What's the easiest job for a bad player to hide in?Follow

wow, that was unanimous. lol. i guess i really don't know what i'm talking about because i was going to say blm. ^^; nevermind...

Monks for sure.

But I hate it when...

Dark Knights use things such as Last Resort, Beserk, etc, at the very beggining of the fight, all this means is I have to stop killin' and start healing. Maybe I should just stop and let them die. Can't stand the ones that don't use Aspir or Drain. Ran into one Dark Knight that had pimped out gear and was a very good dark.


Paladins that are more concerned with TP then MP. Even at lvl 50! They think since we have a rdm or brd that they do not have to rest for MP anymore. Sigh..and when they don't use all there aggro gaining abilities, very few use COVER when it could save someone in the party too.


Black Mages that don't know the enemies elemental weakness, can't MB, can't keep below the aggro line, ones that sit and do nothing for long periods of times, ones that don't heal, those who use burn instead of frost. Those that use the DOT Enfeebles, but not in the right order. Lots of things I hate about Black Mages, but thats because I am one, and I know how much thought REALLY does go into being a good Black Mage.

Melees in general that can't help set up a skill chain or don't want too.

White Mages that don't rest when healing isn't needed, and don't understand how awesome haste, paraylze, and Slow is on there MP Pool.

Red Mages that suck, red mages that melee and too busy enthunder'ing, phalanxing, or what have you to do anything useful. They hit for 12+7 WHEN they hit 1/10 times, yet insist on doing it when all they are doing is giving free TP to the monster. Sweet, just what I wanna see another 500 HP move from that bat to bring our paly in the red. Ones that can't keep refresh up, enfeebles running, won't be 2nd main healer or MB. Yea RDM is a HARD job, no doubt, but very demanding, so do it right! Don't give the good rdm's a bad name.


Bards that suck, and considering I have only pt'd with three, I only know of one good one, Spoony the bard in my Static pt, if you don't play as good as spoony, you stink.


LOL, sorry that felt good to let all that out!

ummm... i guess that's why they don't want to provoke. they want to save their own life. lol. ^^;

don't agree with this, with a lot of other jobs you need to have constant focus on what's going on.



im playing pld for quite some time now and so far im quite capable of keeping the mob where i want it to be.
i level my pld in a static pt and we worked out a pretty good battle strategy. as soon as a mob is coming to camp we all take our places and 8 out of 10 the thf is standing in the right place and can start his SATA routine without wondering if and where the mob wil move to.
i always played war and pld in parties so i've been always the main tank so i cant compare my self with other tanks to tell if im a good tank. but i get /tells to say that im doing a good job so i guess i must be doing something right :)



dont agree with this either.
what kind of equipment a player wears doesnt say much about his skill to play that job.
i could reverse that and say wearing the most expensive equipment to try to compensate for the lack of skill to play the job.
beacause someone is wearing 900K worth of equipment doesnt make him a better mnk as someone who is wearing the more standard equipment.

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love to see i get rated down because i simply dont agree with what someone else says.

As far as a level 72 not knowing about job abilities, I'd guess they bought the character from someone.

bst in a party, yes, all they really have to do is give their pet the fight command and swing away.

bst solo, NO WAY, this takes a lot of skill and if you try it you will die a lot before you get the hang of it. you have to learn what mobs are charmable and holdable as well as what mobs are weak to that kind of mob and how tough of a mob to sic it on and what to do when your pet turns on you while fighting a tough.

I have to disagree about MNK being the easiest class for a bad player to hide behind. However, I seem to be one of the lucky few who has a GOOD MNK in their static pt.

A bad MNK is a MNK that does nothing but attack the mob, who doesn't use their abilities like boost, dodge and focus. A very easy way to tell is if the MNK has no downtime boost macros. If he's not boosting while the mages are getting their MP back and the puller's off finding a mob, there's SOMETHING wrong. Honestly most people don't even stick with MNK very long, either.

Also: Be wary of the MNK who uses ANYTHING besides hth weapons. I've seen some scary, scary MNKs wandering around with mage staffs... wtf?

My vote has to go with WHM, PLD and DRK.

In the case of WHM, I honestly think that because of their rairty that most people don't understand the difference between a good one and a bad one. You have to be pretty unbelieveably stupid to ***** up WHM, and if someone's that hopeless they're not going to get anywhere. Believe me, having played WHM first, then gone to melee classes, I've come to understand how much crap people will put up with from a WHM and think it normal. The stupid excuses they make...

As for PLD and DRK... most people seem to be under the impression they're straight melee classes. If the PLD doesn't use his Cures in battle and just vokes, oh well, healing's the WHM/RDM's job, right? As long as the DRK's doing his SC, and hitting the mob, he's doing his job, right? Ugh. There's MP there for a reason! A PLD that doesn't use white magic for hate control is a gimped PLD, and I can't imagine a DRK without Drain. How do they make it? I have no clue. But somehow all of these subpar players with advanced level jobs can fart around and XP just on the charisma of having a "high level job".

I've met some fantastically stupid people in my time, playing every class in the game. They can run, but they can't hide!

