If what happened with that GM was really true, he should have just took 1.9 Million from the thief and leave Jiraya alone or return his item and take the 1.9 Million back..
I don't believe a real Senior GM would do this, or at least not without refunding Jiraya, who by my judgement has done nothing wrong and shouldn't be punished for someone else his actions..
If this is real there's something seriously screwed up going on..
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I am surprise no one has noticed in the picture that Mazhar provided that the blue background of the GM print screen is different. If you look at his print screen, the lines are perfectly straight behind the text. If you look at the GM print screen, the lines behind the text are slanted enough to tell it is not the original chat box.
You can check that out here:
http://alexander.triumphws.com/filer/fake.jpg
Also if you look at the scroll bar in this picture:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b185/Jirayaa/?action=view¤t=GMsteal2jpg.jpg
You notice at the bottom of the scroll bar there is a graphical error. There is a few nicks in it.
All together as a whole, when you look at that previous picture, you can just tell the text is misaligned.
I believe this is fake.
But I also believe a situation possibly happened that angered this player into doing something like this. After all, every good lie has some sort of truth it is based on. So I believe that something might have happened ( although not as extreme ) and this teenager is taking it to a new extreme thinking that his grand plan is going to get the GM fired.
Remember we were all teens? We though our actions would effect the entire world. He doesn't yet understand that what he did, Square-Enix is not even going to look twice at.
Edited, Tue Aug 2 10:59:00 2005 by naycosports
You can check that out here:
http://alexander.triumphws.com/filer/fake.jpg
Also if you look at the scroll bar in this picture:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b185/Jirayaa/?action=view¤t=GMsteal2jpg.jpg
You notice at the bottom of the scroll bar there is a graphical error. There is a few nicks in it.
All together as a whole, when you look at that previous picture, you can just tell the text is misaligned.
I believe this is fake.
But I also believe a situation possibly happened that angered this player into doing something like this. After all, every good lie has some sort of truth it is based on. So I believe that something might have happened ( although not as extreme ) and this teenager is taking it to a new extreme thinking that his grand plan is going to get the GM fired.
Remember we were all teens? We though our actions would effect the entire world. He doesn't yet understand that what he did, Square-Enix is not even going to look twice at.
Edited, Tue Aug 2 10:59:00 2005 by naycosports
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lol, thats really ****** up, theres really nothing to do though, if a GM did this and you talked to another GM im sure they would have the same attitude, the person who gave him the money would propably avoid the person who sold the item, etc. this guy has got no options, hes screwed out of 1.9mill, and thats freakin sick. he work hard for the money, and it gets so easily snatched away, he wouldnt have even known if the GM didnt tell him he was taking it. The GM has no right to do that. He should be punihsing the one who stole it, not the one who honestly earned the money.
"Hey look at me, I'm a GM and instead of punishing the guilty party im gonna punish someone whoe is innocent and has no freakin clue whats going on!!"
Nice move POL, your GM's are a bunch'a ********
"Hey look at me, I'm a GM and instead of punishing the guilty party im gonna punish someone whoe is innocent and has no freakin clue whats going on!!"
Nice move POL, your GM's are a bunch'a ********
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I can explain that one.
Say this was actually 1.9 million dollars. You sell something to someone, they give you the cash, you give them the item, and part ways.
Now immediately after doing so, someone swoops in, busts you for receipt of stolen goods (the cash) and says that it needs to be confiscated immediately. Are you thinking more of the person you just did business with, the item you sold, or the fact that you just had 1.9 million dollars yanked from you for a crime you could have very little knowledge of commiting.
I know I would first be concerned about getting the money back, as I had no logical way of knowing it was stolen. That is what we see here. As an afterthought, or part of the calming process, one might think to getting the trade item back instead.
Say this was actually 1.9 million dollars. You sell something to someone, they give you the cash, you give them the item, and part ways.
Now immediately after doing so, someone swoops in, busts you for receipt of stolen goods (the cash) and says that it needs to be confiscated immediately. Are you thinking more of the person you just did business with, the item you sold, or the fact that you just had 1.9 million dollars yanked from you for a crime you could have very little knowledge of commiting.
I know I would first be concerned about getting the money back, as I had no logical way of knowing it was stolen. That is what we see here. As an afterthought, or part of the calming process, one might think to getting the trade item back instead.
