UBERLINK.. And the Samoth Factor..Follow

Hey There, Kwijiboe here.

Just figured I'd do a follow up with a new thread, Samoth, dude, what's up with you man? What is your problem? What's your "deal"?

I am not playing this game to help everyone, I've helped a lot, and Uberlink has helped a lot as well. We're not out there to help everyone that asks for it. Your situation is bad, I'll give you that, but you're just making it worse. Stop acting like a kid, and listen to more sides of the story.

Okay, here's my angle..

::First experience with Samoth::

My Ls mate, by the name of Chronos, is helping a fellow LS member to attain some bomb coal from Garlaige to break the Lv50 barrier. I go to help chronos, because now is he not only helping 1 person he's helping a team of people get their items. One is Samoth, the elvaan dragoon.

I show up, and we start going after some bombs, I ask everyone to use their TP only for stunning, and the Dragoon of course, (Samoth), starts spamming Pentathrust, The bomb blows up and I'm dead, Died as a level 65 sam and took a big Exp loss. I was done, I was no longer motivated to help, and for good reason. Samoth just simply didn't give a ****, he felt his needs were more important, me dying didn't mean **** to him. I said I was done helping, and everyone was fine with it, even those that hadn't yet attained the bomb coal we're like "Whoa, I can't believe he died." I got tells from the other members saying "Thank you for helping, sorry you died."
..and a few moments later I see
Samoth>> "Hey don't leave, I need my bomb coal."

Having died, I wasn't really up for dying again. So I said no, and left. He continued to tell me, I kept saying no, not caring about my time or my exp loss.

::Second experience with Samoth::

Ah, this one was interesting.

So I'm in Castle Zvahl Baileys with a party trying to attain testimonies for the Lv70 maat barrier, more specifically, a samurai testimony for my job. It's just us 6 guys, when one of the members says "Hey, is it ok if we help a group kill dark spark?" No one has a problem with it, we say, ok, when they get here, we'll help.

So later on, they arrive and we escape and meet them outside, I didn't want to die or have to waste time fighting a train of demons. So naturally, I took charge, I told them what to do, many listened, many didn't. So it's natural to get frustrated and bark orders, so what? I barked orders so no one would die, and because of that.. NO ONE DIED.

On the way to the bomb NM, I asked everyone to stay back near the paladin, they kept moving and engaging monsters, which wasn't to big of a deal, I wouldn't have been that mad about it, but when I asked why they hadn't stayed back, I get a smart *** remark from Samoth saying:
"If you would have told us why to stay back, maybe we would have"

Why do I have to explain? Just listen to me, I'm there to help you, and you treat me like an idiot. I didn't even have to reply, the other parties leader told Samoth to knock it off.

Later, Samoth is warpII'ed from the party because he was being a pain in the neck. Hell, I thought that was cool as hell, I'll admit it, he didn't deserve to be there. But I didn't ask for it to happen, the BLM leader of the other party did that at his/her own will. Ok, we kill dark spark, everyone's happy and everyone goes home.

I'd say about... 10 minutes later I get a tell from Samoth, I'll admit, he was reasonable. He was in a state of shock, as in, "Why did this happen to me?" I didn't feel pity for what had happened to him, I felt he shouldn't have lashed back at me, but did I ask him to get warped? No, I didn't ask for that to happen, but it did.

So, Samoth, ease up man, cool ur jets, stop listing names and showing grudges. I belive you stated something around the terms, 'stop acting like your l33t or kewl it's just a game.' C'mon, practice what you preach. Stop your fighting and cool it, because man, if you want to get harassed, you will be. Now I don't hate you, but you've treated me and my Linkshell really bad. In all of the situations you listed, save the korroloka PT one, Uberlink was in a situation to "Help" you. Remember that.

Now, this is me telling what happened, and I didn't call you a **** or make you look like an idiot. I just said what happened, but what the funny thing is, the only person you will end up making look like an idiot.. well.. is you.

So have fun with that, keep showing grudges, make your game life harder. Show a little courtesy when people go out of there way to help you, and if things don't go your way, try another day. You'll get your AF gloves someday, that night just wasn't your night. As for calling our whole linkshell a group of ****'s, now that's just wrong, Why don't you target your aggression on who you hate, be it me or the blm Mxer. I am not a ****, and I, sir, am f**king pissed you called me or any of my friends and players *****. Uberlink has a lot of great players of all types of personality, that being said, I won't be the one bashing you, I'll leave that up to some of the others.

-Kwijiboe, out.

Just an observation, Kwijiboe. If the other people from your Linkshell invading AK actually worded their posts like you do, let alone didn't post responses such as "RESPECT THE ****!" (courtesy of Superthug), let alone made them comprehensible, this probably would be a lot easier to figure out.

As it is at the moment, SamothGaruda has been noticably more rational than your buddies on UberLink.

But, hey, you can't control them any more than I can control a friend of mine. Regardless though, their attitude definitely does not help their image of who to believe, let alone who is more rational about this issue.

Here's my deal with the whole she-bang going on here.

If you are helping someone, it is ASSUMED that you are going to be just as nice as you always are. You don't "bark orders" or get upset or whatever....ever. I mean, getting upset is fine, but don't come in acting all high and mighty. It doesn't matter what level you are, it doesn't matter what you've done, you still have to act like everyone is a human being. And whatever deception occured between the Uberlink party and the BLM who Warped Samoth out...whatever, man. Point is: It shouldn't have happened. Bar none.

