^^ werd, kahlyn.. i completely agree. wish we were on the same server.
atherisch
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I agree on linkshells. I lucked out; my friend and I bought one at the biggining, and he has found quality people through a charisma he never knew he had (being WHM helped). I've been dinking around doing actual worthwhile things like plot, quests, gardening and some crafting, but that means that for levelling everyone's gone on ahead and can help me out with tips. They're also beginning to lap me, which will make finding people for Khazam much easier. Of course, when I get back from vacation I may have to wait for their third time around.
I got the game the second day it was released and up until hitting 30 for the first time with my MNK, I was one of the higher NA players. And if any of you played like that, you know that everyone you pt'd with was new to teh game and we all figured it out together, and everyone was happy. I go and do a few adv jobs at lvl 30 and settle for ninja after some experimenting. Coming back up thru Valkurm and Quifim, i had an advantage, I was a adv job. I'd say that 20% of the people playing in alkurm and Quifim were adv jobs too, and we had reign. Sometmes I wsa the only adv job in teh party, and this was the first time in those areas for the rest. So I barked orders at them and told them how to play their respective jobs properly, and they lsitened. I've molded many a player that way. Yeah, occationally I would run into the jackasses who thought they knew what they were doing, bt it was obvious they didn't, but for the most part people respected me b/c of my adv job. If I was lucky, i'd get a PLD or DRG in there with me and we would back each other up b/c we both knew our stuff.
Moral is: When you lvl up a subjob, its alot easier to tel the newbs what to do, b/c they know you've done it all before.
Moral is: When you lvl up a subjob, its alot easier to tel the newbs what to do, b/c they know you've done it all before.
Well as far as the main topic goes, If there were a good solo class(at least one that's available to my lvl 18 mnk, hehe), then I would choose that rather than a bad party.
Most windurstians from levels 12-18 choose to level up in the Shakrami Maze. Maze Makers are easy and give lots of xp, right? Well, the maze isn't a good place for a bad group. After getting my butt handed to me over and over by idiots training ghouls or hundreds of gobs, or "accidently" attacking a bat, I decided to get the heck outta there.
That's when I found the buburimu peninsula. Sure there are IT gobs that love to aggro me, but play it safe and you'll have a lot of fun there. After sitting on lvl 14 for a long time, I got with the right group and started leveling like crazy! Even if we only had a rdm for healing, we were able to chain the easier enemies to about chain #6 and get plenty of xp. Eventually we were even able to chain Zus!
Not only that, but when I hit 18 the other night, I asked a high level thief to help us out, and he said sure. Went around killing the bogeys and dhalmels for us, took about 10 minutes.
So my point in all this? If you can find a good group, and a good place to level, it can be really fun and profitable. Ask friends that seem to just "get it" and form a party with them. Try different areas that aren't always so crowded with the people that DON'T get it.
Anyway, time to level my subjob and prove that I'm not just another newbie ;)
Most windurstians from levels 12-18 choose to level up in the Shakrami Maze. Maze Makers are easy and give lots of xp, right? Well, the maze isn't a good place for a bad group. After getting my butt handed to me over and over by idiots training ghouls or hundreds of gobs, or "accidently" attacking a bat, I decided to get the heck outta there.
That's when I found the buburimu peninsula. Sure there are IT gobs that love to aggro me, but play it safe and you'll have a lot of fun there. After sitting on lvl 14 for a long time, I got with the right group and started leveling like crazy! Even if we only had a rdm for healing, we were able to chain the easier enemies to about chain #6 and get plenty of xp. Eventually we were even able to chain Zus!
Not only that, but when I hit 18 the other night, I asked a high level thief to help us out, and he said sure. Went around killing the bogeys and dhalmels for us, took about 10 minutes.
So my point in all this? If you can find a good group, and a good place to level, it can be really fun and profitable. Ask friends that seem to just "get it" and form a party with them. Try different areas that aren't always so crowded with the people that DON'T get it.
