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#302 Jul 25 2005 at 12:41 AM Rating: Decent
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When I went to the Rondeavous Point after the second attempt she did not level up


When your NPC levels you dont need to go to the R. point to find out. When your npc levels you will see the animation and everything, jyst like if anyone else levels. It's not something secret you have to check back on.
#303 Jul 25 2005 at 3:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Feoen click on the links in my post, it has lots of good info, including a pic of her actually levelign up..
#304 Jul 25 2005 at 3:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Been looking at this thread for a long while but have yet to post. I've been on five outings thus far with Pakurara (I think thats her name--Taru female).

On my previous four runs she hadn't leveled up. The first 3 I did as Shield type and the for the fourth and fifth I switched her over to Attacker.

Someone earlier had posted that their Healer-mode NPC had leveled after having cast Blindna. I thought that was interesting. I wondered if maybe the NPCs gained XP by performing actions on an NPC around their level (something akin to us skilling up healing magic or getting a weapon-skill up) instead of them actually getting XP like we do upon killing a monster.

On all my previous runs we had been fighting mobs and I had done a majority of the actual fighting, damage dealing, and killing. She had yet to level up. Or have the chance to do much of anything really.

On my fifth run we went out to Altepa and I decided to allow her to be more "involved" in the combat to see if it would make a difference. I did this by spending more time casting spells (I'm a 74 RDM) so that she'd have more time to fight and WS and such.

I cast Frost and Gravity so that she'd be more likely to hit. We did some minor SCs together. Stuff like that. Sure enough, she leveled no problem----actually within our first 2 fights. I thought it was strange that as soon as I went for this new tactic I saw results almost instantly.

If anyone else would like to test this I'd love to see some more information/testing. Hope this information helps somebody.
#305 Jul 25 2005 at 3:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Been looking at this thread for a long while but have yet to post. I've been on five outings thus far with Pakurara (I think thats her name--Taru female).

On my previous four runs she hadn't leveled up. The first 3 I did as Shield type and the for the fourth and fifth I switched her over to Attacker.

Someone earlier had posted that their Healer-mode NPC had leveled after having cast Blindna. I thought that was interesting. I wondered if maybe the NPCs gained XP by performing actions on an NPC around their level (something akin to us skilling up healing magic or getting a weapon-skill up) instead of them actually getting XP like we do upon killing a monster.

On all my previous runs we had been fighting mobs and I had done a majority of the actual fighting, damage dealing, and killing. She had yet to level up. Or have the chance to do much of anything really.

On my fifth run we went out to Altepa and I decided to allow her to be more "involved" in the combat to see if it would make a difference. I did this by spending more time casting spells (I'm a 74 RDM) so that she'd have more time to fight and WS and such.

I cast Frost and Gravity so that she'd be more likely to hit. We did some minor SCs together. Stuff like that. Sure enough, she leveled no problem----actually within our first 2 fights. I thought it was strange that as soon as I went for this new tactic I saw results almost instantly.

If anyone else would like to test this I'd love to see some more information/testing. Hope this information helps somebody.


This might be vital information.. i have had my NPC out about 7 times now... no level.. and ive even gained EXP with my blackmage fighting EP and DC... but i rarely give mine a chance to take hits or attack that much... but as a healer hes more involved in casting spells and buffs...

i wonder what would happen if i allowed only him to attack and kill the mob and i didnt touch it except for a spell or two.

good information to try.
#306 Jul 25 2005 at 3:51 AM Rating: Good
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Myrrial wrote:
Someone earlier had posted that their Healer-mode NPC had leveled after having cast Blindna. I thought that was interesting. I wondered if maybe the NPCs gained XP by performing actions on an NPC around their level (something akin to us skilling up healing magic or getting a weapon-skill up) instead of them actually getting XP like we do upon killing a monster.