If I was pulled into the police station (which he was, pulled into GM Jail) and the officer on duty tells me that the money I was paid is stolen from the bank down the street (let say), they caught the person who bought my item and he is the one who rob the bank. Guess what I would do? I would give back the money and I would want my item back. Simple as that.
He know the money is stolen, the GM told him/her. He knows the GM have scanned the logs. He knows he been cheated by his *friend* not the GM. So there is no doe-eye innocence.
Either way, in this country it is at your peril to buy stolen goods or accept stolen money. The only difference is if you didn't know ahead of time, you might not be put on charges. If you knew something is "hot" and you still bought it? It is illegal. I personally don't see anything wrong with what the GM did - if the picture is real. What I don't agree is that the GM didn't return his item.
Also there is no telling he isn't working with his friend. "Here I'll trade you a Stack of Rock Salt for 1.9 million gil... hurry up and use it up, so we won't be caught."
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There are strange discolorations that are not explained by compression and are not consistant between the images. The same text box over the same background should compress the same way, the colours haven't changed. Even with this extensive pixellation (which is spread a LOT further than it should be, considering the background offers a two-tone line background most compression software would obey beyond a few pixels) there should be a level of consistancy from image to image. Blowing up the images to 800 percent and comparing the same areas, the background has color shifts that just don't appear on their own, in areas not consistant from image to image.
I work with digital art on a regular basis. In my experience, even the lossiest JPG compression methods should not cause a red-shift in small areas of a picture with hardly any red values. I've seen plenty of 'pinking' on screenshots with lots of tells, due to the strong value of the tell colour, but the shots with tells here have far LESS red-shifting than the shot without.
I really can't believe this is genuine.
Edit: Uploaded pics to illustrate (need to be viewed full-size)
http://photobucket.com/albums/b10...p;full=true
http://photobucket.com/albums/b10...p;full=true
Sidescroll and see how the distortions are inconsistant throughout the line.
I work with digital art on a regular basis. In my experience, even the lossiest JPG compression methods should not cause a red-shift in small areas of a picture with hardly any red values. I've seen plenty of 'pinking' on screenshots with lots of tells, due to the strong value of the tell colour, but the shots with tells here have far LESS red-shifting than the shot without.
I really can't believe this is genuine.
Edit: Uploaded pics to illustrate (need to be viewed full-size)
http://photobucket.com/albums/b10...p;full=true
http://photobucket.com/albums/b10...p;full=true
Sidescroll and see how the distortions are inconsistant throughout the line.
I commend you on your detective work!
However... (hehe)
The pinking: I see you took your text samples from the 2nd picture. The pinker of the two lines of chat is from near the top of the image. The whiter one is from the bottom. The background setting for this person's chatlog is a gradient from a rich dark purple to a lighter paler one. The pink anomoly happens when you blow up the picture size and use bicubic or bilinear resampling. Whatever program you're using to edit the image is gathering color information from surrounding pixels and estimating what those pixels should look like. The dark rich purple background is influencing what the text looks like. If you are using photoshop you can tell it to use "nearest neighbor" in it's resampling and then you'll see text retains it's bright white value.
I don't have an image host of my own, would you mind showing that example and posting it here?
As for the hue shift.
http://quinsisdos.palgn.com.au/images/GM.jpg
Here's an innocent screenshot of someone calling a GM to get them unstuck. I found it by searching for FFXI GM on google. If you zoom in on the line where the stuck person says only "?" you'll see that same anomoly there. It doesn't mean the image was doctored.
I'm not saying this isn't a sham, but I your evidence doesn't have me convinced. I too work with digital art on a regular basis. (It's my job :D) A noble effort though! I'll rate you up for your effort!
You know what's funny? The guy whom the money was stolen from could post a thread about hwo a GM didn't do anything, if this hadn't happened.
Get a clue. Seriously. You think this GM just decided to inconvenience somebody? No. He was helping somebody else. How many threads have I had to see where it's "zomg my gilz were stoled and GM didn't help mes!". Want to know why? Because of this. A GM does something, everyone ********
Everyone wanted GMs to ban gilsellers. Then, people who camped NMs hour after hour after hour daily would complain about GMs checking up on them. Somebody complains to a GM, and if the GM does something, the other person complains.
Hey, here's an idea. Why don't you take up your issues with the people who start the problem? The guy who stole the gil created the situation, not the GM. The guy who took the screens wasn't a victim of the GM, he was a victim of his "friend" he had traded with.