Anyway, time to level my subjob and prove that I'm not just another newbie ;)
Scholar
29 posts
people with advanced job aren't necessary experienced player. As I have stated, there are still quite a number of advanced class that think Renki was all talk >.< and they can be asses sometimes THINKING they know what they are doing. They might have an advance job, but unless they played the job you are playing, they have no right to tell you what to do =.= (you hear that you lousy dragoons? :P)
If you are the sole mage in a group, do the basic enfeeble even if they tell you not to. Paralyze DOES make a difference, assuming the enemy will paralyze at least twice per cast, you just saved yourself 8-48 mp (depending on how hard they hit), don't listen to what the dragoon say, they never tank anyhow, so they don't care if the warr-pally dies >.<
If you are the sole mage in a group, do the basic enfeeble even if they tell you not to. Paralyze DOES make a difference, assuming the enemy will paralyze at least twice per cast, you just saved yourself 8-48 mp (depending on how hard they hit), don't listen to what the dragoon say, they never tank anyhow, so they don't care if the warr-pally dies >.<
Some things you can do about bad groups or no groups.
If your in a bad group, leave.
If you have no group, couple of things you can do.
1. Spend an extra dollar and solo a RDM during off peak hours. I play both a taru whm, and a elvaan rdm. Both 25. The taru can barely solo an easy con and live. The Elvaan rdm killed an even con forest tiger today, got jumped by a tough lightning element, was able to sleep the elemental, kill the even tiger and get away. RDM are built to solo. If your two cheap to pay the extra dollar, just switch jobs.
2. If you don't want to solo, I suggest you start making friends. Anytime you run into a good group, ask to add them to your friend list. I've been doing this since I started grouping at 10th. At any one time, I can call anyone on my list to party up. Also, calling for a raise, if not abused, is easy to manage too. Finally the ones I really like and party with multiple times, I invite into my Linkshell.
3. Start your own group. Be a Leader. Set the rules, set the tone, recruit people and do the leg work, see what' it's like to be in the captains seat. It takes a certain kind of metal. DO YOU GOT IT PUNK???
4. Finally, if your not the leader type, and it's okay, most aren't, nothing wrong with that, toss up your flag during Japanese times. That's around 6am to 12pm EST. Hopefully, a japanese team will pick you up. Learn to use the translator, or mime alot :). Have to say, whatever we NA know, they know 10 times as much. Best NA group chained landworms for 150 a pop. The last JA group chained ambicromes for 250 pop. I was like WTF!!! I was relieved when they pulled in a giant...ment I could take it easy.
Thing is, the game is really well designed and balanced. It's got alot of avenues for you to group. Thing is, you have to put in the work. If you don't...well, there's always Evercrap.
-Morq & Mookie, 25rdm/12war, 25whm/10blm - Gilgamesh
If your in a bad group, leave.
If you have no group, couple of things you can do.
1. Spend an extra dollar and solo a RDM during off peak hours. I play both a taru whm, and a elvaan rdm. Both 25. The taru can barely solo an easy con and live. The Elvaan rdm killed an even con forest tiger today, got jumped by a tough lightning element, was able to sleep the elemental, kill the even tiger and get away. RDM are built to solo. If your two cheap to pay the extra dollar, just switch jobs.
2. If you don't want to solo, I suggest you start making friends. Anytime you run into a good group, ask to add them to your friend list. I've been doing this since I started grouping at 10th. At any one time, I can call anyone on my list to party up. Also, calling for a raise, if not abused, is easy to manage too. Finally the ones I really like and party with multiple times, I invite into my Linkshell.
3. Start your own group. Be a Leader. Set the rules, set the tone, recruit people and do the leg work, see what' it's like to be in the captains seat. It takes a certain kind of metal. DO YOU GOT IT PUNK???
4. Finally, if your not the leader type, and it's okay, most aren't, nothing wrong with that, toss up your flag during Japanese times. That's around 6am to 12pm EST. Hopefully, a japanese team will pick you up. Learn to use the translator, or mime alot :). Have to say, whatever we NA know, they know 10 times as much. Best NA group chained landworms for 150 a pop. The last JA group chained ambicromes for 250 pop. I was like WTF!!! I was relieved when they pulled in a giant...ment I could take it easy.
Thing is, the game is really well designed and balanced. It's got alot of avenues for you to group. Thing is, you have to put in the work. If you don't...well, there's always Evercrap.
