Solid translation of JP /check msgFollow

Does SE do this kind of thing on purpose??

I don't mind being checked, but yes I might if the text read "<name> stares at you intnesely, watching your every move, glaring at you with malace" or whatever it translates to. If they wanted /check to say something like that, why do they translate it "<name> examines you" in the NA version?

Another thing, I've heard in the JP version of the game, language preference indicates "which languages do you SPEAK!!!" whereas in NA it says something like that "what party preference do you have." These mean 2 completely different things. Do I have a party preference? No. Any PT that gets good exp is fine with me. Do I speak Japanese? No. What's my setting? JE.

Is it really that hard to translate correctly (not word for word obviously, but translate with the same underlying meaning...)

In all due respect Japanese emulate Na in real life more than any NA ingame emulation can make up for.

80% of the youth there look like an NA mall threw up on them.

Whens the last time you went to a north american mall and said "wow, all the kids are wearing japanese clothing lines?"

umm never...

I've never once heard an Na youth singing or rapping in japanese walking down the street, but in japan you'll probably meet at least 10 people who swear they are Eminem and can rap just like him. They will show you too, just try to hold a straight face...









Edited, Tue Jul 27 18:15:12 2004 by Jowaa

Wonderful topic!!!!! At first I was mad that another post about checking a japanese player was posted. But I was wrong. Its fantastic to know why they get so mad! I know most Americans are rude, but I figured checking someone isn't rude! But now that I see the translation, it makes since. Thanks.

Den, I think it's just a all-purpose /bow in the direction of the party. Could be wrong. ^^

I get annoyed at checks sometimes. Not because I'm wearing anything special, but it's because someone is either bot-hunting or being an anoying dweeb. I can't name the amount of times I get someone sitting behind me while I'm fishing, constantly checking me. Or, whenever I'm out as a melee job, I get incessant checks from people, for some reason. Is seeing a tarutaru playing a non-mage class that weird?

Oh, and getting /tells while /anon when I'm near a newbie zone (and checks) on the logic of "you're anon, you MUST be a WHM, *** RAIZE MI FRINDZ PLZ"

Can't hurt to be over-polite when you're obviously NA. They may have high-level friends, after all. :->

Haven't seen THAT kind of tell yet. I don't go anon much right now (made it a habit from 1-8, then stopped doing it for a while, and I'll probably pick it back up around 20).

I would like to state that the last line of my search comment is typically:

<Valkurm Dunes> = <everybody> <death>

and I'll probably be updating it to read Qufim instead post-20. :-)

well, this certainly makes me want to ask before i check in the future. thank you for this information.

I once saw a comment box on a Mithra in Bastok that said"
"If I wanted to be examined, I'd go to a gynocologist."

Look, we cannot blame translation because WE are the translation. Whatever is written in the Japanese version is original. Why would they create a phrase that is offensive to their own culture? I think the main issue is just privacy of level. Most high levels are anon because they don't want to be flooded with "Help me get my subjob itemz!!12342" /tells. When you /check, you are bypassing that initial privacy and making an assumption based on their gear.

And as far as turning on your filter to avoid seeing it...the point is they don't want to be checked in the first place. The filter does not stop the /checks, it just keeps you from seeing them...totally beside the point.

Personally, I don't mind being checked. I'm an 18rng/nin right now and I'm damn proud of my equipment. If you want to hit /c and stare at it for awhile, go ahead. No loss on my part.

X^D When ever some one changes theyre equip when i check em, i recheck them cause i wasnt done looking at their equip. To me, thats just as rude me checking them. lol

Recently I get checked a lot... more than usual.

Why?

It's because I'm wearing Savage Separates (Mithra RSE Body) and Republic Subligar as a Monk (can't afford a Jujistu Gi yet).

My Mithra is showing a lot of skin.

Annnnd there we go, an explanation for at least 50% of the reason behind checks.

So yeah... take that as you will. Personally I don't mind the checks. Most of the time I just ignore it. Sometimes I'll respond with a /shocked or something. But to me it's not offensive, even if in my case, it's mostly based on a sexual oriented standpoint.

But this whole "getting offended" thing is silly, so silly to the point that I stopped checking my party member's equipment because I'm afraid they might get mad, when as a WHM, it's pretty important to know if my tank can take the hits or not.

{/sigh}

I don't have anything to say regarding the NA/JP topic, but there is one thing that bothers me:

<Name> examines you. <Name> then proceeds to turn their back on you, so they can stare as long as they want without you knowing how long.

Then, less than 20 seconds later, after I haven't changed any gear,

<Name> examines you.