Stop ******** about people who are doing their jobs. You complain about SE Customer Service if you can't log in; they don't control the servers. You complain about them if you have software issues; but they didn't ***** up your computer. And you complain about GMs if they can't help you in one situation and help somebody else in another; they didn't start the problem.
Get a clue. Seriously. You think this GM just decided to inconvenience somebody? No. He was helping somebody else. How many threads have I had to see where it's "zomg my gilz were stoled and GM didn't help mes!". Want to know why? Because of this. A GM does something, everyone ********
Everyone wanted GMs to ban gilsellers. Then, people who camped NMs hour after hour after hour daily would complain about GMs checking up on them. Somebody complains to a GM, and if the GM does something, the other person complains.
Hey, here's an idea. Why don't you take up your issues with the people who start the problem? The guy who stole the gil created the situation, not the GM. The guy who took the screens wasn't a victim of the GM, he was a victim of his "friend" he had traded with.
Stop ******** about people who are doing their jobs. You complain about SE Customer Service if you can't log in; they don't control the servers. You complain about them if you have software issues; but they didn't ***** up your computer. And you complain about GMs if they can't help you in one situation and help somebody else in another; they didn't start the problem.
I'm calling BS on this.
This from rules of conduct:
In addition, all records of those players in question will be thoroughly reviewed, and all items and gil obtained through such acts will be confiscated.
Nowhere in the above sentence does it state that the confiscated items/gil will be returned to the scammed players, it just states that those items will be confiscated.
Since it also states in a different area of the user agreement that GM's cannot replace items/gil that you have lost, it's obvious this was faked up to get the community in an uproar.
This from rules of conduct:
In addition, all records of those players in question will be thoroughly reviewed, and all items and gil obtained through such acts will be confiscated.
Nowhere in the above sentence does it state that the confiscated items/gil will be returned to the scammed players, it just states that those items will be confiscated.
Since it also states in a different area of the user agreement that GM's cannot replace items/gil that you have lost, it's obvious this was faked up to get the community in an uproar.
I know SE was trying to get money out of the economy... but this is ridiculous ! O.o
As far as GM spelling and grammar goes, you really can't generalize. They're a mixed bag, some good, some bad. I've only personally talked to a GM on one occasion, and to me it seemed as if he was foreign. His english seemed very unnatural, and he made a few spelling and grammar mistakes.
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i just got off the phone with my friend who is training to be a police officer, he used to play ffxi, but hey, he doesnt have time anymore. he told me that this is how all situations with stolen merchandise are handled, its the persons fault for being dumb enough to take stolen money, its just how the us system is, and i guess the vana diel system too, i will admit its dumb *** ****, and how could this person have known the money was stolen, he seems to have no idea, and he said the person he sold the item to wasnt his friend, and who knows this could be a copy and paste adobe photoshop job, ive seen EQ conversations made up like that, and this could be one of those things. again idk.
They say this is how it works in the us and i have one thing to say, The US justice System Fails Again!
They say this is how it works in the us and i have one thing to say, The US justice System Fails Again!
JamesX wrote:
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Either way, in this country it is at your peril to buy stolen goods or accept stolen money. The only difference is if you didn't know ahead of time, you might not be put on charges. If you knew something is "hot" and you still bought it? It is illegal. I personally don't see anything wrong with what the GM did - if the picture is real. What I don't agree is that the GM didn't return his item.
Either way, in this country it is at your peril to buy stolen goods or accept stolen money. The only difference is if you didn't know ahead of time, you might not be put on charges. If you knew something is "hot" and you still bought it? It is illegal. I personally don't see anything wrong with what the GM did - if the picture is real. What I don't agree is that the GM didn't return his item.
You cant use real world analogies in this particular case the reason why its tough luck if the police catch you and take stolen goods you've legitmately bought is because you can't just magically create more, which you can in FFXI, if you buy a car and its stolen someone will have to pay the X thousands of pounds / dollars / yen / whatever to create a new one, if someone steals 1.9 mil gil from another player, then buys, i dunno a Byrnie from another player for 1.9 mil the GM could quite easily take the 1.9 mil from the innocent player, create a byrnie in his inv. take the byrnie from the theif, leaving them with nothing and return the 1.9 mil to the player it was stolen off, stolen goods in a virtual environment can not be easily equated to real life perils of accidentally purchasing a stolen item because virtual items can be created and destroyed at the game owners whim.
