.
Next, the GM must be justified in taking the money from the individual. There are two distinct possibilities at the current time;
1.)The person mentioned in the photographs was an innocent bystander and had his gil taken away due to the wrongdoing of others.
2.)The person mentioned was indeed involved with breaking the ToS.
I could easily see both points being argued at this under the current circumstances.
However, in light of new evidence, albeit hearsay, a connection has been made by two individuals saying that it is possible that the person in question did infact break the ToS.
This new information gives credence to the second possibility metnioned earlier, leading me to believe that the GM was indeed justified for taking action upon Jiraya.
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Jiraya is from Bismarck he was part of my LS a while back, maybe a year ago. He left the LS after we fought Simurgh and he got his Strider Boots. After a while he moved on to WoW and dragged a big chunck of the LS with him. After many months one by one the people that had left came back from WoW eventually leaving on their own accord or being booted.
Eventually Jiraya came back to the LS, and started using his mule and sending /tells to our members that he was one of our kinder member's mule. He tried to scam people off their gil and their items. No one actually believed him, but what this means is that he might have tried it with some one and the person he "Sold" the item to was actually his Mule. The GM caught him when he sent the gil to his main. I dont know if this is actully what happens, but knowing the type of dude Jiraya is I believe this what happened.
Eventually Jiraya came back to the LS, and started using his mule and sending /tells to our members that he was one of our kinder member's mule. He tried to scam people off their gil and their items. No one actually believed him, but what this means is that he might have tried it with some one and the person he "Sold" the item to was actually his Mule. The GM caught him when he sent the gil to his main. I dont know if this is actully what happens, but knowing the type of dude Jiraya is I believe this what happened.
The best information seems to be the above, not anything about the accuracy of the image and whether it might be photoshopped. Based on the comments of someone who knows the user against whom action was taken, it sounds like the user's in the habit of running scams, and possibly got caught in one. Hence the action taken against him. To my mind, this is the most informative post on the subject in this thread.
Players: Please GM's! Do something about the gil sellers!
GM's do something.
Players: WTH! What'd you do that for! The price on X item skyrocketed! Gilsellers are worse now!
Players: Please GM's! Do something about the MPK!
GM's do something.
Players: OMG! I just got banned for mpk'ing! I swear I didn't mean to! But they deserved it!
Bottom line folks, if you do something wrong in the game, doesn't matter what it is (as per ToS), you can have all your items/gil/armor/account taken from you.
It honestly doesn't even matter if this screenshot is for real. It just shows what *can* happen if you choose to break the rules.
GM's do something.
Players: WTH! What'd you do that for! The price on X item skyrocketed! Gilsellers are worse now!
Players: Please GM's! Do something about the MPK!
GM's do something.
Players: OMG! I just got banned for mpk'ing! I swear I didn't mean to! But they deserved it!
Bottom line folks, if you do something wrong in the game, doesn't matter what it is (as per ToS), you can have all your items/gil/armor/account taken from you.
It honestly doesn't even matter if this screenshot is for real. It just shows what *can* happen if you choose to break the rules.
Yes, this thread needs to die. but I jsut wanted to comment on something that HASN'T been addressed.
Those lines with the > in front of them is a menu that pops up using Azaril's windower. It pops up when you press the ~ key on your keyboard.
http://www.angelfire.com/blog2/aerwyn/stuff/
As you can see, the first 9 lines have the > in front of it, and the 10th has a $.
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As a previous poster has mentioned there is a pink hue at the top of the GMsteal2jpg picture, I have played around with some of the settings in Paint shop pro to try and bring out what was actually there.
Here is the result
users.bigpond.net.au/phoenixburn/pics/image3.jpg
Now i cant explain it but whatever was there is outside the log box (maybe a unchangable mistake by the creator so he tried to cover it up?).
Here is the result
users.bigpond.net.au/phoenixburn/pics/image3.jpg
Now i cant explain it but whatever was there is outside the log box (maybe a unchangable mistake by the creator so he tried to cover it up?).
Those lines with the > in front of them is a menu that pops up using Azaril's windower. It pops up when you press the ~ key on your keyboard.
http://www.angelfire.com/blog2/aerwyn/stuff/
As you can see, the first 9 lines have the > in front of it, and the 10th has a $.
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Phoenix: I addressed that issue earlier in this thread. It has to do with the poster blowing up that part of the image rather than just zooming in. It does make a difference. Here's my explaination.
