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I am completely baffled by the Karma System HELP!Follow
Ok I have read a few posts today directly and indirectly relating to Karma on these boards. I rate up ppl that post great material but i have never rated anyone down. That aside I have no idea what the hell I am doing after reading all this. Please someone explain how this works and if you need to have a certain amount of Karma to rate someone.
I explained how it works here:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=108379070238181436
I'm currently trying to get the admins to fix the root of the issue, which is that every new post starts with a rating equal to the current average of all posts, instead of at 3.00 or "Good".
Several people have tried to get this fixed in the past, but nothing's been done yet.
There's just a few of us that don't feel like seeing this board turn into a rating war again and again and again, because there's a few people out there who think being a Sage or a Guru should mean something. I used to as well, until I saw how stupid these ratings are.
Why can't we just flame people without rating up and down constantly? I don't know, but it seems to be happening on the FFXI boards much worse than anywhere else on this site.
At least in the Asylum they leave your rating alone, and just rip you to shreds so you know what they think.
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=108379070238181436
I'm currently trying to get the admins to fix the root of the issue, which is that every new post starts with a rating equal to the current average of all posts, instead of at 3.00 or "Good".
Several people have tried to get this fixed in the past, but nothing's been done yet.
There's just a few of us that don't feel like seeing this board turn into a rating war again and again and again, because there's a few people out there who think being a Sage or a Guru should mean something. I used to as well, until I saw how stupid these ratings are.
Why can't we just flame people without rating up and down constantly? I don't know, but it seems to be happening on the FFXI boards much worse than anywhere else on this site.
At least in the Asylum they leave your rating alone, and just rip you to shreds so you know what they think.
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Edited, Wed May 5 20:26:08 2004 by Cadell
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C'mon Rari, that's the kind of crap that started this mess the last time.
You remember the Cookies!!! thread. It could be said that it was one of the direct causes of the creation of the OOT-lite forum, and Alla was very against that as I recall.
You remember the Cookies!!! thread. It could be said that it was one of the direct causes of the creation of the OOT-lite forum, and Alla was very against that as I recall.
LadyOfHolyDarkness, Eater of Souls wrote:
I explained how it works here:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=108379070238181436
I'm currently trying to get the admins to fix the root of the issue, which is that every new post starts with a rating equal to the current average of all posts, instead of at 3.00 or "Good".
Several people have tried to get this fixed in the past, but nothing's been done yet.
There's just a few of us that don't feel like seeing this board turn into a rating war again and again and again, because there's a few people out there who think being a Sage or a Guru should mean something. I used to as well, until I saw how stupid these ratings are.
Why can't we just flame people without rating up and down constantly? I don't know, but it seems to be happening on the FFXI boards much worse than anywhere else on this site.
At least in the Asylum they leave your rating alone, and just rip you to shreds so you know what they think.
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=108379070238181436
I'm currently trying to get the admins to fix the root of the issue, which is that every new post starts with a rating equal to the current average of all posts, instead of at 3.00 or "Good".
Several people have tried to get this fixed in the past, but nothing's been done yet.
There's just a few of us that don't feel like seeing this board turn into a rating war again and again and again, because there's a few people out there who think being a Sage or a Guru should mean something. I used to as well, until I saw how stupid these ratings are.
Why can't we just flame people without rating up and down constantly? I don't know, but it seems to be happening on the FFXI boards much worse than anywhere else on this site.
At least in the Asylum they leave your rating alone, and just rip you to shreds so you know what they think.
If you don't care, then why did you deliberately rate down a post that you admitted that you found entertaining, for no other reason than to lower someone else's rating? Sounds hypocritical to me.
Yea I have issues with comments I made 3 years ago on some EQ items. One of the has a rating of -0.3 ?? Hmmm.... but yea getting averaged from database comments for 3+ years ago is kinda bunk.
**edit** Yes, that is Negative 0.3
Edited, Wed May 5 20:19:28 2004 by Garborg
**edit** Yes, that is Negative 0.3
Edited, Wed May 5 20:19:28 2004 by Garborg
oh yeah....
/em hangs head
Sorry... got excited after finishing some work and finally getting that smiley
/em hangs head
Sorry... got excited after finishing some work and finally getting that smiley
I don't care about a person's rating.