For the record this is one of two things:
1) Complete BS.
2) The guy was in collusion with the theif trying to hide the "gil trail" for the inevitable report.
Ash
Am I the only one who is thinking more about the thief than the victim? First of all, if the person who stole the cash actually did steal the cash, he would have been told about it before the GMs swooped down and confiscated this guys money.
Really, let's play it out. Let's say the person who was actually accused of stealing did steal it. I would figure this would be from BCNM or something of the sort, where theft is actually possible, but many other scams could have been used. The thief stole the money, then decided to buy this 1.9 million dollar item.
If this was a scam, why didn't anyone get booted? I really doubt the GMs would condone this kind of theft. The thief would have been booted, and the GM would NEVER tell the victim to go get the item he sold back by himself.
Someone would have gotten booted for that one.
It's fake, the story doesn't hold well enough.
Really, let's play it out. Let's say the person who was actually accused of stealing did steal it. I would figure this would be from BCNM or something of the sort, where theft is actually possible, but many other scams could have been used. The thief stole the money, then decided to buy this 1.9 million dollar item.
If this was a scam, why didn't anyone get booted? I really doubt the GMs would condone this kind of theft. The thief would have been booted, and the GM would NEVER tell the victim to go get the item he sold back by himself.
Someone would have gotten booted for that one.
It's fake, the story doesn't hold well enough.
Scholar
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Well if the taru in the background is whom I think it is, he's on Bismarck. Just ask someone from Bismarck to bug the guy :p I quit, eitherwise I'd do it.
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If this was a scam, why didn't anyone get booted? I really doubt the GMs would condone this kind of theft. The thief would have been booted, and the GM would NEVER tell the victim to go get the item he sold back by himself.
Someone would have gotten booted for that one.
It's fake, the story doesn't hold well enough.
Someone would have gotten booted for that one.
It's fake, the story doesn't hold well enough.
Theres no evidence to say what happened to the thief. He could have been put in GM jail or even banned for all we know.
Story or not, I checked the grain size of the photo in my photo-editing program (corel). It's fake.
Allow me to show some examples, so that we can all put this to rest:
This image is taken from my computer, notice the lack of grain and noise around the text.
This one is a blown-up version of the text taken from the 'converted' JPG in Photobucket. Notice the huge amount of noise around the text.
This picture is most definitely a fake, and a very good one at that. As far as literary evidence, the terms of service state that the items, if fraudulently obtained, would be confiscated. Why would a senior GM confiscate the player's gil and give it back to the original player, but not return his item to him? The item was obtained through fraudulent methods.
Some food for thought. Don't jump all over GMs just yet people.
Allow me to show some examples, so that we can all put this to rest:
This image is taken from my computer, notice the lack of grain and noise around the text.
This one is a blown-up version of the text taken from the 'converted' JPG in Photobucket. Notice the huge amount of noise around the text.
This picture is most definitely a fake, and a very good one at that. As far as literary evidence, the terms of service state that the items, if fraudulently obtained, would be confiscated. Why would a senior GM confiscate the player's gil and give it back to the original player, but not return his item to him? The item was obtained through fraudulent methods.
Some food for thought. Don't jump all over GMs just yet people.
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Gil is not real. It is just a number. SE could program 200 million gil for everyone of us in the game if they so chose to. They won't of course. :P
Now, since we have gotten that cleared up, how can it be "stolen" in the first place? If what was said is true in the screenshots, and the player did in fact trade an item for that gil, then it is HIS (or her) gil. It is not "stolen". A fair trade was made and gil was given. The GM had no right to take imaginary currency away from this player (according to the screenshots) and NOT give the (imaginary)item back to him or her. Either the player was involved in a "scam" of sorts, or the GM was wrong with his or her logic.
I would have gotten even more angry than the person in the screenshot did. That is why I believe the player was actually guilty of something, because of the lack of anger over losing 1.9mil. :P (or perhaps he or she is really (imaginary)rich..)
please see my sarcasm
Gil is not real. It is just a number. SE could program 200 million gil for everyone of us in the game if they so chose to. They won't of course. :P
Now, since we have gotten that cleared up, how can it be "stolen" in the first place? If what was said is true in the screenshots, and the player did in fact trade an item for that gil, then it is HIS (or her) gil. It is not "stolen". A fair trade was made and gil was given. The GM had no right to take imaginary currency away from this player (according to the screenshots) and NOT give the (imaginary)item back to him or her. Either the player was involved in a "scam" of sorts, or the GM was wrong with his or her logic.
