ChrisMattern wrote:
FFGamer wrote:
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OMG i hate parties with PLs!! i know im in the minority here but people thing a PL is a tank!!! ITS NOT DAMMIT, they cant control hate worth a damn because they dont give out any damage etc. so i voke so that when then PL loses hate it comes back to me instead of the Mage or THF etc, all i get from the rest of the pt (lead by Rayan) is:
party :"dont provoke off the PL!"
me: "pl isnt a tank it cant keep hate"
other member: "lol yes it is"
haha, in dunes, yes a PL can be a tank, I do it all the time on rdm, it works like this, the mages/melee's take hate>>> I cure that DMG,and get alot of hate, coming from each member, and then its easy sailing from there on. But yeah, you lose hate every so often,and have to recure a few people, but PL tank is very easy to do.
Of course it's easy; we all know the Dark Side is easier. Quicker. But not stronger. Parties that let the PL tank in the Dunes get no evasion skillups. Tanks don't learn how to tank (and, yes, you need to learn how to tank for each new job; NINs don't tank anything like PLDs do). "Recure a few people"? When the PLer loses hate (which he *will* do, because he can't do anything to hold hate once he has it) the mob will head straight for the DDs. Straight for the BLM, if you have one. If the BLM gets one-shotted, recuring doesn't help much. That's unlikely, granted, but can you recure fast enough to keep him from being two-shotted, which is much more likely? Frankly, I hate PLs to begin with, and would be happy to never be in PL'd party again.
Pl'ing is simple, as the levels get higher of the pt you are Pl'ing tho,it does get harder, but dont come off rude to me about how 'easy" it is. here is how you do it, have the WAR or tank,voke at the beginning,that makes it easy for like 1.4th hp,then it attacks the mages most likely, boo hoo cure II and I got hate back. and its very easy, cure when its needed = hate
the people in the pt can tanke alot of DMG,and I can cure that DMG, resulting in basically the same hate they get(but wait I actually get more since the mob turns to me). my fave way to do it tho, Is to have the tank voke at the beginning, then get near half HP, then I cure 2 him,bam instant hate spike. when that wears off and it attacks the mages, I cure the mage and bam hates back, course thats for newb partys like dunes,in other areas (qufim jungles etc) when I lose hate,the tank will voke when it goes for the mages,and lose hp,and I cure him at half life again,and repeat that process for easy pl tanking.
Or you can just PL and not tank, hell you can do this with pt's very close to your level , long as you dont take hate.
Last thing is, in 'ok" partys there is alot of damage thrown around,and the WHM cant get it all, so i get what the whm does,and what they cant,therefore giving me easy hate keeping abilities.
As you stated though, it does harm the pt's "skill growth" and skill levels, making them worse in the long run,but meh,sometimes its exp> skill lvling, only way i see this bad,is helping underskilled pt's (dunes has alot of this). and people with weapons/magic 5-10 skill levels below cap, as the WHM can still cure, the PLD can still hit the mob, and everything can go on as normal.it really isnt hard for a whm to cure someone before I do, besides,you dpnt have to be curing like a maniac for skill ups. sure sure PL is bad because of skill level loss,but this is mainly for the WHM only,as other jobs do not do "the pl job" healing,and whm can still throw out cures.
this is my opinion, so disagree with me thats cool,anyways
pro's
easy curing
usually no deaths
saves whm MP( whm can still cure, just wont be doing as much)
con's
hinders whm's healing skill level pace
will most likely hurt PLD,as they dont heal -too- much in the first place.
waste of PL's time unless being payed XD,but nice people will usually go for free
thats my thoughts on the issue, as for yours,yeah PL's can be bad in a pt, usually in good PT's,but bad ones dwindling on a thread,or dont have enough cures going around, or taking too much dmg, a PL can keep that together, at the loss of WHM and PLD's healing skill.
yep, PL is bad in the long term. but can be a great help in the short.
Edited, Wed May 17 16:29:11 2006 by FFGamer