But I'm tired of the karma ******** going on on this board.
Why do you think none of the old regulars are still hanging around?
We're tired of people beating a dead horse about **** we can't control.
Yes, I am the only person who has admitted to this karma bombing, but there were a few others. When people stop complaining about the broken karma system, we'll stop trying to stop these complaints from surfacing.
And, no, I don't care about karma. I'm set up to never filter, just as you should be, and if people want to camp my karma into the ground, let them. Anyone who's been here very long know's exactly where to find about 2/3 of my posts.
But I'm tired of the karma ******** going on on this board.
Why do you think none of the old regulars are still hanging around?
We're tired of people beating a dead horse about **** we can't control.
Yes, I am the only person who has admitted to this karma bombing, but there were a few others. When people stop complaining about the broken karma system, we'll stop trying to stop these complaints from surfacing.
And, no, I don't care about karma. I'm set up to never filter, just as you should be, and if people want to camp my karma into the ground, let them. Anyone who's been here very long know's exactly where to find about 2/3 of my posts.
LadyOfHolyDarkness, Eater of Souls wrote:
I don't care about a person's rating.
But I'm tired of the karma ******** going on on this board.
Why do you think none of the old regulars are still hanging around?
We're tired of people beating a dead horse about **** we can't control.
Yes, I am the only person who has admitted to this karma bombing, but there were a few others. When people stop complaining about the broken karma system, we'll stop trying to stop these complaints from surfacing.
And, no, I don't care about karma. I'm set up to never filter, just as you should be, and if people want to camp my karma into the ground, let them. Anyone who's been here very long know's exactly where to find about 2/3 of my posts.
But I'm tired of the karma ******** going on on this board.
Why do you think none of the old regulars are still hanging around?
We're tired of people beating a dead horse about **** we can't control.
Yes, I am the only person who has admitted to this karma bombing, but there were a few others. When people stop complaining about the broken karma system, we'll stop trying to stop these complaints from surfacing.
And, no, I don't care about karma. I'm set up to never filter, just as you should be, and if people want to camp my karma into the ground, let them. Anyone who's been here very long know's exactly where to find about 2/3 of my posts.
Oh please...you're such a hypocrite. Whining about all of the "little people" ruining the forum, when you're the only one I see "karma bombing" anyone. If you didn't care about karma, you wouldn't be rating people down randomly just to keep them "below" you. Who's beating the horse if you're the only one holding a whip, huh? People like you should be banned from any kind of public forum. You take the opportunity to exchange ideas with other people and turn it into some kind of selfish, egotistical political game and whine when it isn't "fun" for you anymore. Go play Vampire: The Masquerade to get your jollies, and leave regular people alone.
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And, no, I don't care about karma.
What a bunch of bull. Lady, you barged into the CNN Reports thread that aceofwilds and I started because we were bored at work, and you turned it into a karma battle by rating ace down and telling everyone why. Now you're saying you did that because you don't care about karma? Puh-leez.
If people want to complain about their karma, let them. If people have high karma after only a few posts, who gives a rat's a**? Quit acting like a 12-year-old.
I was having a conversation with the person who created the thread.
Hijacking happens all the time.
I'm having a conversation regarding this with Danalog right now.
Hijacking happens all the time.
I'm having a conversation regarding this with Danalog right now.
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I was having a conversation with the person who created the thread.
Hijacking happens all the time.
I'm having a conversation regarding this with Danalog right now.
Hijacking happens all the time.
I'm having a conversation regarding this with Danalog right now.
Hi Lady, I'm the one you've been "Karma" raping. Asaka is perfectly correct when he calls you a hypocrit. In case you missed it, I dismissed the "karma camping" that was originally mentioned in the CNN joke thread saying "I don't care". Still you chose to respond and bring this retarded war into what was meant to be a fun light-hearted thread.
I really don't understand what you have against me or against my name being in yellow or red...but whatever. I've seen my rating go up and down today and now it's just steady at 3. I'm not posting this message because I care about my rating, I'm posting this message because apparently you've got the "appearance" of a mod, yet all you're doing is pissing people off and suppressing their rating so they don't ever get to your level.
