Manual Dodge RequestFollow

If your Manual Dodging QUIT IT. Stop, decease, desist, etc.

Are you retarded? Do you like giving your group a hard time, do you like looking like an amateur.

But i dont get hit as much you say.

/slap

Sure maybe you dont get hit as much but you look silly and aggravate the people in a group with you to no end. To steal a line from Chris Rock, i can drive a car with my feet, it works but that doesnt make it a good F*&kin idea.

On behalf of not only all Thieves but also everyone with common sense
/slap <t>

dude... wtf? Its a game... why the hostility? Perhaps next time you should take a few deep breaths, maybe smoke or drink something to calm your nerves and then collaborate a decent post rather than a flame. Some people manual dodge, some don't.. it doesn't help reduce HP in anyway shape or form though. You'll still take the same damage as if you hadn't moved at all. Therefore, I can understand where you're coming from... its pointless, why do it?

However, lets look at it from the other POV. I think the only class that this would effect would be a thief when partied because you have some skill that must be used in a certain location of the mob (such as sneak attack you have to be directly behind the mob). However, if you're solo... manual dodging or holding still holds no difference except you can see surrounding NPC's and stay on the look out for possible agro'ing mobs if you rotate around the mob you're fighting. As far as parties go... lets see how manual dodging effects different jobs:

White Mage: May be hard to lock onto "Manual Dodging" target to cast cure.

Black Mage: Uhm... nothing unless you're trying to cast protect on the dodger.

Red Mage: See white and black mage.

Thief: Highly effects Sneak attack and other Job abilities.

Monk: None.

Warrior: None, can always provoke if it needs the mob's attention.

The rest of the jobs I cannot speak for because I haven't gotten to play with them at all. Currently highest character is a lvl 16 monk, so if there are some abilities that I did not list that are effected, please inform me otherwise.

Edited, Thu Jan 22 17:21:15 2004 by ElvaanKrem

lol, calm down. It's a game remember? No need to go /slapping people all the time. ^_^

Personally, I don't think it does any good, but what's wrong with running around (Manual dodging if you must) the monster for a little fun when you're soloing? It's fun and gives you something to do besides sit there and watch the monster hit and get hit.

Also, how does it affect anyone else in a group besides the Thief (Sneak attack abilities)? Any mage worth his/her salt either has Cure Macro'd to each member of the group (<p1>, <p2>, etc), or uses the function keys to target players. Plus, the monster will stay in the same spot so it won't affect tank's smashing of said monster. The only problem for tanks is that it's slightly harder to tell if one of the mages pulled aggro.

Of course all of my arguments are assuming the dodger's only running circles(or dodging to the sides), and not backing up/moving forward. That can really ***** up the whole party, there. But if they're not doing that, and there's no thief in the group, what harm can it do?

Edited, Fri Jan 23 13:45:08 2004 by AvatarAndy

"Manual Dodging" and I used that term loosely hurts skillchains too. Its harder to see when the person in front of you is starting their skillchain if you have someone running around. Of course if you are in a party with a manual dodger and haven't told then to stand still, I don't think your group would be advanced enough to even pull off a skillchain.

Yup, summing up the previous posters:

Manual Dodging affects these:

1.) Primary concern is Thief of course, it royally screws up Sneak Attack. This might not be much of a concern at lower levels, but once Thief get Fudama (Trick Attack + Sneak Attack), if you're a tank, you're gonna WANT the Thief to land it. It gives immense aggro to the tank. By ******** this up, you are doing yourself and your party a disservice.

2.) Seeing aggro. When the tank is running around like an idiot, it sometimes is very hard to see if the mob has lost aggro from the tank to someone else. This is especially true in heavily crowded places where lag tends to kick in; this can be very irritating.

3.) Renkei/Skillchain. The mob constantly moving around royally screws up timing for Skillchains, and at the very worst case, produces the most undesirable result: loss of TP for nothing. You don't know how FRUSTRATING it is to have 300% TP built up and it's all gone because you get the message "XXXX is too far away."

4.) You're not hitting much as the "Manual Dodger", which means you aren't building up nearly as much aggro. This isn't exactly helping anyone. Doing this is also irritating in a heavily lagged area, as your screen is now moving around wildly as the rest of us try to keep up with you...

5.) You look absolutely stupid. No offense, I'm not bashing you if you want to do it solo, but in a PT, it just looks pretty dumb I'm sorry to say. :(

my issue isn't with manual dodging, its with fucct. EXCUSE me for not conforming to the way YOU play final fantasy. I preffer not to use my mouse to look around... I don't touch my mouse when in ffxi. I can hold shift and use arrow keys but I don't like that method as much. Also, if I were the one manual dodging, why would the tank be moving? If it were a half intelligent party, it would surround the mob so no matter who it rotated, they could stand there and keep whacking it. Again, I do not manually dodge when partied... but I will move if someone's standing in my way. Is that still ok? or does that give the mob an unfair advantage too? ooo nooo... don't /slap me... I don't think I can handle that much text... and a /pimpslap.. wow, you would really take the extra four key stroke effort to extend the same effect.

Typing in all caps doesn't prove your point, or make it even the slightest bit more convincing.

Hey Alienone, didn't you know that CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL!!!11 ;)

Fuctt, you should be on my server to slap all the tards I meet. Props for pointing out the manual dodgers... This is as stated why I stopped using my THF job. I'm having to live the nightmare again as a 30NIN/15THF. A missed sneak attack or two is the diffrence of a life or even a party wipe out FYI. Plus it wastes the WHM's mana for the extended battle. Do it solo to your heart's content, but please dont od it in PTs.

LOL...edited to SNEAK ATTACK /pimpslap the manual dodgers while they are circling monsters.

Edited, Fri Jan 23 15:37:08 2004 by Arclite

LMAO....HEY..AM I COOL NOW?

(Bah, i had a decent sized rant typed up here and IE crashed. /slaps self)

First off, I should have learned by now NEVER to feed the troll, unless you want your hand bitten. Only way to kill trolls is by starvation. You'd thing that my falling rating here would teach me that, but Noooo.

In response to your last post, Fucttt, I think you should reread your original post. "If your Manual Dodging QUIT IT. Stop, decease, desist, etc." Does that say "only when grouping" anywhere? So I think we're justified in our comments.

Next, I admit I made a few mistakes. I didn't know about the Cover ability that Paladins get. That's another place where moving can ***** the group up. Thanks to AlthornCS for pointing that out.

Skillchains are another time when moving's not a good idea. It's hard to focus in on you to see when you're using the skill, so the next person in the chain/magic burster can get screwed up. Thanks to XtreemeChaos and Asherek for pointing that out.

Also, moving around doesn't affect how many hits you get in. You still swing your weapon of choice if your moving or not. It even has a seperate little animation if your moving when you start the swing. It's pretty neat looking when my Taru's swinging his sword sideways on that crawler's side. ^_^ I wonder what it'll look like with a spear?

Last, but not least, /slap Fucttt. Hmm, that feels pretty good. I can see why you do it so much. ^_^
(I still haven't learned my lesson about trolls, have I? ^_^ I can see my rating going down the tube. I'm just so dang contrary!)