How to make a Paladin happyFollow

Great post!

Something else: you paladins please don't be afraid to tell us white mages how to heal or if we're healing too much. The first time I played with a pld I healed him like I would any other tank. He didn't say anything.

I was curious about paladins so I read a little more on them and my face turned red. Everytime I play with a pld I usually ask them to give me feedback on my healing rates.

Honestly I'm there to learn and to be a better player so for me any feedback from any class is more than welcome ;D

Wait, back up! Why can't a paladin be a good back up healer, I've been a warrior for 26 levels now and have had much trouble getting a party overall. Wouldn't a paladin whm be a better combo for parties???

paladins are in no capacity a back-up healer. they are punching bags and hate control. simple as that.

you could be a back-up healer if you wish just dont expect many party invites. people want paladins to tank, not heal. youre not a mage.

also you cant voke. thus making your vitality boosts null and void. basically theyre bags of poo. ive partied with one or two before... man that was messy

Edited, Thu Mar 4 14:01:45 2004 by TheClansman

I see, looks I still have much to learn...thanks all...

I would just like to say that I have read this post when it was first created. The tactics are sound and when I join parties I have used the doctrines set forth by Russian.

All I can say is my parties are extremely happy with my performance, I am a Gulka Paladin/Warrior and take a beating like few others I have seen. I am able to maintain hate approx. 95% of the time (exceptions are overnuking blm, whm who used Curaga to wake all members of the party repeatedly during fights etc.)

I am still a lower level paladin (level 33 at the moment) and have concentrated heavily on mp boosting items. My mp pool without equipment is around 57. I get a +53 mp bonus from my equipment for an adjusted pool of 110mp. I am not sure how my mp stands up against my Elvaan or Hume paladin counterparts. I have what I consider decent mp now, a sound defense, and a great vitality. Next purchase will be a +2 Vitality ring and I can foresee an Electrum ring on the horizon.

I have digressed, but wanted to give a huge THANK YOU to Russian and also Bushy who have written numerous sound and logical posts.
I consider them to be my authority on how I should be playing my part in a group. What Russian has posted here simply works, and works very very well.

Gorlim
Server - Diablos
Galka Paladin/Warrior

Edited, Tue Apr 27 17:20:06 2004 by GorlimR

one thing i'd like to add is the puller needs a ranged weapon. when pullers use provoke sometimes my provoke doesn't stick the first time. rangers make my job soooooooo much easier.

Bump :)

hi,



the formation would change a bit after you reach Lv30-ish with Trick Attack thiefs in a party. my typical formations are like:
T(HF), P(LD), S(ubTank), M(ages, etc), (m)O(b)
i)
T P O S MMM

ii)
S
O MMM
P
T

the latter works especially good with Exorays; unless a BLM (possibly) overnukes on a mob, the mob never flips to mages to spray silent gas.

... i'm feeling the same with your reason 2, but wonder if reason 1 is so obvious or not. (unlike PCs, the mob movements are rather free without restrictions/constraints, they'd move while they are flipping and casting spells.) target locking directs the PC, so reason 3 had never been a problem (my default for target lock is off, though)
for reason 4; i wouldn't tell the sub tank but i provoke if i think i have enough hate on myself.

one of the major differences between a pld and a war is MP; if your party has a bard, you may be asked to stand closer to mages for ballad (mp refreshing song). depending on the party member jobs and the preference (of bard's, actually), you might need to stand at "S" in my formation i). observe the party members action and mobs, and try to find something that improves the situation.

and cover... in my experiece the jobs to be carefully watched is bard, ranger, and whm (esp. at lower levels.) sometimes dark knight, too. or in Crawlers Nest at around Lv43-45, all mages to be covered when those elementals get aggro to them.
i'd say asking those players to run behind a PLD is the easiest, but there are times when you need to move regardless of that. they're mostly the accidents, not a regular "cover" usage like covering a ranger after he/she used sidewinder at the beginning of a battle (i may ask him to stop doing like that, though)

i'd stop here, trying not to add too much to this good thread.

Edited, Fri Mar 5 04:47:25 2004 by dougns

thanks for the good input :D

and yes, this thread is my go to resource for tanking info. Very well done thread full of good information.

Just to add to All WARS 27-33 is tough but worth it since all other wars start to become advanced classes at 30 you will start to get party invites like crazy. I get invites even when I am not seeking and no matter what sub job I have selected.


Yes the lonely war starts to feel mad love at later levels woot woot almost like when I level my whm hehehehehehe.

just shut up and voke. >=}