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Edited, Thu Jan 15 09:34:58 2004 by ZianWarrior
The very first wasnt even complaining, he saw a problem to him, offered some solutions, asked if it might have been addressed etc.
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ZianWarrior wrote:
Thats what the beta test was for. To find things and make the game more user friendly.
Are you really that dilusional or is this your 1st MMORPG? I have a suggestion for you my friend.
So deal with it. Just because it takes a little more effort on our part to ask for something better doesnt make you any smarter. We are accustomed to being demanding and making things better. STOP BEING A FLAMER. and use a few more brain cells then what you would like. GEESH.
I love this game and hate The USER INTERFACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hahaha you people get worked up over such little things. Stop picking my post apart. I understand that people want to make it better. But honestly its not that bad.
Hate is such a strong word notcoach. I see that you constantly post on here too. So if you HATE the interface so bad. THen stop playing it until they fix the problems you see with it.
Hate is such a strong word notcoach. I see that you constantly post on here too. So if you HATE the interface so bad. THen stop playing it until they fix the problems you see with it.
ZianWarrior wrote:
hahaha you people get worked up over such little things. Stop picking my post apart. I understand that people want to make it better. But honestly its not that bad.
Hate is such a strong word notcoach. I see that you constantly post on here too. So if you HATE the interface so bad. THen stop playing it until they fix the problems you see with it.
Hate is such a strong word notcoach. I see that you constantly post on here too. So if you HATE the interface so bad. THen stop playing it until they fix the problems you see with it.
I hate work and paying my taxes. Guess Ill stop doing those things to. Thanks for the advice. Can I name you as a codefendent when the IRS comes calling? I also suggest you never come on here posting about something you dont like in the game. Your words will come back to haunt you. The reason people are picking you apart is because you come onto a constructive thread calling everyone whiners. You want respect? Dont post or keep it simple. Like: I like the UI. Hope they dont change it. That so hard?
I never said it was the end of the world, and i doubt anybody is either. I'm having fun with this game, but i can't stand the interface and chat window, and like any good customer, i'm going to be making a statement with what really counts, my wallet, so i'll most likely be leaving when my free month is up. I'm jsut pointing out what my issues are, if you don't agree, then tough ******** I don't care. There are dozens of games out there, and more coming out, most of all Lineage 2 and EQ2 that i'm looking forward to.
It's no big deal with me, a month of play out of this game is still a good deal. This game was never meant to be a replacement of my life, but they would have had one longer customer here if the interface and chat window wasn't so limited and cumbersome.
It's no big deal with me, a month of play out of this game is still a good deal. This game was never meant to be a replacement of my life, but they would have had one longer customer here if the interface and chat window wasn't so limited and cumbersome.
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Hate is such a strong word notcoach. I see that you constantly post on here too. So if you HATE the interface so bad. THen stop playing it until they fix the problems you see with it.
What the hell is with your issue and people quiting the game just because they dno't like something? Do people need to be absolutely in love with every aspect of a game to enjoy it?
Alright man, I wanted to see how fast it would take it for me to get flamed. Sorry that I wasted your time and everything. I am new to the boards and I wanted to see how serious it is. So I apologize for misleading people into thinking that I am a moron.
The UI is good. IMO I hope they dont change it.
;) that is for you NotCoach.
Sorry I will delete my last posts because I dont want to be flamed anymore HAHA!!
The UI is good. IMO I hope they dont change it.
;) that is for you NotCoach.
Sorry I will delete my last posts because I dont want to be flamed anymore HAHA!!
Ok . . well I play on a laptop, and it took some getting used too, however I am ok now. I use the compact keyboard configuration.
asdw are my movement keys, and the arrow keys control my camera.
I target with the Enter, and TAB keys, and use the R key for auto run.
IMHO the mouse is next to useless.
1: The camera swings away? from the side you move the pointer to???
2: The damned cursor (whether in Hardware, or Software mode) apears, and dissapears randomly as it moves so it's really hard to track.
And now for a couple questions.
When I am sorting my Inventory is there any way to move over to the little Window on the right (Auto/Manual menu) without using the mouse?
When I am in combat the arrow keys control my combat menu. Is there any way besides the mouse to change my camera angle while in combat?
asdw are my movement keys, and the arrow keys control my camera.