In case you didn't know, if the laws of "karma" actually applied here, you'd be banned from this site forever. Let me be clear: You contributed nothing to the CNN Joke thread. No one asked for your input. All you did was **** people off and sidetrack the thread. If you are some sort of mod you are the worst in history.
Karma rape me all you want Lady, cuz I really don't care what color my name is. But just know that YOU are the "hitler" in this situation.
If there were any true mods on this board I'd love to talk to them.
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=3
I put on the Depends. Anyone that's been here a while understands the irony.
Edited, Wed May 5 21:46:09 2004 by LadyOfHolyDarkness
I put on the Depends. Anyone that's been here a while understands the irony.
Edited, Wed May 5 21:46:09 2004 by LadyOfHolyDarkness
It's just another case of people not wanting new folks in the clubhouse. The karma system wasn't put in to keep new people out, it was to keep out spammers and fake info folks, while promoting people who give out known good info. Some people lose sight of this though and assume anyone new is bad, which just isn't the case. Also, I've said it before, but starting everyone out at 3.00 would make the karma system completely pointless. You're taking the less important part of the system (the titles people get) and making it the more important one (instead of keeping out people who post junk).
Do what now?
Karma karma karma karma Chameleooon!
Hello there, everyone. I am the one who first made a comment about my observations in the previous thread that some people have mentioned, and that LadyOfDarkness posted a link to. Before reading on, I feel that I should add that I am going to do my best to be as subjective and as unbiased as possible here. But if I do show bias or some attitude, please forgive me, as it is not my intent.
I feel that what happened in the other thread was not in the best interest of the forums as a whole. While I understand that there are people here who want to see major overhauls to the Karma system -- and I feel rightfully so -- I don't think that what happened in that thread is the right way to go about it.
Honestly, I wonder ... if I had not made the comment that I made, how much lower would some of those posts had been nuked that aceofwilds made? Like I said in that thread, one of them was dangerously teetering towards sub-default ... and once you hit that level, you really need to wonder. And that's why I made my comment in the first place.
I understand why people want to do something with the system that makes it better. It isn't perfect. But attacking innocent new posters who didn't even deserve to be attacked is the wrong way to do it. In the end, you were turning aceofwilds into a guinea pig for this sort of vigilante justice. Yes, you say you've notified a moderator ... I still disagree with these methods.
Lastly, those who say they don't care about their ratings or karma ... but then they choose these courses of actions ... I am sorry, but it just seems as though you are saying the exact opposite of what you do. You care enough about the Karma system to try and keep these new people in check.
Honestly, how long until someone is no longer rated down? What if all someone ever made was new threads that were insightful? Would you keep rating them down to keep them in check? And for how long? 10 posts? 20? 30?
Come tomorrow, I am going to see what has happened to aceofwilds rating. Because like I said before ... if I had not actually made it a glaring point in that other thread, what do you think his rating would be come tomorrow? Would it be even lower than when he began? He got rated back up decently a few hours later ... but would that have happened had someone not been there to make the observation?
Some food for thought.
Edit: Incidentally, I didn't touch a single rating in that thread.
Edited, Wed May 5 22:08:15 2004 by ResidentLune
I feel that what happened in the other thread was not in the best interest of the forums as a whole. While I understand that there are people here who want to see major overhauls to the Karma system -- and I feel rightfully so -- I don't think that what happened in that thread is the right way to go about it.
Honestly, I wonder ... if I had not made the comment that I made, how much lower would some of those posts had been nuked that aceofwilds made? Like I said in that thread, one of them was dangerously teetering towards sub-default ... and once you hit that level, you really need to wonder. And that's why I made my comment in the first place.
I understand why people want to do something with the system that makes it better. It isn't perfect. But attacking innocent new posters who didn't even deserve to be attacked is the wrong way to do it. In the end, you were turning aceofwilds into a guinea pig for this sort of vigilante justice. Yes, you say you've notified a moderator ... I still disagree with these methods.
Lastly, those who say they don't care about their ratings or karma ... but then they choose these courses of actions ... I am sorry, but it just seems as though you are saying the exact opposite of what you do. You care enough about the Karma system to try and keep these new people in check.
Honestly, how long until someone is no longer rated down? What if all someone ever made was new threads that were insightful? Would you keep rating them down to keep them in check? And for how long? 10 posts? 20? 30?
