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If he used the autotranslator it might have had a different connotation that he was intending. If that was the case,it certainly doenst warrent jail,just an explanation. It wouldnt chalk it up to a double standard, quite yet. I would chalk it up to a japanese GM who might not be thinking. After all,I imagine that if a japanese player said something offensive to americans using autotranslate,there are many people here that would instantly assume he knew exactly what he was doing.

Thats total BS. You should not be temp banned. This is the most rediculous thing I have heard.

Does japanese tranlate as "nihongo" ,meaning japanese language or "nihonjin" meaning japanese people.

What he was trying to say was "Japanese language,no thanks,I cant speak it" I think what he might have said was "Japanese people? No thanks,I dont like them"

Edited, Sun Jul 18 15:10:28 2004 by Valtoramir

First off,there ARE NO EU GMs. How do you know they are at the bottom of the totem? Second,no one has ever given me reason to beleive this stuff about NA GMs not being able to do anything about JP problems. Think of this as customer service. Many problems are cannot be solved by the rep you get on the phone. They escelate the issue to second teir support. I wonder where SE has their second teir support people? Maybe its japan. Ever think that a japanese GM might have to escalate these same issues to the same people.

Come to think of it,considering how much everyone hates americans these days, EU will probobally be first =)

Edited, Sun Jul 18 15:07:46 2004 by Valtoramir

Edited, Sun Jul 18 15:37:57 2004 by Valtoramir

I'd just like to point out that this is not true, recently on my server a jp player had a 4.5 million gil item (peacock charm) quartermastered and taken from them by a NA player.

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GM's don't do much from both sides of the ocean.

Give me a break.

I highly doubt that you put "Japenese = No Thanks!" in your Search Comment. Either you put "***" or some other thing without thinking about it. I'm going with Pomposity on this one.

It's kinda like this and if you stand back and look at this outside of the box you will see what I am saying.

Japanese people put JP only in thier search comments for 2 reasons. 1. is the most known is that a language barrier can be a pain. <----while this is a total copout and you know it is this is the first reason.
2. As far as I can tell Japanese players probably think of this game as their own. They were here 2 years before and from what I have seen most of them play pretty well. So the other reason they put JP only is beacause honestly they just don't think most americans are up to the challenge.

I have personally seen the exact ver betum saying in a Japanese search comment. It read <English> <No Thanks> <---exactly. Did I report him. No even though that to me is construed as racist any way you shake a stick at it. it could have been said any other way but for an english speaking person there is only one way you would read a sentence like that.

Alot of japanese people can be a little stuck up. But americans can be belligerant. I have said it before I will routinely put a NA only in my search comment not because I wish not to play with a japanese person but I just want them to feel a little of what a good american player feels everytime we are invited to a group and are either kicked or asked to leave because we do not speak the language.

I have also gone and put <Japanese> <No thanks> because there are some days even though I have a plain as day

E next to my name in area searches I still get tells in complet Kanji. I would reply with <I don't speak any Japanese> and get another tell in kanji with a bunch of mean looking characters in it plus <English> <Thanks for the offer but I will have to pass>

I did not offer anything thankyou. you were the impolite one that sent me a tell knowing I cannot understand kanji.

What I am trying to say here is that I will put whatever I like in my search comment. Even if it is <Japanese> <No thanks> Let them put me in Mordion for something like that. I will file a huge protest and Immediately unistall FFXI and be done with this Two faced garbage once and for all.

The reason you were jailed is most likely Japanese players for the most part think they can play better than the lot of us. Most Japanese GMs probably think the same thing naturally. TELL ME I AM WRONG. So seeing a <Japanese> <No thanks> or a NA only in a search comment would make them say.

"I am japanese i am awesome at this game. Since this person says NA only and will not join mt party even if I invited him I am going to call a GM and tattle because he is doing the same thing to us that most japanese people do to americans on a daily basis." and that is discriminate for no reason.

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There have been numerous instances posted where JP GM's are shown to have more power then NA GM's.

Perfect example would be with bots. NA calls GM on JP fishing bot. NA GM tells the person that it's a JP player and he can't do anything.

Next JP player call GM on NA player Fish bot. JP GM bans NA player.

Now these are the same to things happening but the NA GM couldnt ban the JP player but the JP GM can ban the NA.

I've seen/heard of this happning on more then a few occasions.

Addendum:

And at least one good example to show that JP GMs are equally powerless.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/journal2.html?user=286920&mid=1089711871194239992&num=15

This was posted in the Shiva forum. For the pertinent part, it was a Japanese player posting a story about how he got ripped off by someone for a drop from an NM.


Read: I called a Japanese GM, and he said he couldn't do anything about it. So don't go spreading the rumors that JP GMs are so damn high and might and all-powerful. Just like NA GMs, they have a limited scope of authority.

If it’s true I would have asked the GM to speak to someone above him or an NA GM and explained it to them

If you’re not telling the whole story which looks like the case.... then I really cannot judge the situation...


But I will only respond and rate to what I can see from the information given... not from what I think your hiding

We are not english. If it said American=No Thanks that might be a problem. If japanese translates to Japenese person,then its not a nice thing to say. Especially when you take into account that the Japanese language is very minimalistic. If something can be implied,it usually is. Japanese Person = No Thanks could easily imply Japanese Person=No Thanks (I dont like playing with Japanese people). Misunderstandings like this are bound to happen. Who was at fault? I think it was the GM. Its an understandable mistake though. I understand that GMs must be bilingual. That doesnt mean that they have native fluency. Thats required for court appointed translators,not customer service for a online game. These things happen. It may be irritating,but in the end,there is no lasting harm,except for fuel for the racists (on both sides of the ocean). If there had been lasting damage,like if your account had been permanently suspended,I have no doubt that a call to the telephone support line could clear it up.

If what you say here is true then things have changed. I dont do alot of reporting myself because i dont see it as my job to tattle tale on everyone.

But from the people i have spoken with what i posted has been done numerous times. I know numerous people that were told by NA GM's that they couldnt do anything cause a player was japanese and it would need to be handled by a japanese GM.

Before you run around calling people liars why dont you do some research and speak to others.

Now i'm not SE didn't make a change in the way things are handled that could be a possiblity. I"m saying that at one time. That was the way things where handled.