I can confirm this. Mine just leveled while I was running to pull something, and then immediately after that was casting Aquaveil in the log.
#307 Jul 25 2005 at 4:19 AM Rating: Decent
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ok...

my NPC is level 34 so i know what im talking about ive watched her and i have a good idea on how the whole leveling thing goes

if you fight with you npc with a level below theres, they will not gain EXP and level, they will not gain any exp at all

If you fight with your npc on a job close or at there level they will gain exp but only by the same amout they would at that level, this can be verrrry slooooow

if you fight with your npc in a high level aera where the mobs would check IT to them they will gain exp accordingly, so if they fight lets say... a level 30 EXP mob that is IT they would gain that amount of exp just as if they were in a PT, but if you go to someplace like altepa desert and fight the mobs would check at IT but be harder than exp mobs, so they would gain the max amout of 200 exp per fight NO MATTER WHAT LEVEL YOU ARE

i have tested this and it works i have called my npc a total of 10 times i gave her a Great Katana and fight with her in either Altepa or Xcarbard (sp) she is level 34 and i have never used her on a lower level job or fought things in lets say batalla downs where the mobs would check at EP or DC to her

they best way to level your npc is to just go to a place where mobs are well over there level and kill for those of you without high level jobs and you cant do that.... too bad

Edit: and also people please read the previous post before asking anything i keep reading and all im seeing is "i took my NPC with me on my level 4 monk for the 5th time, why wont he level???" if you read back alot of questions were answered

Edit#2: O ya i forgot to add, there seems to be a little lag between when the mob is killed and when your npc will level every time my npc has leveled and every time someone post about there npc leveling it has always been a few seconds after a fight, just earlyer today i just killed a demon and my npc said "Wow im exausted!, i gotta go now... bye!" and left then right after she poofed i saw "LEVEL UP!" simallar things have heppened every time


Edited, Mon Jul 25 05:21:29 2005 by Inuakurei

Edited, Mon Jul 25 05:25:42 2005 by Inuakurei
#308 Jul 25 2005 at 4:40 AM Rating: Decent
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ok...

my NPC is level 34 so i know what im talking about ive watched her and i have a good idea on how the whole leveling thing goes

if you fight with you npc with a level below theres, they will not gain EXP and level, they will not gain any exp at all

If you fight with your npc on a job close or at there level they will gain exp but only by the same amout they would at that level, this can be verrrry slooooow

if you fight with your npc in a high level aera where the mobs would check IT to them they will gain exp accordingly, so if they fight lets say... a level 30 EXP mob that is IT they would gain that amount of exp just as if they were in a PT, but if you go to someplace like altepa desert and fight the mobs would check at IT but be harder than exp mobs, so they would gain the max amout of 200 exp per fight NO MATTER WHAT LEVEL YOU ARE

i have tested this and it works i have called my npc a total of 10 times i gave her a Great Katana and fight with her in either Altepa or Xcarbard (sp) she is level 34 and i have never used her on a lower level job or fought things in lets say batalla downs where the mobs would check at EP or DC to her

they best way to level your npc is to just go to a place where mobs are well over there level and kill for those of you without high level jobs and you cant do that.... too bad

Edit: and also people please read the previous post before asking anything i keep reading and all im seeing is "i took my NPC with me on my level 4 monk for the 5th time, why wont he level???" if you read back alot of questions were answered

Edit#2: O ya i forgot to add, there seems to be a little lag between when the mob is killed and when your npc will level every time my npc has leveled and every time someone post about there npc leveling it has always been a few seconds after a fight, just earlyer today i just killed a demon and my npc said "Wow im exausted!, i gotta go now... bye!" and left then right after she poofed i saw "LEVEL UP!" simallar things have heppened every time


interesting.. i just took my NPC to altep today and fought a bunch of stuff with my 65 Blackmage... this includes Beetles, Ants, Doom Scorpions, and Manticores.

but no levelup, sorry to say but this information is just another way floating around that may or may not work.

good information though and grats on level 34
#309 Jul 25 2005 at 5:04 AM Rating: Decent
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your npc will not level by fighting in alepa just 1 time... if it did my npc would be around 40 by now it wook about 3 times in altepa to level her up then 2 more time to 32 then 2 more to 33 then 3 times (2 of which were in xcabard) to 34, your npc wont level quick it takes time... guess i shoulda mentioned that

and thanks ^^

Edited, Mon Jul 25 06:09:28 2005 by Inuakurei
#310 Jul 25 2005 at 5:18 AM Rating: Decent
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your npc will not level by fighting in alepa just 1 time... if it did my npc would be around 40 by now it wook about 3 times in altepa to level her up then 2 more time to 32 then 2 more to 33 then 3 times (2 of which were in xcabard) to 34, your npc wont level quick it takes time... guess i shoulda mentioned that

and thanks ^^


and what about the time i took him to Jugner with my 27 Ninja, or the time i took him to Sanctuary of Zi'tah and killed a bunch of stuff that woulda been IT++ to him. then i took him to Batalia downs then Rolanberry fields... THEN i took him to altep and fought IT++++ with him... that is a valid mistake for you to say after only 1 day ive tried to level him.

frankly put he shoulda been level 31 at least by now IMO.
#311 Jul 25 2005 at 5:22 AM Rating: Decent
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and what about the time i took him to Jugner with my 27 Ninja,


he didnt get exp for that... mobs have to be above level 30 in your case and if they were he only got little exp

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then i took him to Batalia downs then Rolanberry fields...


