This was a reply to a previous post, but I thought it deserved a special mention in a subject all its own.
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What is this "know how to provoke" thing?
You either use it or you don't.
I think what the other class types need to also keep in mind is that once you use provoke, you can't use it again immediately. If I use provoke and you cure 2 me (whm) or dd the mob (blm) and it gets pissed off, prepare to run your litte taru asses off.
Opps! That was stereotyping wasn't it. Not every mage is a Taru. Sorry.
Anyway, you get my point I hope. Effective use of provoke begins with a warrior that has a macro and knows to use it when aggro has been diverted to a fragile class.
Part 2 of that equation is establishing some type of provoke order before the #@*% gets heavy, so you don't have 2+ people voking all at once, so one is not available next time it's needed.
The other part of the equation is other classes knowing voke isn't available again immediately after use. specially if only 1 voker in group!
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hey moron. we saw this exact response in the other thread. you want a gold medal for this mediocre post or something???
true, and not so true. It depends on your party type and what role you play.
if you are the main tank then your duty is to use provoke EVERY time it refreshes to build up aggro and keep the mob on you.
if your party is weak and has a number of warriors who need to share the aggro then yes, you rotate provokes to get the mobs off the mages when needed.
**note** any party who cant use the 1 main tank method post 25 is simply weak and should be shunned by all competent people.
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Effective use of provoke begins with a warrior that has a macro and knows to use it when aggro has been diverted to a fragile class.
true, and not so true. It depends on your party type and what role you play.
if you are the main tank then your duty is to use provoke EVERY time it refreshes to build up aggro and keep the mob on you.
if your party is weak and has a number of warriors who need to share the aggro then yes, you rotate provokes to get the mobs off the mages when needed.
**note** any party who cant use the 1 main tank method post 25 is simply weak and should be shunned by all competent people.
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Wow. Not too friendly this forum I've noticed.
As a BLM I am sitting there knowing that my next big spell is going to pull aggro onto me. I also know the tank has provoke ready because he hasn't used it yet. At this point 2 things can happen.
Either I use the nuke, aggro gets pulled to me. I take one hit. A few melee characters miss attacks because the mob moved. Then the Warrior provokes it.
Or the Warrior uses provoke, I use my spell. The Warrior keeps aggro the whole time. I don't get hit. The melee characters don't miss attacks.
If I am in a decent group the tank provokes right after I get aggro.
If I am in a great group the tank provokes right before I get aggro.
When the main tank is provoking every 30 seconds I can time my spells for maximum damage efficiency. Any less then that and I am doing less damage per second. It may be scary for tanks to not have provoke ready for emergencies but you'll just have to trust that I won't overnuke.
Edited, Wed Jan 21 16:21:17 2004 by Lutha
Either I use the nuke, aggro gets pulled to me. I take one hit. A few melee characters miss attacks because the mob moved. Then the Warrior provokes it.
Or the Warrior uses provoke, I use my spell. The Warrior keeps aggro the whole time. I don't get hit. The melee characters don't miss attacks.
If I am in a decent group the tank provokes right after I get aggro.
If I am in a great group the tank provokes right before I get aggro.
When the main tank is provoking every 30 seconds I can time my spells for maximum damage efficiency. Any less then that and I am doing less damage per second. It may be scary for tanks to not have provoke ready for emergencies but you'll just have to trust that I won't overnuke.
Edited, Wed Jan 21 16:21:17 2004 by Lutha
Lutha, you nailed it for us BLMs. But the thing is, while we have the luxury of timing spells to coincide with voke, whms have to heal when they have to heal. This is why, imo, it's important for those other pt members that have voke, not to use it until the mob goes for a caster. Then, that melee can suffer a few rounds (much better than a caster anyway) until the MT can pull it off or regain aggro via casting spells/dmg.
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Well said Lutha, and a side not to go along with that. Use provoke to control the battle and be proactive. If you save Provoke and use it as a reactionary tool then you are saving it for the exception of the battle, not the consistant. A good tank should always have another trick or two up his sleeves to gain aggro back after a mage pulls aggro by accident. If you as the tank are doing your job well, then you shouldn't have much more hate to build to pull your prey back to you from after a mage nukes or heals.
PS: The way a Warrior uses Provoke, and the way a Paladin uses Provoke can be very different, just something else to keep in mind.
Edited, Wed Jan 21 16:50:55 2004 by MentatBOB
PS: The way a Warrior uses Provoke, and the way a Paladin uses Provoke can be very different, just something else to keep in mind.
Edited, Wed Jan 21 16:50:55 2004 by MentatBOB
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