On the subject of in-game same-sex marriage....Follow

I did find a loophole in the marriage problem, but it takes more work for a couple.

As previously mentioned, both myself and my boyfriend are Mithra. We wanted to do the silly marriage thing in-game, so we each made a male character mule. We're in the process of leveling them up to 20. We named the mules almost identically to our mains, so the wedding rings will be obvious.

Sure, it's a pain to level to 20 with a mule...it's a pain to pay for two weddings (but hey, two spiffy wedding dresses!) but if you're determined, there is a way around it.

I just think it's a little unfair that there is no same-sex marriages allowed when they DO force certain genders on you if you want to be a certain race. I couldn't really see the heated arguments about Square being asses if they allowed both genders of all races, because then you could just play as whatever the hell gender you wanted, and you'd have no room to complain since you could both be whatever gender/race combination you wanted. But you can't entirely do that, and that's what sucks here.

Hmm.....

This debate reminds me of something.

Have any of you ever read the book "The Forever War"? It's a sci-fi piece based on the Vietnam War.

Part of the idea is that a military force is sent out through a highly accellerated form of travel to fight a war far away, with the practical effect of stasis. This means that when they eventually return to Earth, it is many, many years later than from when they left.

Upon returning, the entire world is Homosexual. It became encouraged as a method of controlling overpopulation. The main character's discovery of this, especially the fact that his own Mother is now homosexual, bears great relevance to this debate in my opinion.

I suggest giving it a read, not only for its relevance here but also because it happens to be a fantastic book.

Ok, let's think about this for a second.

Your fighting for your "rights" on an Online-Game so you and your boyfriend can get married? Why dont you put your energy torwards more USEFUL things like maybe fighting for your gay "rights" in the real world?

Waste your time ******** about it on a forum isnt going to get anything you "Want" done. Nobody is really going to go outside with a smile on their face the day gays can get married in FFXI just because they cant ******* accept the world.

If you and your boyfriend want to be married so much why dont you go DO something about it, instead of ***** to people who obviously dont really care.
Nobody will honestly praise 2 gay couples on a server can get married because the vast amount of STRAIGHT couples wanting to get married already outnumber them. Congratulations, your going to be able to get married! Just set it ahead a few months so you can afford the 130k it costs for the wedding!

FFXI already has alot of people betting this game is going to fail and I cant see adding a gay marriage will benefit anybody but a good 20 people that cant afford the wedding anyways.

Let this thread die. It's going nowhere. This post isnt going to get Square-Enix to think "Maybe we SHOULD allow gays to get married.. hmm.."
But personally I cant see a world of Strange races, Magic, unexplored amazing things, be all that damn worried about gay equal rights.

Stop wasting your time ******** about the equal rights of a video game, and go put that wasted energy torwards things that benefit others.
YOUR KIDS ARENT GOING TO CARE WHAT YOU ACCOMPLISHED IN A VIDEO GAME.

Wait nevermind... this is about the gays .. soo.. uh.. okay well NOBODY IS GOING TO CARE WHAT YOU ACCOMPLISHED IN A VIDEO GAME.

Now im done. I dont care what your opinion is.It's fact your all wasting your time talking about equal rights in a video because it will CHANGE NOTHING.

Thank you for your time.

Thanks for rating me down by the way. I love the "I wont rate you down for sharing an opinion" comment yet you rate me down for sharing an opinion with someone.

Edited, Mon Aug 9 21:46:05 2004 by Tarandor

I also responded by saying that he could not have done it out of fear, and I clarified as to why. You are free to re-read my post if you did not understand this on your first go around.

In addition to that, I suppose that this is another rumor that you have heard, for it is completely incorrect. You may also verify what I am about to say through various accurate sources of history, since it is entirely true.

Abaraham Lincoln was raised in a religious, Baptist household that taught him to be against slavery, since it was morally wrong, and went against God's teachings to "love all" creatures. He did not change his opinion later on in life, nor did he come upon it for political gain, but it is how he was taught since he was a toddler. His mother and father passed their strong opposition on to him, so he did not "dislike blacks" as much as you may think. Any source which you may quote that claims such a thing is as erronous as the statement you made earlier, that within the Bible, it states that God hates gay people.

You can post more if you'd like. I'm enjoying gunning you down. ^^

You bring up such great points. I didn't think many would realize what you have, but I was damn wrong. You're right, you CAN'T rely on the bible because it's interpretations will be based on who wrote it. You need to think for yourself. I don't recall every saying I disliked gay people, sure my username implied the hell of it, but it's nothing but a label. It's all labels.

ok... how do we bring this up against the US, how do we contact them.... i want to debate with them... I want to see what was said to lead them to make it so Gays could not marry.

Your fighting for your rights in the real world.. on a forum.. I have given you all more credit than you deserve.

MarcusD, big big rate up. If all Christians were as peacefully spiritual and as full of love and understanding as you are, a lot more people would be Christian. Thank you for sharing something as important as your religious beliefs with us. And don't worry, I know that there are a lot of Christians who "practise what they preach" and I NEVER hold someone's religious beliefs against them.

GodHatesFags, if it's just a "label" and you don't actually "hate ****", then I suggest you change your label.

To everyone who gets the point of this topic, thank you.

To everyone who clearly doesn't... I am SIMPLY trying to make a topic to debate (in a courteous, considerate manner), the issue of gay marriage in-game (and I guess in real life too). I am not trying to change anyone's belief system, I am not championing any cause, and I'm not hoping secretly that something in this topic will convince S-E to change their policy. Honestly, for the sake of their company I hope they DON'T change their policy. Go back and reread every one of my posts in this topic, and stop telling me that I'm trying to marry my boyfriend in-game. That's not true at all. I'm simply pointing out that S-E willfully chose to mirror the real-life situation of discrimination against gay couples by limiting marriage in the game to people of opposite genders. WHY did they do that? They could have just added a general "marriage function" and left it up to the players who they want to marry. There wouldn't have been any controversy, no big splashes at all. But now they CANNOT go back and change their policy. My only complaint is, why did they feel the need to make special programming to PREVENT same-gender marriages?

seems like nobobdys posting anymore... guess this is dead now? ok... bet no one here can guess my age >.>

21!

why did they feel the need to make special programming to PREVENT same-gender marriages?

It's a rash assumption, but maybe some higher up in SE doesn't like gay people. If you're creating a game, why put what you don't like in it.

Maybe they thought it was immoral or wrong. There's ton of reasons that might be why, but I doubt you'll get the real reason here unless they mentioned it elsewhere and that gets posted here.

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Edited, Mon Aug 9 21:57:36 2004 by Deadgye