I target with the Enter, and TAB keys, and use the R key for auto run.
IMHO the mouse is next to useless.
1: The camera swings away? from the side you move the pointer to???
2: The damned cursor (whether in Hardware, or Software mode) apears, and dissapears randomly as it moves so it's really hard to track.
And now for a couple questions.
When I am sorting my Inventory is there any way to move over to the little Window on the right (Auto/Manual menu) without using the mouse?
When I am in combat the arrow keys control my combat menu. Is there any way besides the mouse to change my camera angle while in combat?
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When I am sorting my Inventory is there any way to move over to the little Window on the right (Auto/Manual menu) without using the mouse?
Use the + key... i've always used the + key on the numpad, and since you're using a notebook, i'm not sure if the + key will work. Worth it to give it a shot i guess.
To change camera while in battle I use SHIFT + Arrow keys, I believe you can do this while in menus as well, works nicely.
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It irks me to see the number of people complaining User Interface in the context of the input devices. It is completly and 100% possiable to become as accurate with the keyboard as you are with the mouse given enough time, practice, and effort.
However, it takes FAR more effort and energy to do this than it would be if there were a mouse.
Anyway, just clearing up the disinformation regarding the incapability of the interface vs the users incabability.
You sir have absolutely no clue about what you are talking about. There is no possible way you can spin around using a keyboard as quickly as someone with a mouse and a locked camera. Just isn't possible with the current UI. I can more accurately move and do it twice as fast as someone with a keyboard with such a mode.
The keyboard movement is not 50% as accurate as a mouse+camera lock. I could face rear and front before you could make a reverse view even if you used the back arrow, went FP view and flipped back to non-FP view.
I actually did find a "half-way" locked camera mode. If you use the forward movement key, then use the arrows left or right the camera stays locked horizontal but not vertical. So they could easily add a locked camera mode.
Anyway, I didn't start this to get into an argument about what style is better. I use the existing system because I have to, not because I like it. I'd like to have a system I could use that would allow me to use mouse like I do in EQ or Ao or several other types of games. I doubt it will affect the keyboard users in the least if I do that, so why are they so vehement about it... mouse envy! =) (thats humor for those that need it spelled out)
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The keyboard movement is not 50% as accurate as a mouse+camera lock. I could face rear and front before you could make a reverse view even if you used the back arrow, went FP view and flipped back to non-FP view.
I actually did find a "half-way" locked camera mode. If you use the forward movement key, then use the arrows left or right the camera stays locked horizontal but not vertical. So they could easily add a locked camera mode.
Anyway, I didn't start this to get into an argument about what style is better. I use the existing system because I have to, not because I like it. I'd like to have a system I could use that would allow me to use mouse like I do in EQ or Ao or several other types of games. I doubt it will affect the keyboard users in the least if I do that, so why are they so vehement about it... mouse envy! =) (thats humor for those that need it spelled out)
I actually did find a "half-way" locked camera mode. If you use the forward movement key, then use the arrows left or right the camera stays locked horizontal but not vertical. So they could easily add a locked camera mode.
Anyway, I didn't start this to get into an argument about what style is better. I use the existing system because I have to, not because I like it. I'd like to have a system I could use that would allow me to use mouse like I do in EQ or Ao or several other types of games. I doubt it will affect the keyboard users in the least if I do that, so why are they so vehement about it... mouse envy! =) (thats humor for those that need it spelled out)
I personally couldn't care less about how bad the game is with a mouse because I'm using a controller as the designers intended, and with a controller camera control is simply not an issue at all. I mean come on, a controller is what, $30?? You payed $50 for the game and $13 a month for the service what's $30? More PC games should use a controller, a controller was (get this) designed for controlling games.
As for keyboards, what the person described isn't nearly as intuitive as just using two sticks. And autorun risks overshooting your target and running into a mob (I've seen it countless times)
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I thought of it first:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
I use the controller just fine... at least till 20, when i started to group more. ALthough it's possible to use a controller in a group, it just isn't as effective as keyboard/mouse. When you're in a situation, the last thing you want to do is cycle through macros. And lets not even mention about needing to actually type things such as when there are adds are when to bail.