-Morq & Mookie, 25rdm/12war, 25whm/10blm - Gilgamesh
also i know some people dont want to spend 10 hrs on a level soloing their way up (exaggeration, it takes less than that) but for everyone complaining about not having enough money, soloing is one way to get it. you get every single drop of crystal and loot.
and its not like you have to do it every time..when you cant get a group, go solo. dont waste 60 minutes then log out in frustration. one thief i met this weekend was heading off to camp lizards for jumping boots..b/c she couldn't find a group in her time limit. that may not be the best fun but she knew what else to do with her game time and everyone wants those boots anyway..either for your char or to make you rich for a while.
some days, it really is bad..no group, bad group, one bad person in an otherwise good group...
other days you'll be glad you stuck with this b/c the levels go flying by and soon you're in an advanced job or two or even going past 40s and 50s (like some NA players are now)
I dont yell at people when I'm not the group leader. In fact when I'm the group leader I dont ever even have to get mad at anyone, as annoying as that is.
Why annoying? Well, its a given that you're going to have bad experiences. But why always when Im not the leader? (ie. able to do something about it)
Usually when I get some ****** that likes to "manual dodge," which causes the thief to miss sneak attack over and over.. Or some moron who finds it extremely difficult to HIT THE F'ING PROVOKE BUTTON EVERY 30 SECONDS.... or someone who's slow as christmas pulling..
I nag them. I nag them over and over, in a polite manner. Every time I see them ***** up, I tell them they are doing something wrong. If they get mad at me, or tell me some of those weak excuses like "Dont tell me how to play my character" or "Dude get off my case"....
I pull out the team speech bomb. I say "I'm only telling you because we're a team, we're not a group of 6 people soloing together, but a team. And we need to work like one"
Me, I'm a big defender of thieves, I played one to 30. I'm so OMGMOTHER*$&%ING TIRED OF PEOPLE MOVING REPEATEDLY AND MESSING ME UP.... Now, I'm a ninja and I dont have to deal with it.. But you better sure as hell believe that when I see the person mess up a sneak attack ONCE for the thief in our group, I will bring it up and ask them to stop moving. And I will continue asking, getting more and more persistant and annoying, the more times they mess it up.
Until the person gets so annoyed, that they leave. But of course, I have a replacement lined up ;)
Why annoying? Well, its a given that you're going to have bad experiences. But why always when Im not the leader? (ie. able to do something about it)
Usually when I get some ****** that likes to "manual dodge," which causes the thief to miss sneak attack over and over.. Or some moron who finds it extremely difficult to HIT THE F'ING PROVOKE BUTTON EVERY 30 SECONDS.... or someone who's slow as christmas pulling..
I nag them. I nag them over and over, in a polite manner. Every time I see them ***** up, I tell them they are doing something wrong. If they get mad at me, or tell me some of those weak excuses like "Dont tell me how to play my character" or "Dude get off my case"....
I pull out the team speech bomb. I say "I'm only telling you because we're a team, we're not a group of 6 people soloing together, but a team. And we need to work like one"
Me, I'm a big defender of thieves, I played one to 30. I'm so OMGMOTHER*$&%ING TIRED OF PEOPLE MOVING REPEATEDLY AND MESSING ME UP.... Now, I'm a ninja and I dont have to deal with it.. But you better sure as hell believe that when I see the person mess up a sneak attack ONCE for the thief in our group, I will bring it up and ask them to stop moving. And I will continue asking, getting more and more persistant and annoying, the more times they mess it up.
Until the person gets so annoyed, that they leave. But of course, I have a replacement lined up ;)
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LOL thought this sounded like the party I was in but i am on syphl server. I am glad to hear I am not the only one getting bad groups. Just a note to all you WAR with voke, use it if the WHM is under attack. Also when WHM or anyone says we better head for a safer area with nightfall coming in (eg. fighting worms/crabs around lake) you s*%# for brains WAR better not say lets get one more, cuz I am not going to stay and give you heals just to die from a banshe or wrigt. Died 4 times today, I never used beni because my party never proved to me that I was worth dying for them. While in Dunes I would die w/beni many times for party cuz they would ROCK and I knew i would get the exp back in no time. Not in Qufim, hard to get in a good party there. Good Luck to you all waiting to hit 20 so you can head to qufim.