The pinking: I see you took your text samples from the 2nd picture. The pinker of the two lines of chat is from near the top of the image. The whiter one is from the bottom. The background setting for this person's chatlog is a gradient from a rich dark purple to a lighter paler one. The pink anomoly happens when you blow up the picture size and use bicubic or bilinear resampling. Whatever program you're using to edit the image is gathering color information from surrounding pixels and estimating what those pixels should look like. The dark rich purple background is influencing what the text looks like. If you are using photoshop you can tell it to use "nearest neighbor" in it's resampling and then you'll see text retains it's bright white value.
The pinking: I see you took your text samples from the 2nd picture. The pinker of the two lines of chat is from near the top of the image. The whiter one is from the bottom. The background setting for this person's chatlog is a gradient from a rich dark purple to a lighter paler one. The pink anomoly happens when you blow up the picture size and use bicubic or bilinear resampling. Whatever program you're using to edit the image is gathering color information from surrounding pixels and estimating what those pixels should look like. The dark rich purple background is influencing what the text looks like. If you are using photoshop you can tell it to use "nearest neighbor" in it's resampling and then you'll see text retains it's bright white value.
I read your reply to the previous poster before i posted.
I am using paint shop pro as i said in my post, The image has these lines there even if the image is 1:1, Maybe you can show us your image with the right resampling where they dont exist?
- Why would a resampling method create characters out of thin air? (there are recognisable characters)
- Why is each line preceeded with a > character?
- The background is the same on all three images, why is it only the 2nd image that has this effect.
- The hidden text has a completely different line spacing to the white text, but it still is uniformly spaced.
Edit: The above poster has found the reason for the hidden text (good job), it has nothing to do with resampling.
Edit2: Question is why has it been blurred out of existance, I dont use windower, does the red text fade out?
The only way we can really find out if this actually happened is to try and contact this GM and see if this is actually happened.
But I doubt they will and give the usual "we cannot disclose that information" spiel, but im sure if it is doctored then im sure the GM would try and to clear his name.
Edited, Thu Aug 4 18:38:44 2005 by PhoenixBurn
Edited, Thu Aug 4 18:52:37 2005 by PhoenixBurn
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- Why would a resampling method create characters out of thin air? (there are recognisable characters)
- Why is each line preceeded with a > character?
- Why is each line preceeded with a > character?
If you clicked on the link I gave you, whcih shows a screenshot of my character witht he windower menu open, those two questions owuld be answerd as to why the characters "appear from thin air"
Edited, Thu Aug 4 18:38:29 2005 by Erawyn
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If you clicked on the link I gave you, whcih shows a screenshot of my character witht he windower menu open, those two questions owuld be answerd as to why the characters "appear from thin air"
You must have posted your message while i was typing mine ><
Thats exactly what the text is, excellent job on finding that.
I see on you image the red text is crisp, on the GMsteal image the text has been extremely blurred out.
Is that a function of windower or has it been doctored out the the GMsteal image?
He could've taken the SS as he was exiting the menu. When you hit the ~ key after opening the menu, the menu faeds out, which may explain the burriness. I'll see if I could get a good enough pic pf it up to better explain it.
Yunoh wrote:
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lol i find it hilarious that every shocking thing that has been posted on the forum in the past few weeks, even though numerous screenshots were provided in all instances, everybody responds "hoax" simply because it's shocking. People who refuse to accept evidence are strange individuals. Everybody always responds to stuff with "I'll believe it when I see a screenshot", but as has been proven here, that's not always true. It seems to me there are things people flat out refuse to believe no matter what, and it doesn't really make sense to me.
Think maybe that's because it's absurd and absolutely screams "Fake or we're not being told the whole story"?
But that's not what people are saying. They're saying it's fake and actually pointing out false instances of image alteration. It's very likely that we aren't being told the whole story
#192REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 04 2005 at 6:21 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) messed up hes getting someone elses punishment, i would raise hell ,fake or not never know they do ***** you.
Scholar
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Contrasted it some.
You can see azaril's windower console text. And it seems to be underneath the chat log. The windower's console text is always on top. It seems like he took a screenshot without the chatlog open and with the windower text. And then put the fake chatlog on top.
http://home.comcast.net/~aldyn/fake.jpg
I could be wrong. Just what I thought of it.
Edited, Fri Aug 5 20:12:11 2005 by Aldynx
You can see azaril's windower console text. And it seems to be underneath the chat log. The windower's console text is always on top. It seems like he took a screenshot without the chatlog open and with the windower text. And then put the fake chatlog on top.
http://home.comcast.net/~aldyn/fake.jpg
I could be wrong. Just what I thought of it.
