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#1 May 07 2004 at 9:11 AM Rating: Decent
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It's just a little pet peeve of mine that everytime I run around collecting gobs in Valkrum, I get one or two people that feel the need to "help" me. Now mind you, they're already "checked" me two or three times and it's quite apparent that I can handle my train.

Stand there in awe, check me some more, I don't care. Just leave my mobs alone! It takes time to collect all them goblins.

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#2 May 07 2004 at 9:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sounds like they just trying to help just in case one fo the gobs gets a 200 point crit on your or something.

It could happen.
#3 May 07 2004 at 9:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Lol.. I got the feeling to "help" a BLM in the Highlands.. he said **** you.....?!?! I didnt understand, and 10 lvls later I came to a conclusion.... He was farming..
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#4 May 07 2004 at 9:18 AM Rating: Decent
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i had somone ni a PT WIG OUT on somone try ing to 'help'..

We ahd One member on his way to us from accross the Dunes.... he picked up a Ghoul along the way for us..

We started running to meet him ... adn at the outpost we got there, and someone took the ghoul from him... before we were in site I guess...

he was prolly quite pleased with himself until he got reemed out by my PT member..... I tried to put forth the notion that he was tying to help... but people are too apathetic.
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#5 May 07 2004 at 9:33 AM Rating: Good
115 posts, but im sorry, you really have no justification in saying "stay off my mobs, i took a long time to get them"..that would be like me saying "ok guys, since i was here first, I get to kill leaping lizzy till i get the drop, then once i get it, the next person who was here can kill him"

do you really feal that normal mobs and NM's are that different? ill tell you right now, that if someone is farming the same thing i am, and i need to kill them as well, then im going to kill thoses mobs as your training them, picking them off one at a time. granted, i wont use an area attack, casue that would be really mean, but i will start killing them one at a time. I have had this happen to me, and have done it to others many a times. All you can do is just swallow it, and either try something else or leave, but if anyone EVER ******* at me for "stealing" their mobs (im at the point now where i read these forums and just laugh), then ill just /blist <t>, and continue farming.

just because you took the time to grab every mob in an area so you could get as much jank as possible, dosent make it "your mob"...until i see its name in purple, its fair game. so either deal with that, or find a nice quiet place to farm where no one will bother you. ty.
#6 May 07 2004 at 9:35 AM Rating: Good
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and P.S.

If your farming the gobs in dunes, have you ever tried the Ruins in Windurst? One of them has an entire room filled with em, and i have never seen anyone there farming (at least on my server). They are the same type and lvl as they are in the dunes. This will prevent ppl from "helping" you, and will not put anyone else in danger.
#7 May 07 2004 at 9:38 AM Rating: Good
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Hmm... maybe they wanted some exp and you were taking all of their mobs.
#8 May 07 2004 at 9:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Just as a warning to those that do "borrow" from higher lvl player's farming trains. Although the person training them does only have rights to one of them, he is also providing a service by holding the aggro on the other twelve monsters. If you upset farmer, they may decide to give up that aggro by casting warp. They generally enjoy doing this right next to the person that is cherry picking from their train. You may say this is evil and might potentially even call a GM, but keep in mind that you're blaming someone because you provoked a goblin next to a dosen others.
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#9 May 07 2004 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent
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You have to remember, The dunes is the training ground for NooBs.
They have no idea you're farming. All they see is a sh*t load of gobs behind you.
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#10 May 07 2004 at 9:57 AM Rating: Good
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I remember when I was very low level watching someone train about 30 orcs in Ghelsba and how funny I thought it was. But over time I've come to realise that it's not fair to make large trains when there are people there trying to get exp off those gobs. I made a train once with my thief until I saw at least 3 people upset that I was taking everything. The mroe I thought about it the more I thought I was being pretty arrogent by doing that. Since then, if I'm farming, I just kill them as I see them. And if someone has made a train and I need what they are fighting, I don't think twice about pulling one. You can't expect to take every gob in the area, leaving nothing for anyone else, and expect them to just sit there and watch you.
#11 May 07 2004 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
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I actually had a good experience with people doing this. I was doing the making headlines quest in the outer horturu towers, and soemone pulled every mob in the tunnels up to the mahogony door. I walked up there, checked it, walked out. Everything was groovy.
#12 May 07 2004 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
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"ok guys, since i was here first, I get to kill leaping lizzy till i get the drop, then once i get it, the next person who was here can kill him"

Well...this is actually a very common practice in other MMORPGs...I am not certain why it never took off if FF, but I've seen it alot, its not very uncommon, and its actually a decently fair way to handle camps. Before ridiculing a method try and think of all the reasons for it.

Many people farm Beastmen for coins, doing it in zones like Qufim, Shakhrami, Yhoatar, Yuhntunga and Valkurm results in those zones having less trains because of less goblins, resulting in less deaths total, and helps keep those zones out of Beastmen control. It does take a while to gather up a nice little train, and it is very frustrating if you are farming that way when people snag your pulls, especially if you have pulled it all the way from the outpost to say....Gustav tunnel zone....People farm this way so they can get the most out of their AE Spells and abilities is all, not to spite a zone full of lower levels that are trying to experience.

