@ Beastmasters & Rangers!Follow

Not trying to be mean, but due to the last few groups I've been in with a ranger or beastmaster, I feel I must say this...

*No one invites you to a group for your melee skill!*

You shouldn't have to be told to do your job as it should be played. And no excuses like "but then i gotz to go find a pet" or "but arrows are sooo expensive". If you can't afford ammo, choose another profession.

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ahhh... i feel better now ^^

oh sure, do whatever u want when you are soloing. but if i'm in a team that invites a ranger, it's because we need someone who can dish out good damage. now in said team, if a ranger shows up and goes melee - then he is holding us back. and again, people can and should do what they enjoy - but with the exception of when it is bringing down thier teammates. when i'm in whm mode and i feel like attacking, i don't stop healing people so i can banish and annoy the mob with the slight tingling my club must cause.

Edited, Wed Jan 21 06:26:01 2004 by wheatpuff

Ok you want my BST to use charm to help in a fight well then. You give me the five minutes i need to run half way across the zone to find a even mob then run back. After that ill be happy to let my pet fight for a while but oddly enough i think youll ***** even more about holding you back and down time then. So dont complain unless you are sure you want the BST to do what you want him to

...Arrows ARE expensive -_-
And I suspect your not paying for my services so I'll spell out what This newb-ranger expects:

I go through a stack of arrows every 2 hours of play, on average. 500gil of that is spent to put them cheap bolts back. (we're not even talking quivers)

If I dont see myself making good xp or at least some money to put back a little of what I spent, Im not wasting the ammo OR risking a monsters hate.

If your the kinda party leader who says "dont lott, so we can watch what few valueables we get drop because I couldent find enough braincells to clean my inventory before comming here, tee`hee ^^;; "
Then please dont send me an invite.

While I do agree that there is no excuse for 'arrows are so expensive' (then don't be a ranger), there is no reason for a ranger to not melee. There are often times when you can get in a shot or two between bow shots, and the extra TP doesn't hurt. Also, as rangers begin doing bigger and bigger damage with WS's and abilities they may need to hold off on shooting to let their hate cool down a little bit. During this time they can either 1)Sit there and doing nothing, or 2)Melee and get some TP.

So, melee is fine for rangers, as long as it isn't *in place* of shooting arrows.

A Ranger without arrows? It's like a Ninja without Shihei for Utsusemi or White without Cure spell. Bah, my Ranger friend go through about 8K for every 2 hours. If you're not ready for making money for your arrows then don't party up. It only gives you bad name in the server. Eventually, no one will invite you.

Every Job cost about the same amount of moneys if you play the Job to its extreme.

As a ranger, if you ever, ever, EVER, have to hold back arrow shots because of the cost, then you shouldnt be playing a ranger.

As far as pulling, i try to pull every chance i get. The problem is that most groups wont let me. They want the warrior to pull with voke /boggle. Its pretty funny though, ive gotten into more than a few arguments with warriors over who should pull. In the end i just challenge them to a contest. Whoever can bring in the next 5 mobs without getting hit on the incoming gets the job.

Any warrior pulling with provoke loses this contest pretty quickly because i have much greater range on my bow. Often times, the mages are so used to throwing a cure on the person pulling when they get into camp, that i often have to speak up and point out that im not getting hit on the incoming and that heal they throw on me when i get incamp isnt doing anything but getting them unecessary aggro.

Plus, a ranger pulling will do damage to the mob before it even gets to the camp which is also a plus. Only time i stay in melee range is:

A.) The aggro is ping ponging between me and the tanks, so i move into melee range so they dont miss attacks when the mob runs for me.

B.) There is a bard in the group

C.) im at 94%+ TP and need a quick boost to perform a WS.

Sometimes, being a damage dealer that is outside melee range can save the group in the case of AE's. Sleep is a perfect example.

To a Beastmasters credit, the few times i have pt'd with beastmasters, the rest of the group gets upset when they go off to find a tameable mob. Its really a catch 22, the group wants the damage but doesnt want to spend the time to get it. Its like, why did you invite a beast then?>

Edited, Wed Jan 21 15:45:00 2004 by Jowaa

When someones inventory is full, they are the only ones that cant recieve items on auto-lot. Its just something in the game code that displays the "item lost" to everyone in the group rather than just the person with the full inventory. So when you see "do not meet the requirements to obtain" "item lost" and you check your inventory and see you have room, dont worry. All you are getting is a group message meant for that one person.


Now you know.....and knowing is half the battle..

GI JOOOOEEEEEE



Edited, Thu Jan 22 10:24:20 2004 by Jowaa

I think the point is that the item is lost .. period.

Recently I had a PT where a mithril beastcoin was lost because someone refused to shuffle inven (we had been having lost items for the previous 10 mins).

Logically I know that all this really means that someone was allocated the item (who was not me) and he chose to throw it away rather than keep it because he was lazy.

However, all my heart sees is someone throwing away 1000+ gil into the mud and not letting anyone pick it up because he doesn't like lotting. I haven't started PTing with my ranger yet - but that would infuriate me even more after popping off 2000 gil in arrows just to be in the fight.