Come tomorrow, I am going to see what has happened to aceofwilds rating. Because like I said before ... if I had not actually made it a glaring point in that other thread, what do you think his rating would be come tomorrow? Would it be even lower than when he began? He got rated back up decently a few hours later ... but would that have happened had someone not been there to make the observation?
Some food for thought.
Edit: Incidentally, I didn't touch a single rating in that thread.
Edited, Wed May 5 22:08:15 2004 by ResidentLune
Hey... where'd Notcoach go anyways... that guy was a trip. ^^
Good post, Lune
Do what now?
Rathius, Guardian of the Glade wrote:
Hey... where'd Notcoach go anyways... that guy was a trip. ^^
Here's his last post:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1078276700182957911#1078303853518635985
Man that sucks... think he's hiding around with a different name?
Yeah I'm 'hijacking' lol. But no need to start another thread if it's been brought up.
I was kinda in a race to pass him up in post count. ^^ But, /sigh, guess I can't really count it now.
Edited, Wed May 5 22:21:43 2004 by Rathius
Yeah I'm 'hijacking' lol. But no need to start another thread if it's been brought up.
I was kinda in a race to pass him up in post count. ^^ But, /sigh, guess I can't really count it now.
Edited, Wed May 5 22:21:43 2004 by Rathius
/sigh
All I gotta say is that I'm completely dissapointed in ffxi.allakhazam.com's forum system. I really didn't even know anything about my "rating" before today, and from all the posts I've read it seems absolutely meaningless.
That mods purposefully tank someone's rating for no reason is just...crazy to me. You're supposed to be the mods, the examples to follow.
I don't know if new user's ratings start at 0 or 3.00, but I've noticed that mine has been dead on 3.00 for awhile now.
I'm much more interested in the actual game than posting messages here, so I could care less what it's at. It's the corruption and the silliness of this whole karma subject that bothers me. All I did was create a thread while I was at work to share some laughs; and I find out someone's actually lowered my rating because people were rating me well.
To make a long story short, based on my experience today I don't see a reason to ever create a new thread in any of ffxi.allakhazam.com's forums. It's just not worth the freakin grief.
Thanks to all for their support though, and good luck with this whole karma thing...I hope you can teach the mods what it actually means.
All I gotta say is that I'm completely dissapointed in ffxi.allakhazam.com's forum system. I really didn't even know anything about my "rating" before today, and from all the posts I've read it seems absolutely meaningless.
That mods purposefully tank someone's rating for no reason is just...crazy to me. You're supposed to be the mods, the examples to follow.
I don't know if new user's ratings start at 0 or 3.00, but I've noticed that mine has been dead on 3.00 for awhile now.
I'm much more interested in the actual game than posting messages here, so I could care less what it's at. It's the corruption and the silliness of this whole karma subject that bothers me. All I did was create a thread while I was at work to share some laughs; and I find out someone's actually lowered my rating because people were rating me well.
To make a long story short, based on my experience today I don't see a reason to ever create a new thread in any of ffxi.allakhazam.com's forums. It's just not worth the freakin grief.
Thanks to all for their support though, and good luck with this whole karma thing...I hope you can teach the mods what it actually means.
aceofwilds wrote:
/sigh
All I gotta say is that I'm completely dissapointed in ffxi.allakhazam.com's forum system. I really didn't even know anything about my "rating" before today, and from all the posts I've read it seems absolutely meaningless.
That mods purposefully tank someone's rating for no reason is just...crazy to me. You're supposed to be the mods, the examples to follow.
I don't know if new user's ratings start at 0 or 3.00, but I've noticed that mine has been dead on 3.00 for awhile now.
I'm much more interested in the actual game than posting messages here, so I could care less what it's at. It's the corruption and the silliness of this whole karma subject that bothers me. All I did was create a thread while I was at work to share some laughs; and I find out someone's actually lowered my rating because people were rating me well.
To make a long story short, based on my experience today I don't see a reason to ever create a new thread in any of ffxi.allakhazam.com's forums. It's just not worth the freakin grief.
Thanks to all for their support though, and good luck with this whole karma thing...I hope you can teach the mods what it actually means.
