On the subject of in-game same-sex marriage....Follow

Damn this thread is getting long... you people are too opinionated!



Meh, karma's karma. I don't have a dogma for it to run over and I keep my katmas indoors so they're fine. This is just proof that we need a rant forum that doesn't effect karma (like journals) so that people can speak their minds without getting rated down for it. Any premium users out there want to donate their unused journal to host a rant forum much like the server forums? I'd give mine, but it's kinda dedicated to Fame :)

I'm going to go buy the Game Of Life boardgame and put 2 baby blue pegs in the front seats of all the cars.

If you can find any historic evidence of a gay marriage before this decade I'll let it slide. Marriage could have been redefined by the Romans, Greeks, Babylonians, Mongols, Assyrians, or hell even the Sumerians... It hasnt changed throughout all of human history. Even before Christianity, or in parts of the world that don't even harbor beliefs resembling Judaism (also note ancient Native America). Marriage between same sex individuals just hasnt happened. Im sorry, but we cant call apples oranges to make the apples feel better... It's just the way it is.

Actually, in ancient Rome and Greece, gay partnerships were very much commonplace. Marriage in itself is just a stupid ceremony, since since most of the people who participate in it end up divorced, it's a pile of horsesh*t anyway these days.
What you have here is a bunch of people who want to be treated exactly the same for the first time in their lives, and other people who cherry-pick parts of a book to attempt to give a reason against it, or say "Oh it just hasn't been done before, so why now?" Back in the 1700's, people didn't fly either. They do now. White didn't marry blacks, and they do now. The world didn't end, did it? And it won't.

Marriage, or any other civil contract, is between two parties, so the "slippery-slope" argument is weak here. As for marriages for status? What about all the couples who marry to get someone a green card, or to get some kind of tax break? It happens all the time.

Dont for get the "Brittany Spears" wedding. lol.

I doubt the government is too happy with that.

Generalizing anything introduces complications, that's really undenyable. Any governmental action has to take into account potential future actions. You have to think ahead: "If the marriage legalities were generalized to unions, what would happen next?" I can easily see polygamy cited, since its prohibition can be visibly traced to the religion that "unions" are now supposedly separated from. I'm sure you can think of others; use your imagination.

So rather than take that chance, let's make these people suffer. The government wasn't too happy with letting the slaves go either. Or letting women vote (W. Churchill: "Men should just ignore the mewing of those cats."). What you'll have is a bunch of couples who are finally able to live like normal people. I think that ignoring the struggles of others because it's easier is NEVER the right thing to do. I'm very ashamed of some people for the way they allow others to be treated, and I hope to God that all of you end up with at least one gay child, so that you will be forced to LOOK at your disgraceful conduct. Make them feel different, and left out. Go ahead.

Wow....Thanks everyone, for participating in the debate. I would ask a few things of you. One, the original topic is NOT whether or not homosexuality is evil in the eyes of Christianity. I don't believe in Christianity and I quite frankly don't care whether they think I'm evil for being born the way I was. The topic is about same-gender marriage in FFXI. I ask that you limit the religious discussion because I don't want anyone's feelings getting hurt.

Two, to everyone who said (countless times) "It's just a game!", go back and re-read my original post. Read it several times until the intent of that post sinks in. S-E willfully chose to PLACE limits on who can marry whom, just to mirror real life. So everyone whose response was "Stop trying to bring your real life into the game!", you can go point the finger at the game's creators, not at me.

Three, I would really appreciate it if people would stop rating my subsequent posts down. Yes I'm gay. "OMG THAT'S SO SICK!" That's fine you feel that way, but my karma is dropping out in a large part thanks to all of my off-topic posts on the second page that people (for some reason) marked down even though I said nothing to warrant a rate down. If you want to rate me down for my views, that's your choice. That's not how the karma system was meant to be used, but so be it. But rating all my other posts down out of spite is petty and makes you look bad.

Four, I would appreciate it if everyone would try to be civil to each other from now on. What some people have understood in this topic (and what many people have not) is that your opinion, while you may believe it's right, is no better than anyone else's. I believe it's unfair to be discriminated against because of a fact about myself that I was born with. Someone else may feel that I'm some sort of an abomination in the eyes of their god or whatever. Just because I KNOW I'm right doesn't mean I'm right. And it doesn't give me the freedom to disrespect their opinions and fundamental belief system.

Five, I just briefly want to address the religion thing. A lot of people have said that it's important to "spread the word" and "save them from eternal damnation". The thing is, I'm not ASKING for you to save me, because I don't feel you're saving me from anything. I don't believe in Hell, nor in a supreme entity of evil, nor do I believe in punishment for your earthly transgressions after death. I am very happy with who I am, and there is nothing about me I WANT to change (ask me 7-8 years ago though....). Therefore, regardless what your religious views on the subject are, if I'm not ASKING for you to "save" me then I would appreciate it if you would stop trying. There is absolutely ZERO doubt in my mind that I am NOT going to be eternally damned (or even damned on a rent-to-own basis). I am a good, kind, thoughtful, intelligent, and most of all sympathetic person. I truly feel that I am everything that can fairly be expected of me. I respect others' views but I would appreciate it if those others would respect mine. There is a difference between being righteous and self-righteous, something I feel a lot of heavily-religious people need to learn.

I certainly hope not because even that does not change people's minds. When my BF's father found out he pulled out a playboy and started shoving his head into it telling him he better like it or he has no son. A few weeks later he was kicked out. So if they have a child that is gay that does not necessarily give them a change of heart.

And what gives the apples the right to deny rights and freedoms to the oranges? Is it the fact that the apples outnumber the oranges? How does it make ANY difference to an apple if two oranges go make juice together?

Oh god... I can't believe I actually just ran with that analogy. ANYWAY, the point is that it is not redefining marriage for you, it is redefining marriage for ME. You still have the same marriage you always did. It gets a little tiresome having to listen to the "me me me!" defense. Nobody is proposing they only allow straight marriage on Tuesday. They're not proposing evolution of marriage, they're proposing INCLUSION.

There's a silver lining to this. The kicked out son learns how to sympathize for those who are treated like crap for being different, and the father, probably later in life, realizes what they have done.

Remember on QaF, when Brian's dad is terminally ill, and Brian comes out to him? The father freaks and says "You should be the one dying!" and Brian replies (with a dead-on-stare) "But I'm not. You are."

At some point, everyone dies. Depending on how they treat others will determine just who, if anyone, wants to say goodbye.