I would have gotten even more angry than the person in the screenshot did. That is why I believe the player was actually guilty of something, because of the lack of anger over losing 1.9mil. :P (or perhaps he or she is really (imaginary)rich..)
please see my sarcasm
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I don't believe it for a minute.
For one thing, there are misspellings and bad grammar all the way through the supposed GM text. No gaming company hires GMs who can't use proper grammar and spelling, just as no TV news network hires anchors who can't speak clear standard English.
For another, GMs cannot trace how gil was acquired; if they could, there would be no gilsellers or gilbuyers or scammers. Speaking of scammers, how many reports have you seen of someone who'd been scammed being told by a GM, "I'm sorry, there's nothing we can do to return your items or gil?" Why would the company have a policy of not taking items and/or gil from scammers and restoring them to their rightful owners then turn around and go against that policy in this individual instance?
Also, why would a GM shake players down for gil/items? It's not as though they need it for anything. What're they going to do, buy a Justice Sword +1 with it?
The person posting this is either attention-starved or is a scammer himself trying to get the mysterious "item" back from someone who'd bought it fair and square. The fact that the item is never given a name also strikes me as very strange.
I call BS.
For one thing, there are misspellings and bad grammar all the way through the supposed GM text. No gaming company hires GMs who can't use proper grammar and spelling, just as no TV news network hires anchors who can't speak clear standard English.
For another, GMs cannot trace how gil was acquired; if they could, there would be no gilsellers or gilbuyers or scammers. Speaking of scammers, how many reports have you seen of someone who'd been scammed being told by a GM, "I'm sorry, there's nothing we can do to return your items or gil?" Why would the company have a policy of not taking items and/or gil from scammers and restoring them to their rightful owners then turn around and go against that policy in this individual instance?
Also, why would a GM shake players down for gil/items? It's not as though they need it for anything. What're they going to do, buy a Justice Sword +1 with it?
The person posting this is either attention-starved or is a scammer himself trying to get the mysterious "item" back from someone who'd bought it fair and square. The fact that the item is never given a name also strikes me as very strange.
I call BS.
It's very strange, but just so you know, GM's aren't all knowing. I met a very nice GM, musta been his first day or something, but he did not know what Ballista Points were. We got through the convo, but he also had bad spelling and grammar. They must type really fast.
My most recent call, the GM used horrible grammar and spelling, abbreviating you to u, and putting space inbetween words.
Not going into the specifics of the images, etc... I did want to point out a way that this could make some sense under the new ToS.
We have...
Player A: Put out the original GM call
Player B: Person who paid 1.9million gil for item
Player C: Seller of item
Player A and B had some arrangement involving an item (could be a BCNM drop, could be a trade). For example: A trade for a Scorp Harness for so much gil. Player B does the item swap trick (putting another item that looks identical) and Player A completes trade without noticing until after the fact. Puts in GM Call
Player B then sets up trade with Player C, using the money he obtained from Player A to buy item from Player C.
GM arrives, checks the logs and sees what was promised and what was traded, goes after Player B. Player B has in the meantime gotten rid of all his gil or items already. GM can't confiscate anything from him. He likely began investigating the trail of gil and found something in chatlogs or that that indicated what had happened. He then confiscated the gil from Player C to return to Player A.
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Before we jump to any conclusions, I'm going to presume that the GM did investigate the 'paper' trail (maybe another GM and they called in a Senior GM). I'm going to bet there is enough evidence that Player B and Player C have either done this before (via chatlogs, etc) or that Player C may actually have access to Player B's account (not too hard to do, even with separate billing addresses/credit cards. Think college roommates or buddies). The players in question figured this is a way to avoid the new TOS, by ensuring the 'thief' player didn't have any gil or items on their person. What they didn't expect is that the GM's would follow the 'money' and take appropriate measures.
In summary, even if the pictures themselves are faked, this is completely legitimate within the updated TOS/Code of Conduct. But I think you only have to be concerned if you are knowingly doing this (and since the player themselves didn't name the item in question, my suspicion that if this is real, they were well aware of the scam that was going on).
-Tenzai
We have...