All I gotta say is that I'm completely dissapointed in ffxi.allakhazam.com's forum system. I really didn't even know anything about my "rating" before today, and from all the posts I've read it seems absolutely meaningless.
That mods purposefully tank someone's rating for no reason is just...crazy to me. You're supposed to be the mods, the examples to follow.
I don't know if new user's ratings start at 0 or 3.00, but I've noticed that mine has been dead on 3.00 for awhile now.
I'm much more interested in the actual game than posting messages here, so I could care less what it's at. It's the corruption and the silliness of this whole karma subject that bothers me. All I did was create a thread while I was at work to share some laughs; and I find out someone's actually lowered my rating because people were rating me well.
To make a long story short, based on my experience today I don't see a reason to ever create a new thread in any of ffxi.allakhazam.com's forums. It's just not worth the freakin grief.
Thanks to all for their support though, and good luck with this whole karma thing...I hope you can teach the mods what it actually means.
The mods/admins aren't doing it. The karma system is supposed to allow posters to rate each other, not as a way for admins to control what gets posted. As for the 3.00 rating, that's the default that everyone starts out with. Usually people don't start going above that until 10-20 posts. There was an extreme reaction against your sudden jump in rating on your "CNN" posts, not necessarily because people didn't think you deserve a good rating, but simply because there was apprehension against another 20 post Guru. I was one of those 20 post Gurus, so please don't take offense. I think the idea behind the system is that people who have been here awhile and contributed greatly get to make their way through the ranks. Recent karma trolls of both the negative and positive sort have completely thrown the system out of whack. We're trying to slowly get things back to normal, but it takes time. I'm sorry that you got caught up in it, and I'll admit that I was one of the people who rated you as "decent" rather than "excellent". I didn't want you to have to fear posting in the main forum like I did during my short lived Guru status. If you feel my actions were inappropriate, feel free to rate me down in return. At this point, it is best not to judge the forum based on the karma system alone.
/M
Edit: How in the hell do you spell "whack" ?
Edited, Thu May 6 00:05:12 2004 by Meabh
aceofwilds;
Here's some links that will help to describe what we were trying to avoid.
Yes, I really am sick of the karma.
Read these threads from the place where they load, and you'll see that the karma debate, once added to about 65% of the threads it enters, does in fact hijack the thread. The rest of these threads are specifically about karma.
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1083799167107587944
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=108379070238181436#1083797199195501564
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=108376419699793390
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1083767233338832845#1083771857290014883
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1083685881166984088
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1083655577791282693#1083662626775169598
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1083658973791756373#108366285175437894
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1083194338116031721083195655121606190
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1083460944125329848#10835212243004660
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=10833492404170723#1083362975824976124
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1069171087760455338
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1083166958309216417#1083179338126537350
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1080248365399491325
Read the entire thing, even if it takes you a week. The origin of this entire issue can be found there, and there are around 15-20 times when the subject of ratings comes up. I'd suggest against giving this thread a rating, since it has been Nuked twice already, and even an awful rating brings it up.
Or for the short, (but not nearly as descriptive), version:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1080248365399491325&page=8#1082484759553427325
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1082125991519507104
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1081255165323968711#1081357152123404339
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1080914390658385601#108091683798101660
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=108087917275161995
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1080844241557349909
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1079881053518597845
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1079731257773641024#1079740617177773153
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=107967698716515360
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1083180950740307356
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1083131248233157211
This is when I lost hope for the karma system.
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1083131248233157211
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1082533903669075912&num=21#1082600036838552750
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1082342566202997956
Read the last post of this, as it is directly related to what happened today.
Well, having seen your current entry, I'll stop there.
I've been refreshing this page for a while as I was doing my research.
I've barely scratched the surface of the posts about karma.
I'm taking the blame for what happened, but there were others involved, and I wasn't the one that started it. The point was to stop the karma crap from resurfacing, as it's what caused us all to leave this board in the first place.
My comment, "Several of us have been trying to keep another Instant-Guru free-for-all from taking over this board when he/she reaches 10 posts.", wasn't about you. It was referring to the crap that comes around whenever someone hits a title in a hurry.
This board has looked like **** for a while now, and it's the karma system that did it.
By the way, I sent this email to Allakhazham a week ago:
If you don't believe me, send one yourself to ask, or post the question on the Feedback Forum. I gave you the link on this thread.