My response is always, "Isn't once enough? I haven't changed any of my equipment..."

I don't mind being checked; it's when people abuse the function that it starts to bother me.

Compared to how this topic was recieved the last few times it was brought up here, I can see we have made some good progress.

To the OP, thank you for bringing some objective information to the scenario. It's always difficult to have a clear discussion about something when the facts aren't laid out in front of you. At least now we have a pretty clear understanding of what is seen on a JP terminal.

It really says a lot about a person when they find out their actions can be deemed offensive by someone, and their response is, "I don't care, they can do <something> differently if they don't like it."

"I don't care if they don't like to be /checked. If they don't like it, they can turn on their filters."

It's rather disturbing, really. It doesn't represent a huge leap in logic to also assume that the people who say that are also the people that are most inclined to rant about "JP PT ONLY" in search comments, or the JP WHM who ran by them when they were dead and didn't stop to raise them.

You reap what you sow. If you are of the attitude that other people should make adjustments to accomodate your offensive whims, eventually it will come back to you.

To be honest, I think a lot of the tension between JP and NA has died down recently. The whole culture shock seems to be wearing off after just over a year since FFXI went mainstream in North America (Christmas of 2003). I think the majority of the population has reached a conclusion based on their experiences with one another. You'll find NAs and JPs who are willing to cooperate and work together. I believe they represent the majority.

Then you will find JPs that want nothing to do with NAs, and NAs who feel the same way. Their justifications for it are their own, and both sides display prejudices that really have no benefit in any community.

The key, I think, is to consider whether our own individual actions difuse, maintain, or escalate a negative situation. Every time a JP goes out of their way to be helpful or kind to an NA player, they help to diffuse tensions. Any time an NA goes out of there way to do the same (including respecting the customs and expectations the JP developed before the game reach North American shores), they also help to difuse the situation.

When JP go about their business doing what they normally do, they neither difuse nor escalate the situation, it remains the same. When NA players who don't know any better /check people without asking, I would assume by now that most JP are used to it. In my eyes, it's not acceptable to /check someone without asking if you know it's not socially accepted, but in this case, it's not such a major violation that ignorance can't be used as a justification.

It's when JPs are blatantly rude to NAs, and vice-versa, that the situation escalates. NAs spamming emotes in Jeuno, /checking people multiple times over the course of just a few minutes, or just being obnoxious in general, the tensions escalate.

So if we know what can make the situation improve or deteriorate, what benefit is accrued to us by doing things that we know can make them worse?

I was on the airship the other day, and happened to notice someone standing next to me in amazing gear. I send them a /tell using the translator to ask if I could check them ({Excuse me...} {/check} OK?). They agreed, and I checked them. Kirin's Osode, Seiryu's Kote, Optical Hat, Fenrir Earring, Francisca, Kreigsbeil (sp)...the works. He was a fellow RNG, and if there was a better piece of armor etc. he could have had in any of his gear slots, nobody knows about it yet.

I can definately see where people are coming from when they say it's neat to check the gear of someone who has some really cool stuff. There's no disputing that. It's one thing to hear about it, another thing to read about it, but somehow there's something entirely different about seeing it on someone in the game. I think the only thing that would be better would be having all of that stuff myself ^^ (along with the level I could use it :P)

The question remains though, would it be worth embarassing myself and making myself look rude and thoughtless for the sake of examining someone's gear. Even more so when it's so simple to ask first and potentially head off any misunderstandings?

It's like the cheesy cliche, "If you're not a part of the solution, you're a part of the problem."

Sometimes, I almost wish that their weren't laws preventing parents from beating some courtesy into their children from time to time as needed. You know, like in the movies where the portly mother chases the dopey son around the house wacking him over the head with a broom because he's too stupid to realize that he's rude?

Maybe it's just a youth thing. I can remember when I was of that age where I figured that if it wasn't something that could get me arrested, there was no reason for me to not do it. Maybe asking some of the rude NA players to grow up would be unfair and unrealistic (regardless of what their real age is). Perhaps the best we can hope for is that these thoughts and social expectations are something they remember later on when being the "rebel without a clue" loses it's luster and they start to wonder why they're having a hard time getting through life.

I guess we can hope that everyone will eventually reach a point where the wisdom they cast aside as stupid when they were younger actually has practical applications when their success later requires on the cooperation of others.

All told though, I would have to say that I have a much more difficult time practicing tolerance for the clueless NA folk who run around like it's their right to offend anyone for any reason than I do trying to relate to people who have a different culture and a totally different language from my own.