And although this game was created for use of a controller, that's it's downfall. MMORPGs are by nature very communal and require interacting with other people. As a console game, this is a great game. But as a MMORPG, i think it's just decent. They obviously port it to a PC for a purpose, which i'm assuming it's to allow PC players to play. And PC players normally use mouse/keyboards. If i wanted to use a controller, i would have stuck with the PS2 version.
You know, i just realized the reason grouping in this game probably blows so much... it's because people are using controllers.
And although this game was created for use of a controller, that's it's downfall. MMORPGs are by nature very communal and require interacting with other people. As a console game, this is a great game. But as a MMORPG, i think it's just decent. They obviously port it to a PC for a purpose, which i'm assuming it's to allow PC players to play. And PC players normally use mouse/keyboards. If i wanted to use a controller, i would have stuck with the PS2 version.
You know, i just realized the reason grouping in this game probably blows so much... it's because people are using controllers.
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I personally couldn't care less about how bad the game is with a mouse because I'm using a controller as the designers intended, and with a controller camera control is simply not an issue at all. I mean come on, a controller is what, $30??
I bought a nostromo.n45 controller. Guess what, blows. I cannot configure it to deal with the camera controls. Dpad for movement works fine cause I have to configure, get this, keyboard keys... However, after digging around the net I could find no docs on FFXI and the nostromo.n45 profiles.
Yet another wasted 20 bucks on another worthless controller. I'll toss it into the pile with the speedpads, thumb mice, floating mice and other game devices I've bought over the years. It would be amazingling nice if FFXI had some sort of config for controllers no? But, I guess it's my fault I bought the "wrong" one now.
It would just be nice if someday I could turn on a game that worked with what I had the way I'd like it to. If someone has a clue how to configure a nostromo.n45 to work with FFXI please email me or something. Best I can do is get movement and without camera control it's useless, wouldn't be totally useless if I had a LOCKED CAMERA MODE.
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I personally couldn't care less about how bad the game is with a mouse because I'm using a controller as the designers intended
Where does it say this in the owners manual we all recieve with the game? It doesnt. Every indication in that manual is for KB and mouse.
Maybe its because I play on a laptop, but if you change the keyboard config to compact, it's REALLY easy to use once you get use to it. Took about 2 or 3 days to get the hang of it, but now, I spin target, switich targets, camera, whatever. Another thing, take the stupid auto lock off. You can engage and disengage at will...it's soooo much better. Quick get aways are actually quick now and switching targets is a breeze, and I always hit my home key if I want a quick realign. The compact keyboard config really keeps everything in reach, espeically if you have delicate fingers :)
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You sir have absolutely no clue about what you are talking about. There is no possible way you can spin around using a keyboard as quickly as someone with a mouse and a locked camera. Just isn't possible with the current UI. I can more accurately move and do it twice as fast as someone with a keyboard with such a mode.
Comming from someone who is obviously having a great deal of trouble getting used to the kboard, your comments realy dont hold much value.
I should have added that my comments are within the context of FFXI. I am in my way insinuating that you would be able to achieve the same level of control needed in a FPS. But just incase you didnt notice FFXI is NOT an FPS, thus not as much control is needed. There is adaquate control in FFXI using the kboard and once you are able to use the keyboard proficiently, you will be as efficent with ingame movment a if you were using a mouse. There will be no noticiable differance in your game play. That was my point.
As has been pointed out... Controler designed game? How can you say that, because it was made on a console oringally. Why would someone make a game that 'requires' you to use both a keyboard and a controler. Seems a lil redundant to me... Keyboard for chat, Controler for movement. Put down controler, type, pick controler up.
I seriously doubt any MMORPG is designed originally with a controler as the 'standard' means of control. Especially since a keyboard is essential for communications.
I seriously doubt any MMORPG is designed originally with a controler as the 'standard' means of control. Especially since a keyboard is essential for communications.
To anyone vaguely capiable of logical deduction FFXI was primarely designed to employ the Keyboard as the primary means of user input. This can be clearly seen by the fact that a large part of the game is in communicating between people. Communication is not viable with a gamepad. Case and point.