I have to disagree with everyone who said Monk. Monk is very hard for a bad player to hide behind, because monks dont get a lot of invites to begin with. The truth is that Monks have to be really exceptional in order to distinguish themselves so people will invite them in the future. The thing with Monk is that its hard to keep track of their damage. The only thing I've noticed is the mob tends to die quicker (and we get more xp chains) with a Monk in the party. I don't recall having one bad experience with a Monk though.

My vote goes to Dark hands down. I can only remember partying with one good Dark, the rest have sucked but party leaders still keep inviting them back time and again. Darks suck because most of them never hit. This means that they dont do much damage from normal hits and build tp really slowly. People like Darks though because damage per hit is easier to see than damage over time. I monk will connect 5 times for 20 pts each in the same time a Dark will hit once for 70. The monk did more damage and has more tp, but people think "Monks hit for 20 and Darks hit for 70 so I'll invite the Dark." Dark is the most over rated melee job and that is why a bad player can be a Dark and still get parties quicker than good players with other melee jobs (especially Monk).

The reason monk is so easy to hide behind is that it is such an awesome class to begin with. It makes the horrible players decent, the average players good, and the good players unbelievably spectacular. The only problem is that the class is all the same to non-monks because of the constant damage that is often times the best but goes unnoticed, unlike the DRK's or RNG's out there.

I have to disagree with anyone who thinks a bad player can hide as a Ranger. As expected, I usually pull, and it's easy to figure out if a player is "bad" by how he/she pulls. During the battle, good Rangers will be able to manage the hate they build. Good Rangers will offer suggestions for skillchains involving their attacks (I still meet alot of people who don't know how to incorporate my WS into a chain).

Right, that's the whole point in this discussion right? A bad player can 'hide' as a MNK and not be detected. So I still have to say MNK. We're talking here about what class can a bad player play without people knowing they are bad.

WHM, you'll spot a bad WHM the second fight (sometimes the first).

Tanks (WAR/PLD), you'll almost always spot right away (i.e. when they don't provoke off the puller, PLD doesn't use cure for hate control).

So both WHM and Tanks are thrown right out of the running before we even start. We tolerate them if they are bad because we need them, but we *know* they are bad.

THF, easy to hide in at some levels, impossible to hide in when they get SATA.

DRK, my idea of a good DRK doesn't seem to happen very often, thus I tend to spot what I would consider bad DRK's fairly quickly (i.e. a DRK that doesn't Magic Burst off the Skill Chain when they can... use that job to it's fullest, unless there is a reason not to).

DRG, I don't have enough experience playing with DRG's to be able to tell a good one from a bad one yet.

RDM, Lower levels it's hard to tell since most people don't realize eaxctly what they do.

BRD, Another one that is pretty easy to tell, I don't have a lot of experience with BRD's so I can't say for sure, but I have had a couple of obviously bad BRD's failing to keep songs up, or two songs going.

RNG, In my opinion this is pretty easy to tell, overnuking and bad pulling is a immediate giveaway.

BLM, Same as RNG for overnuking but we add failures to follow up with Magic Bursts in here.

NIN, I've never played with a NIN that was blink tanking but I have a strong feeling that this is a very very obvious one to tell if they are bad or not.

SMN, I've seen good ones and bad ones but it's usually very hard to know which are which without waiting a few fights to see how they handle themselves. I assmue that most of the ones I've played with are good, just with no avatars, thus it really comes down to their backup healing skills, which again, are pretty obvious to tell good from bad. The ones that have multiple avatars have all been really good SMNs, but then they did solo an avatar at 20 or do a prime fight, both of which take skill.

BST, I'm just leaving this one alone, never had one in a PT.

SAM, Again I'm not sure here but I've seen some bad ones, funny story though... we had a decent SAM in our PT, pulling good exp chains, doing great skill chains... then *bam*, SAM hits level 30 and gets Meditate... all the sudden he went from a decent SAM to a horrible SAM because he had the 'new toy' factor thrown in. He never hit a skill chain because he was too busy playing with his Meditate and throwing WS's whenever he felt like it. Experience chains stopped, and the rest of us removed the SAM from the skill chains completely (how sad is it that that had to happen with a SAM). Party didn't last long after he hit 30, it became pointless to have him in the PT.

I know this got long, just figured since I had picked MNK that I would clarify my feelings on why the rest were easy to notice bad players, and if nothing else, maybe this will give others insight into how, at least myself, detects bad players in their job. Remember, no matter what the job, it's the person sitting behind the keyboard that is really bad or good, it's just easier to get away with being bad in some jobs more than others.

just my experience form over 400 parties but blm seems to be a good place to bad players to hide. no hear me out before the flames come in, a bad player can have all the gear and accesories and all the spells for there job class its just how they play that job class that defines them as bad. this brings me to blackmage, they are always sought after and a good deal of them over nuke with no regards for party dynamics. i cant tell you how many times ive been in the ideal party set up and had nothing but a huge game of ping pong going on for hours between the tank and the blm. other tactics these blackmages exibit is the uncanny ability to cast on other monsters while the fight is in progress and the overwheling urge to never escape thier party members to safty after they over nuke every enemy in the region. but since they are need so much for parties they are alowed to continue these patterns with little to nothing more than please dont do that. ive never seen a blackmage get kicked from a party for these tactics and even if they were kicked the party next to you would just pick them up immediatly, and they can continue their cycle of bad playing and leveling.

Edited, Thu May 20 16:20:21 2004 by DritzMonkey