Edited, Fri Aug 5 20:12:11 2005 by Aldynx
When you toggel the windower console off that text fades slowly away.
If he pasted a fake chatlog ontop of the "real" one the ">" wouldn't be faded outside the chatbox as well, which it is in that screenshot.
If he pasted a fake chatlog ontop of the "real" one the ">" wouldn't be faded outside the chatbox as well, which it is in that screenshot.
Scholar
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If that's the real chatlog and he had windower running, Then toggled the console off and the red text is fading away, (it is faded on the background) then it would be faded on top of the text also. It would make the white text slightly pink.
http://home.comcast.net/~aldyn/fake2.jpg
but the text is completely white (or hardly off -- not in the pink direction)
Edited, Fri Aug 5 21:04:26 2005 by Aldynx
http://home.comcast.net/~aldyn/fake2.jpg
but the text is completely white (or hardly off -- not in the pink direction)
Edited, Fri Aug 5 21:04:26 2005 by Aldynx
#196REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 06 2005 at 7:54 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok if that GM was to take gil why from you and not the player that ****** stole the gil.
That's because you cranked the contrast up to high heaven. Anything close to being white is pushed to white.
Sorry I don't have an image host to show this example to do, but here's what you can do to see where the windower text overlaps the chatlog. (This is assuming you're using photoshop)
Crop your image so you mostly just see that upper left corner of the text.
Use the magnifying glass and zoom in on the second "[GM] Jhanaka" Don't increase the image size, just zoom in. I have mine at 800%
Go to Image>Adjust>Replace Color
Use the eyedropper to select one of the slightly pink/purple pixels in the "[GM]" letters. Then use the +eyedropper to select all the others you see in that area.
Use these values:
Fuzziness 40
Hue +32
Saturation +100
Lightness -31
Click OK
Now view the image at around 300%. You can see all the pixels that are bright red or purple represent where the fading text was overlapping the white text of the chatlog. All we did was take all the pixels that were just slightly pink from white and made them easier for our eyes to see.
If you look at a screenshot of someone's windower menu you'll see these new bright purple pixels are consistent with where the windower menu appears.
I hope this helps some!
-Orange
Sorry I don't have an image host to show this example to do, but here's what you can do to see where the windower text overlaps the chatlog. (This is assuming you're using photoshop)
Crop your image so you mostly just see that upper left corner of the text.
Use the magnifying glass and zoom in on the second "[GM] Jhanaka" Don't increase the image size, just zoom in. I have mine at 800%
Go to Image>Adjust>Replace Color
Use the eyedropper to select one of the slightly pink/purple pixels in the "[GM]" letters. Then use the +eyedropper to select all the others you see in that area.
Use these values:
Fuzziness 40
Hue +32
Saturation +100
Lightness -31
Click OK
Now view the image at around 300%. You can see all the pixels that are bright red or purple represent where the fading text was overlapping the white text of the chatlog. All we did was take all the pixels that were just slightly pink from white and made them easier for our eyes to see.
If you look at a screenshot of someone's windower menu you'll see these new bright purple pixels are consistent with where the windower menu appears.
I hope this helps some!
-Orange
The GM did the RIGHT thing. I had 200k scammed from me because I won in a casino in jeuno and the guy left. I called a GM and they didnt do anything about it. Next time before they trade their friend or whatever make sure its not STOLEN! This is something that isnt right. NO ONE should go so low and steal someones gil. I worked my rear end off getting my gil and i ALMOST had enough for a astral for my whm! I would have had enough if I didnt get scammed for my 200k. This in turn hurts the people I party with more then me. I was going to use some of that money to buy spells and gear to support my PT. Looks like they are just going to have to deal with it. I TOTALLY agree with this GM for doing what he did.
You really should read all the posts. This never happened. I think its been determined that this is an obvious fake.
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no, the GM took him to another place. just like the movie thread on alla, they took a guy to the " GM Jail " for suspension. that is where they were doing the /say. then the /tell was wen he was at port jeuno at his HP
Taruinator, even if this wasn't fake, which it is, how could the guy making the trade possibly know that the gil he was receiving was stolen. Is he supposed to make the guy he is trading with tell him how he got the gil? Even then, do you think the thief would say he stole? Maybe you should think instead of coming here to whine about getting scammed by a casino.
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