The argument that a Gamepad is better was simply fabricated to make the console users that were avid FFXI fans feel better about them selves. And well sadly, most console users are in the lower age bracket and usual earn them self a ... "colorful" reputation.
Regarding my post above; i thought i should give those who are fumeing at the ears and spammign thes forums because they cant use the kboard some simple but usful tips.
Firstly, make a /target (for soloing) or /assist macro (for grouping).
Secondly use the target lock (Autoface) key "*" this will automaticaly turn you to face your enemy and maintain your focus on the target. This is usful for locating the target, quickly moving to it, and positioning your self around the mob.
Thirdly switch between First Person and Third Person perspectives as often as required. First person is good for scanning areas with your targeting macro. Third Person is good for scouting areas.
And lastly, make /ja /ws and /ma macros for your abilities so you can quickly initiate them without having to waste time navigating through the GUI. Timing is imperative when preforming skill chains, and provoking.
Anyway, just some usful tips. Tho i doubt it will stop people whining.
The argument that a Gamepad is better was simply fabricated to make the console users that were avid FFXI fans feel better about them selves. And well sadly, most console users are in the lower age bracket and usual earn them self a ... "colorful" reputation.
Regarding my post above; i thought i should give those who are fumeing at the ears and spammign thes forums because they cant use the kboard some simple but usful tips.
Firstly, make a /target (for soloing) or /assist macro (for grouping).
Secondly use the target lock (Autoface) key "*" this will automaticaly turn you to face your enemy and maintain your focus on the target. This is usful for locating the target, quickly moving to it, and positioning your self around the mob.
Thirdly switch between First Person and Third Person perspectives as often as required. First person is good for scanning areas with your targeting macro. Third Person is good for scouting areas.
And lastly, make /ja /ws and /ma macros for your abilities so you can quickly initiate them without having to waste time navigating through the GUI. Timing is imperative when preforming skill chains, and provoking.
Anyway, just some usful tips. Tho i doubt it will stop people whining.
Let's do a comparison in straight up NUMBERS and EFFECTIVENESS
CONTROLLER (default):
Target/Menu Navigation: D-Pad
Movement: Left Analog
Camera: Right Analog
Menu: Triangle
Confirm: Circle
Cancel: X
Chat Log/Select Window: Square
Macro Menus: L1 / R1
Auto-run: L2
Screenshot: R2
Goto POL viewer: L3
Heal: R3
View Mode: Start
Clear Screen: Select
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COMPACT KEYBOARD (My layout):
Target: TAB / Shift+TAB / F8
Movement: ESDF (E forward, D Backwards, etc)| LEFT HAND
Camera: Arrow Keys or IJKL | RIGHT HAND
Menu Navigation: Arrow Keys or IJKL
Menu: - (on numpad)
Confirm: W (next to E) or Enter
Cancel: X (below S) or ESC
Chat Log/Select Window: + (on numpad)
Macro Menus: ALT / CTRL
Auto-run: R (next to E)
Goto POL viewer: None
Heal: H
View Mode: V (below F) or 5 (on numpad)
Clear Screen: ]
Screenshot: [
Oh wait, there's more!!!
Extremely Useful ones: CTRL/ALT+
-Attack = Q (or target and hit W/Enter twice)
-Ranged Attack = A (Im a ranger, next to S)
-!!Chat = Space
-!!Items = I (easy autosort)
-!!Job Abilities (For super easy access to timers)= P
-!!CHECK!! (Oh my god this one helps so much, I check mobs very very often) = C
-Equipment = O
-!!Reply (to /tell) = R
Not so useful due to Macros:
-Walk Toggle = Z
-Magic = M
-Weapon Skills = U
-Pet Commands = N
-Call for help = G (easier than through the menu)
MOUSE NOT USED AT ALL
So all and all I have 26 on keyboard vs 14 on the controller. I can do almost all I want at a touch of a button. People refuse to give compact keyboard mode a chance. All my most used keys are within ONE letter from my movement keys, JUST ONE! Take a look at your keyboard and youll see. I can run while typing with autorun without hitting walls and stuff because there is nothing to put down when I want type, which in a party is very often.