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#13 May 07 2004 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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it's one thing to run around and collect mobs in a zone no one XPs in. it's another thing to do it in a known XP zone.

what's the point of collecting a huge train while farming? if you are high enough to handle a train, why not just kill them as you see them? in the time it takes to form the train, 3/4 of the mobs could have been dead already.

what happens if you d/c? now you have a runaway train and some ppl might think you did it on purpose.

don't be greedy and overhunt.
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#14 May 07 2004 at 10:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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I really don't think farming in the Dunes, Qufim, Yhutunga, or any of the other common leveling grounds is a good thing to do. Not only does it interfere with other players by building potentially deadly trains if something should go wrong, it also denies them enemies to fight in areas that are already over-camped, and when a massive train passes by your group, the lag that it creates can interfere with their battle. Plus, as others have pointed out, many of the players in the dunes are new to the game, and will not understand what you are doing, even though you may be a ridiculously high level for the enemies there. Farming in areas with important quest items (Yughott Grotto, Ghelsba, Giddeus, etc) should also be done with care. Leave a few mobs off your train for those who are trying to do the quest.

If you're going to farm, try going to the less popular areas. There will be fewer people there, which means there is less chance of you interfering with them, and less chance of them interfering with you.
#15 May 07 2004 at 10:10 AM Rating: Good
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Just want to throw something else into this thread for people to think about when they have decided to pick off the mobs in someone elses train.

Once a mage (or any player) has started using an AOE to dispatch the train, please do not consider those mobs "unclaimed" because only one is purple. I almost had a death in Tahrongi as a level 30 BLM when someone decided to pick off one of the Dhamels that survived my first -ga spell.

The problem? Once you hit a mob for a decent chunk of damage, they have a lot of hate against you. A lower level THF fired an arrow at one of the surviving Dhamels. This put the Dhamel in "claimed" purple status, so I could no longer attack it. That Dhamel was not going to turn around and fight the THF based on one arrow -> and the THF proceeded to give up when the Dhamel continued to chased me (I was not too far from the bubu zone point, and decided to just zone to shed the hate). So for 5 tense minutes I watched my low BLM HP drop 15-20 points at a time, while I was powerless to do much about it but run. Apparently the THF either never caught up, never tried attacking a different mob, or just plain knew what he was doing and purposefully left the Dhamel in claimed status. I was just under 40 HP when I hit the zone point.

Granted, if 2 high level players get into a competition in an area and are picking off each others trains, they are more likely to be able to quickly inflict enough damage to get the hate. Unless of course, they purposefully claim the mob and leave it alone to create that kind of difficulty for you. When it is obvious that is the intent, I suppose a GM call is the best action.

Anyway, just another thing to think about. If you are playing a low level character, and you are frusterated with someone training all the mobs you are hunting for XP, please first try to talk to them about it. I know in my case, I would have gladly moved - I don't like to farm where others are XPing, unless I know it is mobs they don't want anything to do with (such as elementals ^^)

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#16 May 07 2004 at 10:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Darkraistlin wrote:
Anyway, just another thing to think about. If you are playing a low level character, and you are frusterated with someone training all the mobs you are hunting for XP, please first try to talk to them about it. I know in my case, I would have gladly moved - I don't like to farm where others are XPing, unless I know it is mobs they don't want anything to do with (such as elementals ^^)

Or for instance the line between Selbina and the Outpost (at least on my server). No one xps those gobs, for fear of a train. I don't farm the gobs that people are xping off of. I just happen to think it's rude to pick off a mob that I've already got down to half hp.

Thanks everyone for your "insight." Another truly enlightening experience.
#17 May 07 2004 at 10:47 AM Rating: Good
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I helped a LS mate with the Palborough dragon the other night as a WHM. On the way there, we see a level 30ish taru warrior getting beaten on by a couple of easy cons. But he wasn't fighting back at all. We asked if he wanted help - no response. We keep watching as his health gets lowers and finally he says - "Oops was afk, pizza just came". So I heal him up (2 cure 3s). My party (reflexively) kills the unclaimed quadav that's now beating on me and he freaks. My mistake, of course - he could have killed them both even in the red. Although loosing one easy mob when farming is not a bad trade compared to the time he would have to spend healing up. /shrug
#18 May 07 2004 at 10:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, in my book, anyone clearing the beastmen keeping the trains at bay in those overpopulated zones is doing a good thing, regardless of what others think. Sorry, too much time with Kulshushu, Qufim, Elshimo Uplands AND Lowlands all in nearly permanent Beastman control null out any arguements that "People Experience off these", people don't experience off them nearly as much as they train them around, cause countless deaths and die to them. There are nearly 100 different zones, while you can say the farmers go to another can those getting experience...and probably do a better job of it too...

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#19 May 07 2004 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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If you're pulling trains to farm in areas that don't affect the xp of others, I really don't think it would be appropriate to cherry pick mobs off the train.

However, when there are a dozen level 10-ish players trying to xp off of the lizards and orcs in a spot like Ghelsba, and you haphazardly roll through pulling everything, that's when I take issue with it. I have no problem at all picking mobs out of your train for as long as I can follow you. I'm trying to xp and have as much right to those mobs as you do. You agro'ing them doesn't mean they're yours.