21 WHM 8BLM
15 THF 26 WAR
Syphl server
21 WHM 8BLM
15 THF 26 WAR
Syphl server
I keep running into parties with provokers that either absolutely *refuse* to sit still or insist of standing on opposite sides of the mob and then provoke it back and forth. even after I explain that in order to sneak I have to be behind the mob. They just say "sure ok" and then go right back to mob provoke ping-pong or runing around like hyperactive children the next fight so I miss all my sneaks. Then act like I am the one not doing my job when I miss all my sneaks.
"Dude you like, gotta be pulling your weight, you keep missing your specials"
"WELL I WOULD BE ????ING GETTING THEM IF YOU WOULD ????ING STAND STILL ON ONE SIDE OF THE ????ING MOB FOR A CHANGE YOU ????ING TARD" (all caps to reflect my anger and frustration with these retards) There is nothing more frustrating for a thief than a party with tanks that don't know how to do their job.
Edited, Tue Jan 13 02:47:50 2004 by Lobivopis
"Dude you like, gotta be pulling your weight, you keep missing your specials"
"WELL I WOULD BE ????ING GETTING THEM IF YOU WOULD ????ING STAND STILL ON ONE SIDE OF THE ????ING MOB FOR A CHANGE YOU ????ING TARD" (all caps to reflect my anger and frustration with these retards) There is nothing more frustrating for a thief than a party with tanks that don't know how to do their job.
Edited, Tue Jan 13 02:47:50 2004 by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
OK, you guys are scaring the living crap out of me. This thing better not turn into as much a pain in the *** as this thread suggests. Does it at least help that I'm a solid scout/puller/tank (MNK/20/WAR/10)? Will that get me into more reasonable parties? Or do I just have to start one myself and wait for hours for that WHM?
I've made tons of friends but they all play waaay more than me so they're far ahead of me now... And I've slacked off on the linkshell thing. Damn...
Well, Qufim tomorrow, now that I've got my Chocobo and all that.
yurik (Unicorn) MNK/20 WAR/10 -- Windurst
I've made tons of friends but they all play waaay more than me so they're far ahead of me now... And I've slacked off on the linkshell thing. Damn...
Well, Qufim tomorrow, now that I've got my Chocobo and all that.
yurik (Unicorn) MNK/20 WAR/10 -- Windurst
I usually play with my RL friend nowdays, and look for party with him often. Although he for some reason become lvl 40 whm, but he stopped leveling due to the fact that he has quite soem spells missing so I am helping with him getting some cash. My highest level character is still 30, meaning I am missing a fair amount of experience post that level. I have experienced various jobs to see what I like, which job is suited to me. This means I have gone into many groups with different jobs. Since both of us understand japanese (my friend to some extent), here are some things japanese do BEFORE heading to the hunting zone:
1. Check if party members are balanced. There was one time I got invite to a group me being a blm, group was War, blm, blm, whm, whm, brd. War had whm subbed -.- ... Needless to say it was ping pong from one blm to whm. Adequate party structure is 2provokers, 1 main tank, 1 main healer, and so on. I also noticed that to start a group first get 1 main tank and then 2 mages. Decide where you want to go and then fill the rest, will explain later.
2. Look your party members and choose the place to hunt which is good for your level range. Around 30+ there are various places you have to choose from to hunt.
3. Once you know where to hunt, you should check the mob's weakness. For example take Crawler's Nest with 30's group. Crawlers are weak against Distortion effect allong with Ice magic. This means, to be effective you should choose your Renkei to be Distortion, in order for the mages to produce the Ice Magic burst.
This means, your party member MUST be able to do a renkei that can form the Distortion.
Around Qufim, Valks hunting ground its the learning stage of the game (or at least I think it is). I have seen more bad groups than good ones in Qufim. Valkrum is no better. Here are some bad groups I met:
- I was a whm, and the only healer. Group didn't stop pulling even when I was low on mp, and ended up pulling Pugil when we were 14, needless to say wiped and group disbanded.