I'm sorry this happened this way, but we are tired of seeing this forum go to ****.
I'm also very sorry to have derailed your thread, but people should be able to post around it. Apparently that no longer happens here, but it used to be common practice.
Do keep in mind though, that I do read everything posted in my journal, and since it has no affect on ratings to Nuke in a journal, I will nuke indiscriminately, and that there, I can see your IP.
(EDITED by Danalog, just fixed the thread view, no content editing)
Edited, Thu May 6 00:35:20 2004 by Danalog
Here's some links that will help to describe what we were trying to avoid.
Yes, I really am sick of the karma.
Read these threads from the place where they load, and you'll see that the karma debate, once added to about 65% of the threads it enters, does in fact hijack the thread. The rest of these threads are specifically about karma.
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1083799167107587944
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=108379070238181436#1083797199195501564
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=108376419699793390
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1083767233338832845#1083771857290014883
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1083685881166984088
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1083655577791282693#1083662626775169598
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1083658973791756373#108366285175437894
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1083194338116031721083195655121606190
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1083460944125329848#10835212243004660
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=10833492404170723#1083362975824976124
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1069171087760455338
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1083166958309216417#1083179338126537350
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1080248365399491325
Read the entire thing, even if it takes you a week. The origin of this entire issue can be found there, and there are around 15-20 times when the subject of ratings comes up. I'd suggest against giving this thread a rating, since it has been Nuked twice already, and even an awful rating brings it up.
Or for the short, (but not nearly as descriptive), version:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1080248365399491325&page=8#1082484759553427325
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1082125991519507104
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1081255165323968711#1081357152123404339
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1080914390658385601#108091683798101660
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=108087917275161995
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1080844241557349909
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1079881053518597845
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1079731257773641024#1079740617177773153
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=107967698716515360
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1083180950740307356
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1083131248233157211
This is when I lost hope for the karma system.
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1083131248233157211
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1082533903669075912&num=21#1082600036838552750
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1082342566202997956
Read the last post of this, as it is directly related to what happened today.
Well, having seen your current entry, I'll stop there.
I've been refreshing this page for a while as I was doing my research.
I've barely scratched the surface of the posts about karma.
I'm taking the blame for what happened, but there were others involved, and I wasn't the one that started it. The point was to stop the karma crap from resurfacing, as it's what caused us all to leave this board in the first place.
My comment, "Several of us have been trying to keep another Instant-Guru free-for-all from taking over this board when he/she reaches 10 posts.", wasn't about you. It was referring to the crap that comes around whenever someone hits a title in a hurry.
This board has looked like **** for a while now, and it's the karma system that did it.
By the way, I sent this email to Allakhazham a week ago:
From: REMOVED To: "Allakhazam" <allakhazam@allakhazam.com> Subject: SUPER IMPORTENT THREAD and the creation of new forums. Date: Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:48 PM I'd just like point out that the "FFXI Off Topic Forum" was created several hours before the topic of Nuking the OMG!!! thread came up, (as can be seen in the "First Post" thread by looking at the post time). Most of us that were at the original problem thread have moved on to the new one in my journal, where kharma is no longer even an issue. Speaking of kharma, I was rated 3.76-3.78 before the rating mess started, and you can rate me back down to there if my rating has become a problem. http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1080248365399491325&page=8#1082486745112241284 I'm not the only one that is willing to take a reset on the rating. AlienOne and Meabh have announced that they would be glad to do this as well. Meabh has even been asking people to rate her down from Guru to Scholar; she was a Sage the last time I checked. I'm sorry if we caused any trouble, but we had no idea that this new forum was even there, and as you can see, though it is being used some, we are for the most part keeping secluded in an unposted journal, (where the rating problem will no longer be an issue). Anyone is welcome to contribute of course, (yourself included). We've already hooked Danalog. I'll still be posting on the main board, but only about on-topic subjects, unless it's in a thread that is already there, like my Kefka thread or Karg's video and music threads. Again, I'm sorry to cause you any trouble, and please keep up the good work. This site is far more interesting than any of the other FFXI boards I have visited, and that's the real reason I went for the premium membership. :-)
If you don't believe me, send one yourself to ask, or post the question on the Feedback Forum. I gave you the link on this thread.