I believe not touching someone's train is a courtesy, not a right. If I wanted, I could grab every mob behind you that isn't claimed, but I don't because I know you're farming and I respect it. All I ask is that people return that respect and don't train every mob in an area where others are trying to xp.

#20 May 07 2004 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
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And another note to those of you who feel the need to farm in an area that low levels are farming, going to /Anon does not truely hide you level. Equipment tells alot. I had a Blm tell me he was XPing in Ruins by Windurst and that was why he was training all the gobs. His lowest piece of equipment was a 37 staff. Nice try.

Also, please don't do the <I don't Understand> crap either. I know we play with JP players, but there is the translator and you can make out the jist of what is being said.

Lastly (long first post, sorry) I do not mind sharing mobs with farmers. Just please kill them one at a time. Couple of reasons. First, the respawn will usually keep it so there is not standing around waiting. Second, when the respawn happens they will all pop at the same time and the lower level that was trying to kill something is now surrounded by agro gobbies, not fair or fun.

We have to share the mobs in every area, get used to it and lets all try to get along.
#21 May 07 2004 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
Here's my tact on trains =

If you don't scream for help, I'm not going to bug you. Even if I can take the whole train out in one blow of Stonega.

Mainly because I feel your pain. I run around training gobs to farm sometimes and that one guy get's the urge to help me out in my time of -desperation- and need. ><
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#22 May 07 2004 at 11:48 AM Rating: Decent
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I have only busted a train once.

I was headed up to help some people with Ghelsba keys, and someone had trained every mob in the fort to the zone line up there and was farming in the little hut. The problem was that some people had been fighting orcs there allready, and some of his train had linked. Seeing as he was inconsiderate enough to allow such a thing, I helped out the party by slicing my way throughthe train, and making some gil.
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#23 May 07 2004 at 11:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, in my book, anyone clearing the beastmen keeping the trains at bay in those overpopulated zones is doing a good thing, regardless of what others think.
Helping out, keeping the zone safe is a very good thing. I agree.

There are nearly 100 different zones, while you can say the farmers go to another can those getting experience...and probably do a better job of it too...
The thing is, it is much easier for a high-level farmer who is soloing to move to another zone, or at least another area in the zone, than it is for several low-level parties to move. A single high-level player can completely ruin an area. All I'm asking is that if you are a high level, and you are going to train, have a little consideration for the lower level players.

I have only busted a train once.
I generally leave the trains alone as well. I've even cast Protect III and the odd cure on people who were training to give them a little help. However, if the train is getting dangerous, or is obviously causing problems for other players, or the guy buiding the train, I will gladly kill it.

The day of the PS2 launch, a few people were trying to train EVERY SINGLE ENEMY in Ronfaure. Here we have a massive influx of new level 1-5 players trying to level in Ronfaure, and there are 2 or 3 high level players gathering up every single enemy they can find because "it's fun". They weren't even killing them. Just standing there, letting the enemies attack them, denying those enemies to the low level players.

I followed them around and killed their trains repeatedly to allow the enemies to respawn for the lower level players. They finally stopped when they realized I wouldn't let them build a huge train.
#24 May 07 2004 at 12:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I was actually playing around with a new way to help out lower levels yesterday with training. Grab a bunch of monsters from mid to far from outside the cities, train then fairly semi close to zone, then let people kill them so they can get some free exp. I hold agro, they kill the monsters and get the exp. I don't train anything with a aeo, for the safetly of the beginer levelers around. I also don't train anything that a lvl 1 player would have 0 chanse of damaging.

With Diaga, every mob is easier to kill for the beginer players, but only one is claimed at any given time giving the players plenty of free monsters they can kill for some easy easy exp. First come first server, so the people who are ready can get the best exp monsters first. If anything wicked happens, I can cure anybody quickly to take back agro or in a worse case senario (god forbid) raise dead players.

So just because someone has a train, doesn't mean their being selfish or doing stupid **** with it.

Edited, Fri May 7 13:28:54 2004 by iamfoursquare
#25 May 07 2004 at 12:35 PM Rating: Decent
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If I see someone doing this in an area where there are a number of people (including me) trying to get experience, I just send a nice tell saying something along the lines of:

Are you going to be doing this for long? If so, how long do you think you will be here? I would like to know so I can log and come back later.

But, sometimes, one is not sure, even with a BLM, whether they are in trouble or farming. For instance, I died the other day as a result of a high level BLM 'training' mobs past me to the Yoghutt entrance at the top of Fort Ghelsba. Apparently he was not able to take them all ... so they came back to eat me. If I assume they are 'farming' and all will be well, it can be a tragic mistake for me.
#26 May 07 2004 at 12:53 PM Rating: Good
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I brought this up awhile ago.

My feelings, if I'm farming in the same area as you, and you get a train together.

I'm picking off the edges.

The only mob you ever have a "right" to is the one you've "claimed" and others cannot fight. Any other mobs, even if you've gotten it down to 1/2 life, it's fair game to anyone that wants it.
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