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CONTROLLER (default):
Target/Menu Navigation: D-Pad
Movement: Left Analog
Camera: Right Analog
Menu: Triangle
Confirm: Circle
Cancel: X
Chat Log/Select Window: Square
Macro Menus: L1 / R1
Auto-run: L2
Screenshot: R2
Goto POL viewer: L3
Heal: R3
View Mode: Start
Clear Screen: Select
VS.
COMPACT KEYBOARD (My layout):
Target: TAB / Shift+TAB / F8
Movement: ESDF (E forward, D Backwards, etc)| LEFT HAND
Camera: Arrow Keys or IJKL | RIGHT HAND
Menu Navigation: Arrow Keys or IJKL
Menu: - (on numpad)
Confirm: W (next to E) or Enter
Cancel: X (below S) or ESC
Chat Log/Select Window: + (on numpad)
Macro Menus: ALT / CTRL
Auto-run: R (next to E)
Goto POL viewer: None
Heal: H
View Mode: V (below F) or 5 (on numpad)
Clear Screen: ]
Screenshot: [
Oh wait, there's more!!!
Extremely Useful ones: CTRL/ALT+
-Attack = Q (or target and hit W/Enter twice)
-Ranged Attack = A (Im a ranger, next to S)
-!!Chat = Space
-!!Items = I (easy autosort)
-!!Job Abilities (For super easy access to timers)= P
-!!CHECK!! (Oh my god this one helps so much, I check mobs very very often) = C
-Equipment = O
-!!Reply (to /tell) = R
Not so useful due to Macros:
-Walk Toggle = Z
-Magic = M
-Weapon Skills = U
-Pet Commands = N
-Call for help = G (easier than through the menu)
MOUSE NOT USED AT ALL
So all and all I have 26 on keyboard vs 14 on the controller. I can do almost all I want at a touch of a button. People refuse to give compact keyboard mode a chance. All my most used keys are within ONE letter from my movement keys, JUST ONE! Take a look at your keyboard and youll see. I can run while typing with autorun without hitting walls and stuff because there is nothing to put down when I want type, which in a party is very often.
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I dont know how people COULDENT turn to compact keyboard mode it was one of the very first things i did 30mins into playing FFXI.
I dont know how people COULDENT turn to compact keyboard mode it was one of the very first things i did 30mins into playing FFXI.
I like the UI. Hope they dont change it. One thing i did think that would be useful though would be skill titles. Like novice armorsmith or master blackasmith or something like that. So when you can find something in the AH you want you can find someone who might be willing to make it for you. Everything else is perfect and this change wouldn't change game play.
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Comming from someone who is obviously having a great deal of trouble getting used to the kboard, your comments realy dont hold much value.
Where in my post did I say I had trouble getting used to the keyboard? I said clearly that the problem was that the keyboard less accurate than the mouse+locked camera.
I am quite adept at using the keyboard system, that doesn't mean I like it. If I wasn't capable of using it I'd have given up a long time ago.
Yes, I use FP view and the "outside view" often, and often to get the damn camera to line up on what I'm facing quicker. The system just is slow and sluggish and would be more user friendly for some of us if it had a locked mode and followed one spot on the character.
I've used compact and non-compact mode. I perfer the non-compact cause the compact mode requires you to not have a target when using some of the single press keys. They also give you the impression you can reconfigure some of the keys. I tried to move "call for help" from "G" to "O" so I wouldnt press it by mistake when using "H" for heal. Well, it didn't work.
Anyway, just would be nice to have some options other than what exist. I'm not asking anyone else to change. I just know the folks I've played with complain about the UI more than anything. I certainly have some "ease of use" with the UI.
I'd rather focus on the game play then the painful UI.
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I bought a nostromo.n45 controller. Guess what, blows. I cannot configure it to deal with the camera controls. Dpad for movement works fine cause I have to configure, get this, keyboard keys... However, after digging around the net I could find no docs on FFXI and the nostromo.n45 profiles.
I had that particular controller about a year and a half ago and it blew, so I took it back. There are really only two options for a gamepad on the PC, a Logitech Wingman Rumblepad or a PS2->PC gamepad adaptor. The rest of them are all garbage for some reason (even Logitech's cheaper pads are junk)
Final Fantasy XI 12-14-11 Update wrote:
Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.
I thought of it first:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
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