I'm sorry this happened this way, but we are tired of seeing this forum go to ****.
I'm also very sorry to have derailed your thread, but people should be able to post around it. Apparently that no longer happens here, but it used to be common practice.
Do keep in mind though, that I do read everything posted in my journal, and since it has no affect on ratings to Nuke in a journal, I will nuke indiscriminately, and that there, I can see your IP.
(EDITED by Danalog, just fixed the thread view, no content editing)
Edited, Thu May 6 00:35:20 2004 by Danalog
Tcht...
Those wonderful [[b][/b]pre] tags have broken this thread.
Those wonderful [[b][/b]pre] tags have broken this thread.
Maybe add some enters into the [ pre ] text?
Edit: Thanks Danalog!
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Aceofwilds, You're right, our actions in rating you down simply because of people rating you up are suspicious. See Lady's post below why we overreacted the way we did. My apologies to you and I hope you stay with us here in the forum. ^_^
/smacks hand.
No karma rating! No! Bad!
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20 post Guru: Someone who reaches Guru status generally before they've reached 50 posts, I believe. I reached it around 30 posts. From what I hear, it had a lot to do with my cute avatar (appreciated, but not a good reason to rate someone up). ^_^
Edited, Thu May 6 00:44:11 2004 by Meabh
Edit: Thanks Danalog!
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Aceofwilds, You're right, our actions in rating you down simply because of people rating you up are suspicious. See Lady's post below why we overreacted the way we did. My apologies to you and I hope you stay with us here in the forum. ^_^
/smacks hand.
No karma rating! No! Bad!
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20 post Guru: Someone who reaches Guru status generally before they've reached 50 posts, I believe. I reached it around 30 posts. From what I hear, it had a lot to do with my cute avatar (appreciated, but not a good reason to rate someone up). ^_^
Edited, Thu May 6 00:44:11 2004 by Meabh
Quote:
The mods/admins aren't doing it. The karma system is supposed to allow posters to rate each other, not as a way for admins to control what gets posted. As for the 3.00 rating, that's the default that everyone starts out with. Usually people don't start going above that until 10-20 posts. There was an extreme reaction against your sudden jump in rating on your "CNN" posts, not necessarily because people didn't think you deserve a good rating, but simply because there was apprehension against another 20 post Guru. I was one of those 20 post Gurus, so please don't take offense. I think the idea behind the system is that people who have been here awhile and contributed greatly get to make their way through the ranks. Recent karma trolls of both the negative and positive sort have completely thrown the system out of whack. We're trying to slowly get things back to normal, but it takes time. I'm sorry that you got caught up in it, and I'll admit that I was one of the people who rated you as "decent" rather than "excellent". I didn't want you to have to fear posting in the main forum like I did during my short lived Guru status. If you feel my actions were inappropriate, feel free to rate me down in return. At this point, it is best not to judge the forum based on the karma system alone.
Awesome, well I'm glad it's not the actual mods that are doing this. Thanks for your reply Meabh...though I still don't know what a "20 post guru" is and what if anything it gains me. As for you rating me as Decent, I have no problem whatsoever with you doing so if you thought the post was only Decent. If you rated it as Decent to keep my rating low or to lower it...then I find that suspect.
This just seems be some absurd power war between high posters and new posters...and it's really kinda pathetic. I understand the concept of the rating system and I think it's a fantastic concept...but not when higher posters take deliberate actions to keep new people low.
As I said I don't know what a "20 post guru" is, so whatever incredible change happens by attaining that status I assure you I'm not aware or interested in it. It seems to me then that since the default is 3.00 that effectively all the positive rating I've received has been cancled out by the actions taken by a couple high posters. If that's true then THAT is messed up. (Of course it could also be that really is indeed the average of the ratings I've received...I haven't gone back through and calculated it).
As for ME rating you down...I wouldn't think of it. I appreciate your response. I haven't submitted any ratings yet positive or negative. Not even against "Lady" who seems hell bent on being my nemesis. If someone posts something like "blah", then I can see rating them down. Conversely if someone posts something that answers a burning question I've had (or merely something I enjoy reading), I can see rating them up.
I see no other situation where I would ever rate anyone.
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