He only got minimal exp for that since the mobs around there are about level 30

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THEN i took him to altep and fought IT++++ with him...


thats where you started going on the right track.. my guess is go to altepa 1 more time and he should level, maybe 2
#312 Jul 25 2005 at 5:25 AM Rating: Decent
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I had a little thread over on quests board but this one is much bigger and better. Awesome work guys!

I've got a 32 Mithra named Banjo, Healer type wielding a GKT. She's in pretty much all Seer's gear.

I guess I dont have much to report that hasnt been covered ._. I'll keep an eye on her though~
#313 Jul 25 2005 at 5:29 AM Rating: Decent
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"and what about the time i took him to Jugner with my 27 Ninja,"


he didnt get exp for that... mobs have to be above level 30 in your case and if they were he only got little exp


so by fighting level 33-40 mobs for an hour and he didnt get a signifigant amount of EXP?

you heard it everyone unless your level 75 and fighting IT+++ mobs everyday for 2-3 days dont expect your NPC to level.

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any by the way.. check here...
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/bestiary.html?fmarea=93

Ochu's go up to level 37... which is what we fought.. also were fighting goblin smithys and silver quadavs who also go up to level 39...

Edited, Mon Jul 25 06:38:54 2005 by Xclint
#314 Jul 25 2005 at 5:31 AM Rating: Decent
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hey hey dont get me wrong... you CAN level it if you dont have a high level it will just take alot longer and be alot harder
#315 Jul 25 2005 at 5:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Ooh heres something:

I think it's true that NPCs stay for 15 kills or 45 minutes, whichever ends sooner. That being said, I thought it was calculated by a system of equations, where

x = 0 when [Kills = .5 times NPC's LEVEL]
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x = 0 when [Minutes Spent = 1.5 times NPC's level]

But I got proven wrong tonight. Me and two people with l.30 NPCs (mine is 32) went out and killed, and all 3 NPCs left at the usual 15 Kills, where if the above were true mine would have stayed for one extra kill. So this disproves at least the first of those two, and likely the second, as long as the change in duration occurs smoothly, not in chunks.
#316 Jul 25 2005 at 6:49 AM Rating: Decent
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But, but, I was in a party and my npc stayed 2 fights longer than the other person. However my npc was level 31 by then.

BTW now level 32 and yes I've been fighting in the desert.

The jump from level 31 to 32 was very fast once I changed to my level 75 job (from my level 35 one).
#317 Jul 25 2005 at 7:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, I have a level 33 Elvaan attacker called Romidiant wielding a Great Sword, and I too can confirm Inuakurei's post. I level my NPC in Yhoator Jungle as 75WHM, it seems to be pretty effective. I get a level up every 2-3 sessions.
#318 Jul 25 2005 at 8:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Mine leveled to 31 and I have taken him out 3 times total, I have been fighting mobs that would be appropriate for a level 30 party to fight, such as Mandys and Goblins in Yhoator.

He seems to go away after about 15ish fights, and he has at my guess alittle over 550 health (I let him fight a Mandy in Yhoator and stepped when he had alittle over a sliver of health left, I then added up the damage it equaled out to 567.
#319 Jul 25 2005 at 9:00 AM Rating: Decent
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My NPC is 31 and currently in Healer mode. Here is how she progressed:

1. Battalia Downs - 15 Minutes - TW mobs
2. Zi'Tah - 10 Minutes - massive gobbo aggro and death
3. Zi'Tah - 45 Minutes - Healer Type fighting EP Farmers and alot of resting for MP - DING 31
4. Yuhtunga Jungle - 15 Minutes - Fighting too weak Shagain

As for Armor change, it's just plain weird. It seems really random to me. She had Lizzard, RSE, various gloves, Doublet etc etc.

At the moment she is wearing:

Lizzard Boots, RSE Pants, Scale Body, something that looks like Cuffs for a Mage.

It's almost like in a real party. If experience sucks she leaves after 15 mintues ><. Also the resting might be an issue too as you obviously never rest on too weak.