Anyways, what I'm getting at is this:

Being humane is the only way to keep yourself out of this "trouble" and name-calling and "propaganda" you've gotten yourself into. The thing is, had you been nice and told Samoth what he wanted to know(Which, as I see it, wasn't all that bad), things would have gone smoothly! So, in the end, even though Samoth might be spreading "propaganda", you and your linkshell brought it upon yourself.

Anyways, just get over it and either 1. Start a new linkshell or 2. Deal with the pain and bad rep.

I don't know if his story quite fits under "without cause." According to his story, he was treated more than unfairly. I don't deny your own rationality - as the poster before said, if your other linkshell mates were half as coherent as you are, there wouldn't be any debate. That being said, your LS mates are flushing any respectable reputation down the toilet. I'm sure you're a decent enough person, and I'm not saying that you're one of the "bad ones."

However, in a forum such as this, pointing fingers can oftentimes get you nowhere. When I read Samoth's original post earlier this afternoon, I was apalled. And then I read your follow-up, and I simply don't know who to believe. I think that if this were truly a case of "picking sides" then my vote would go to Samoth, since Mxer and Superthug in particular seem like complete idiots. However, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and a rate up for being honest and somewhat helpful and understanding to both sides.

Hmmm, I remember studying fixation before I got my first psychological degree. SuperThug keeps using the word "***" basically every other word. Often people elude to items crudely, constantly, and deragtorily when they're trying to draw attention from the fact that they themselves have that particular characteristic.

So basically, what i'm saying is:

Have something to tell us SuperThug? ;)

Don't worry, we're an accepting bunch.

Edited, Wed May 5 02:43:12 2004 by Oceaniax

here are my (worthless) thoughts:

I get the whole bark orders deal. believe me, I've tried telling 16 n00bs (despite anything they've achieved) how to do Eco-Warrior. I get bossy because I know how to do it and they do not. So I tell them. Telling people how to do something always pisses them off for some reason. As for me, I LOVE being told how to do something right. Next time I do Eco-Warrior or something similiar I am going to try to work on my "do this because so-and-so will happen if you don't" leadership skills. I tried it last time, "do this or we'll die," but that didn't work TOO effectively; however, I heard zero complaints after I got them all 5k and the Dragon Chronicles.

And this whole mess is why I am not a big fan of taking help for quests and missions really. I have received help from a PAL with my magicked skull, but it was his idea and I just tagged along.

If and when I do get "help" with AF missions or whatever, it will be from higher level friends I have made during the game. Preferably not some random *****. Any tard with a PC can be level 65 now. I am sure we all know a few.

This is all silly and I am glad to be on Odin, dumba$$e$.

SuperThug and Mxer have both posted on the post about this topic too. They are both of Uberlink, and show their true colors a bit more. I would actually believe Kwijiboe's sincerity with his post here if it wasn't for the fact that I witnessed him cheering and complinenting after the deliberate last minute removal of someone from a group that was half formed to get their AF.


If you don't want to go and help people, and you want to be an ******* as forementioned. Fine. Go ahead. Its totally your choice. But for entering a group doing a quest, which you where uneeded for (granted, this was probably a miscommunication because no one in the group was asked if we wanted more help on this. If it was asked, the group would have decided against it as we where fully prepared and snea/invis 12 people with limited mages is hard), and then attemping to take over and ordering the existing people around causes confusion and dislike.

Samoth was in full right to ask you to explain yourself. We where established in our group and doing well. Then the whole gameplan changed when your group came in. The small train that happened was because some people got left behind do to the confusion of previously trying to invis/sneak people through... where when the new group came in, Kwij and one other where running far ahead and pulling everything.

Being extra help in a PT does not qualify you as leader of the party. What was created was chaos. And in no way where Samoth's comments "smart ***." Not only where they non-synical, but nothing was said for several minutes before Mxer begged for him to be warped out. It was clear that it was deliberately waited for him to be right before dark spark and then warped as their where no conflicts at the time.

I will repeat my only comment that I made before I insta-warped myself out of the party. "Some people need to get their heads out of their asses." If you don't know what I meant by that, I will say so now.

LVL and Gear and being the "help" does not make you almighty. If it did, I was fully in the right to boss these people around too as I was the extra help going along. Realize your place in the society and stop trying to be the rolemodels that you are only in your own thoughts.

Easy to answer. I'm a college student and it takes time to do well. College is a major time sink, even more then FF though that may be hard to believe. Also, when I finished my AF chest, I stopped playing FF for a while to try other games and am currently applying for betas to new MMORPG.

Obviously you missed my point. Have good (or bad as you say) gear does not make you a good player. Having achieved whatever it is your saying you achieved here doesn't mean anything either.

Your attitude is what ruins you as anything near what I and many would call a good player. You are a classic example of what makes the high lvl snert stereotypes.
Just reading what you post makes my head hurt, wondering how someone can seriously think this. What sad is that I don't think your faking either... you seem to actually think this way.
FF is not just exp, loot, quest. To be a good player, you have to have the right apptitude to go along with the flow of the society and other people. Other people are part of this game whether you believe it or not. That is why with the way you act, you are below par a newbie begging for money and powerlvls.
Go play some other game, noob.

Edited, Wed May 5 03:26:39 2004 by BrookieDragon

Can you type coherently? Or do you just not give a crap? :P