Player A: Put out the original GM call
Player B: Person who paid 1.9million gil for item
Player C: Seller of item
Player A and B had some arrangement involving an item (could be a BCNM drop, could be a trade). For example: A trade for a Scorp Harness for so much gil. Player B does the item swap trick (putting another item that looks identical) and Player A completes trade without noticing until after the fact. Puts in GM Call
Player B then sets up trade with Player C, using the money he obtained from Player A to buy item from Player C.
GM arrives, checks the logs and sees what was promised and what was traded, goes after Player B. Player B has in the meantime gotten rid of all his gil or items already. GM can't confiscate anything from him. He likely began investigating the trail of gil and found something in chatlogs or that that indicated what had happened. He then confiscated the gil from Player C to return to Player A.
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Before we jump to any conclusions, I'm going to presume that the GM did investigate the 'paper' trail (maybe another GM and they called in a Senior GM). I'm going to bet there is enough evidence that Player B and Player C have either done this before (via chatlogs, etc) or that Player C may actually have access to Player B's account (not too hard to do, even with separate billing addresses/credit cards. Think college roommates or buddies). The players in question figured this is a way to avoid the new TOS, by ensuring the 'thief' player didn't have any gil or items on their person. What they didn't expect is that the GM's would follow the 'money' and take appropriate measures.
In summary, even if the pictures themselves are faked, this is completely legitimate within the updated TOS/Code of Conduct. But I think you only have to be concerned if you are knowingly doing this (and since the player themselves didn't name the item in question, my suspicion that if this is real, they were well aware of the scam that was going on).
-Tenzai
kuronosan, the reason for that has already been explained in this thread. You don't have "noise" like the one in the photobucket .jpg because you and the person who took that SS most likely did not use the same compression method. As you can see at the top of the SS this person used "ABC Amber Image Converter Trial Version" You used Corel.
Also, you are not looking at a screenshot off this person's computer. You are looking at a jpg that was uploaded to a website that has a stamp at the top of it for image converter software. This person most likely uses an image capture program that saves SS as tiffs or bmps and wanted to make a jpg for smaller file size. jpgs are smaller then bmps and tiffs because they are compressed. When the person saved their image as a jpg the "noise" you see was created. There are different levels of jpg compression. Higher quality images will have few to no visible artifacts, but the file size will be larger.
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For your screenshot, you took a high quality file, blew it up, and then saved it. But the file you're comparing it to was already compressed (lower quality) when you began. Thus, the comparison is not valid. If you've proved these GM SS are fake, then you've also proved that these are fake as well http://quinsisdos.palgn.com.au/images/GM.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/Scribe-Ramuh/gmcall1.jpg
Do you beleive that?
I don't understand why people think the compression artifacts mean the picture is fake. If you don't know these occur naturally in jpgs, can you explain how their presence proves it's a fake? What part of making a fake screenshot would make the noise? I think you'd have to go out of your way to put them in.
Sorry for the little rant. Just... please, trust me on this. I'm not going to spout of my "credentials" (OMG LOLZ I'M A DOCTOR OF JPGS BBQ!!11!!), but I promise you this is not false information. Please take my word for it.
***Disclaimor: I am NOT saying this is a real GM conversation. I just haven't seen any evidence yet that proves they are fake. This applies to you as well naycosports. The graphical error you pointed out is part of the chat box being partly transparent. You can see it in this screenshot as well. That you're seeing is the light shades in the BLM's hat being enhanced by the edge of the window (look near the top) The nicks you point out are also present in this image. They're just artifacts, it's a fact of jpg compression. http://quinsisdos.palgn.com.au/images/GM.jpg
Here's another SS that shows the same anomolies http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/Scribe-Ramuh/gmcall1.jpg And if you zoom in, you will also see the incriminating noise everyone keeps talking about.
The best explaination so far is that it could be an /echo conversation.
Also, you are not looking at a screenshot off this person's computer. You are looking at a jpg that was uploaded to a website that has a stamp at the top of it for image converter software. This person most likely uses an image capture program that saves SS as tiffs or bmps and wanted to make a jpg for smaller file size. jpgs are smaller then bmps and tiffs because they are compressed. When the person saved their image as a jpg the "noise" you see was created. There are different levels of jpg compression. Higher quality images will have few to no visible artifacts, but the file size will be larger.