Muadib
#320 Jul 25 2005 at 9:14 AM Rating: Decent
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my npc lv up to lv31 last night

day1 rolanbery west of time that i don't know i can cure her lol. she die 20mins
day2 party with dark and her npc in eastern altepa. rock > 1300xp with my lv33 blm. 43mins
day3 rolanbery again. 600xp:40mins
day4 rock again with my lv66 rdm to eastern altepa: kill everything that walk by. i gain no exp: my npc lv31
i will go again tonite>> and i will report ^.^

about drop pearl and get new one.
SE will soon correct it since they also correct data from this board. I don't know when.
but for me it's not fun, if i have to start all over again >.<
#321 Jul 25 2005 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but the race of your npc definitely does matter. I got a taru at first and let her get down to 10-15% hp. At that point DS + Cure IV healed 330hp's.

I repeated the quest and got a galka buddy and when he was low a DS + Cure IV healed over 500. So I would estimate the taru has under 400hp's and the galka is around 600. I assume the taru has more mp, but I haven't unlocked any other jobs to test.
#322 Jul 25 2005 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
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my Liabelle is level 32 now and has been in "Shield" Mode till 31.5 and "Attacker" to 32.

I leveled her with my level 62 whm friend (and I am level 55 sam) the first night. Then the 2nd night with level 62 and 60 whm friend.

As far as I can tell, as long as you kill mobs above her level she will get exp. And She seems to change equipment after every quota fill. The equipment seems to be rather random. Because...

End of first Summon: Starting Elvaan pants, and Coarse Leggins, Lizard Gloves. Scale body.

End of second Summon: Starting Elvaan gloves, Shoes, and Pants, Scale body. About Midway before she disappeared she dinged 31.

End of third Summon: Mithril~!!! Body.. forgot the rest, I think they are Lizard Shooes and Gloves.

<Switched to Attacker Mode>

End of fourth Summon: Entire Lizard Set T.T About Midway before she disappeared she dinged 32.

I been leveling her at the Yhoator Jungle Crystal. Since things there are EP to me and definitely IT++ to a level 30.

[Edit]
Edited in the level up time for Liabelle

Edited, Mon Jul 25 12:53:05 2005 by JamesX
#323 Jul 25 2005 at 12:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok a few questions/things I noticed.

Last night my NPC leveled to 31. (I was 61RDM, killing stuff in Zi'tah with a 65 SMN and his NPC) My NPC leveled up after it said goodbye, as it was dissappearing.

I thought I'd try the toss the pearl trick. Got a new one and this morning took NPC out with my 13 MNK (in healer mode, same as last night). I figured I could get some free healing. ^^
Now, when I got back to the Rendezvous Point he was back in full scale set. He was wearing a doublet, lizard boots, and brais I think. >.<

My husband also tossed his pearl and when he checked his NPC it was back in scale set as well.

So question is; Did he switch back because I took him out as a low level job or because I tossed my pearl? Does "losing" your pearl start them over so to speak in terms of gear collecting?

EDIT: My other question was: Does what weapon you give Luto perhaps decide your npc's job? I don't think all those weapons are all jobs, are they?

Edited, Mon Jul 25 14:06:49 2005 by MangoMage
#324 Jul 25 2005 at 1:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Some info for the OP, the time limit for your npc is 45 minutes or 15 kills whichever comes sooner. This is at level 34, although i think its the same at lower levels.

Questions above, I have tossed my pearl many times and saw no downgrade in equips. They change gear depending on the situation, possibly the weapon has an effect also plus other randomness.

Weapon makes no difference to the job itself although it's hard to tell. My Npc is in healer mode and using a Great Katana. >.> Probably not a job like we have but some custom thing.

Has anyone had Erase cast on them yet? level 32 spell.
#325 Jul 25 2005 at 1:19 PM Rating: Decent
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unfortunatly Runespider i've killed alot more that 15 things before... i think it might be situational
#326 Jul 25 2005 at 1:20 PM Rating: Decent
MangoMage wrote:
My other question was: Does what weapon you give Luto perhaps decide your npc's job? I don't think all those weapons are all jobs, are they?


No, the tradable weapons are not all jobs. I think the NPC's style and weapon is not tied to any specific job. Its just a character with certain spells and abilities (according to your selected style), that can use any weapon type. My Mithra NPC is set to healer mode and wields a Great Katana.
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