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For your screenshot, you took a high quality file, blew it up, and then saved it. But the file you're comparing it to was already compressed (lower quality) when you began. Thus, the comparison is not valid. If you've proved these GM SS are fake, then you've also proved that these are fake as well http://quinsisdos.palgn.com.au/images/GM.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/Scribe-Ramuh/gmcall1.jpg
Do you beleive that?
I don't understand why people think the compression artifacts mean the picture is fake. If you don't know these occur naturally in jpgs, can you explain how their presence proves it's a fake? What part of making a fake screenshot would make the noise? I think you'd have to go out of your way to put them in.
Sorry for the little rant. Just... please, trust me on this. I'm not going to spout of my "credentials" (OMG LOLZ I'M A DOCTOR OF JPGS BBQ!!11!!), but I promise you this is not false information. Please take my word for it.
***Disclaimor: I am NOT saying this is a real GM conversation. I just haven't seen any evidence yet that proves they are fake. This applies to you as well naycosports. The graphical error you pointed out is part of the chat box being partly transparent. You can see it in this screenshot as well. That you're seeing is the light shades in the BLM's hat being enhanced by the edge of the window (look near the top) The nicks you point out are also present in this image. They're just artifacts, it's a fact of jpg compression. http://quinsisdos.palgn.com.au/images/GM.jpg
Here's another SS that shows the same anomolies http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/Scribe-Ramuh/gmcall1.jpg And if you zoom in, you will also see the incriminating noise everyone keeps talking about.
The best explaination so far is that it could be an /echo conversation.
IMO this is as fake as Pam Anderson's ********
Well, as has been mentioned, it's incredibly easy to fake a conversation using Photoshop to alter the the color of /echo text.
Here's a screenshot I whipped up in about three minutes. I took it with FRAPS as bmp and then edited the color in photoshop, and finally saved it at a compression setting of 60. (if you zoom in, you'll see artifacting around the text)
Same bmp but saved at compression setting of 100 (I had to take only the chat due to photobucket's file size limit)
Finally here's a PNG of the two compression settings side by side
So note that the presence of artifacting has no real bearing on whether or not the screenshot is fake, and that it can be very easy to alter the colors. (of course, like I said, I took about 3 minutes to replace the colors, so it's not *flawless*)
Here's a screenshot I whipped up in about three minutes. I took it with FRAPS as bmp and then edited the color in photoshop, and finally saved it at a compression setting of 60. (if you zoom in, you'll see artifacting around the text)
Same bmp but saved at compression setting of 100 (I had to take only the chat due to photobucket's file size limit)
Finally here's a PNG of the two compression settings side by side
So note that the presence of artifacting has no real bearing on whether or not the screenshot is fake, and that it can be very easy to alter the colors. (of course, like I said, I took about 3 minutes to replace the colors, so it's not *flawless*)
Note to people "blowing up the image" :
make certain the method of enlargment you use doesn't alter the image details, and don't modify it in jpeg or save it as jpeg or other copressed formats. Preferable, you should be using a programs "zoom in" feature, and not doing ANY kind of resize.
I'm currently looking at this at x1000 magnification using Irfanview
make certain the method of enlargment you use doesn't alter the image details, and don't modify it in jpeg or save it as jpeg or other copressed formats. Preferable, you should be using a programs "zoom in" feature, and not doing ANY kind of resize.
I'm currently looking at this at x1000 magnification using Irfanview
Ok whether its true or not, some of you are defending the gms saying they they wouldnt do things like that.
Have you not realized that the GM's in this game are extremely stupid and incompetent.
I don't put anything past them. They are capable of doing anthing or nothing.
I have seen people scammed and told they can do nothing about it cause its not againsed the tos, yet this was after the changes were made in regards to scamming.
And lets give kudos to SE for taking 3 years to finally put something in ROC about scamming.
Have you not realized that the GM's in this game are extremely stupid and incompetent.
I don't put anything past them. They are capable of doing anthing or nothing.
I have seen people scammed and told they can do nothing about it cause its not againsed the tos, yet this was after the changes were made in regards to scamming.
And lets give kudos to SE for taking 3 years to finally put something in ROC about scamming.
Haha nice. If this is the Jiraya from the Bismarck server, he deserved everything he got I assure you (if this is legit). If you people knew this crook you'd all be laughing right now. ***** him and his crooked Kuwaity a[b][/b]ss.
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