- I was a blm, and also only healer in the group since I was subbed with a whm. Group decides to pull goblins, since hares were not giving the eye candy BIG EXP CHUNK. Of course my mp was not enough, and not being able to cast CureII group wiped.
- I was thief, ended up tanking myself since warrior didn't provoked what so ever even I told him million times to do so, but he refused on using till it went to the casters. Ended up me being the tank... (couldn't use sneak attack DOH)
- I was a paladin, and ended up being sub healer as well as the main tank since rdm didn't healed and used nukes rather than healing. He said we got a whm and healing is not his job.
Reason for not leaving these groups? I wanted those people who didn't have enough skill to learn by observing better players. Also I wanted to make a bad group into a good group by gaining experience. Ended up me dying more, but some people learned new things and its joyfull seeing them wanted in party in the future because they play good.
If you cannot seem to find good groups, try gathering some small groups of 3-4 and hunt in places where you can find decent-equal mobs. It won't be great exp, but in the end you will have some exp gained with less risk of wiping.
P.S. Recently, its almost impossible to exp in the entrance of the cave in Qufim to hunt Worms. People train all sort of things in there... from Dancing weapons, Wights, Giants, Pugils, Banshees, etc. Worst train I have seen contained 2 Dancing weapons, 5 wights, and 1 banshee heading to jeuno. Ended up with piles of dead people in the Worm hunting area. Same happens in the Tower area in qufim too... Goblin train express to selbina/Latheine zone out in Valkrum Dunes is not surprising eighther. And Now I am hearing Goblin trains in Kazham area is not surprising these days too...
1. Check if party members are balanced. There was one time I got invite to a group me being a blm, group was War, blm, blm, whm, whm, brd. War had whm subbed -.- ... Needless to say it was ping pong from one blm to whm. Adequate party structure is 2provokers, 1 main tank, 1 main healer, and so on. I also noticed that to start a group first get 1 main tank and then 2 mages. Decide where you want to go and then fill the rest, will explain later.
2. Look your party members and choose the place to hunt which is good for your level range. Around 30+ there are various places you have to choose from to hunt.
3. Once you know where to hunt, you should check the mob's weakness. For example take Crawler's Nest with 30's group. Crawlers are weak against Distortion effect allong with Ice magic. This means, to be effective you should choose your Renkei to be Distortion, in order for the mages to produce the Ice Magic burst.
This means, your party member MUST be able to do a renkei that can form the Distortion.
Around Qufim, Valks hunting ground its the learning stage of the game (or at least I think it is). I have seen more bad groups than good ones in Qufim. Valkrum is no better. Here are some bad groups I met:
- I was a whm, and the only healer. Group didn't stop pulling even when I was low on mp, and ended up pulling Pugil when we were 14, needless to say wiped and group disbanded.
- I was a blm, and also only healer in the group since I was subbed with a whm. Group decides to pull goblins, since hares were not giving the eye candy BIG EXP CHUNK. Of course my mp was not enough, and not being able to cast CureII group wiped.
- I was thief, ended up tanking myself since warrior didn't provoked what so ever even I told him million times to do so, but he refused on using till it went to the casters. Ended up me being the tank... (couldn't use sneak attack DOH)
- I was a paladin, and ended up being sub healer as well as the main tank since rdm didn't healed and used nukes rather than healing. He said we got a whm and healing is not his job.
Reason for not leaving these groups? I wanted those people who didn't have enough skill to learn by observing better players. Also I wanted to make a bad group into a good group by gaining experience. Ended up me dying more, but some people learned new things and its joyfull seeing them wanted in party in the future because they play good.
If you cannot seem to find good groups, try gathering some small groups of 3-4 and hunt in places where you can find decent-equal mobs. It won't be great exp, but in the end you will have some exp gained with less risk of wiping.
P.S. Recently, its almost impossible to exp in the entrance of the cave in Qufim to hunt Worms. People train all sort of things in there... from Dancing weapons, Wights, Giants, Pugils, Banshees, etc. Worst train I have seen contained 2 Dancing weapons, 5 wights, and 1 banshee heading to jeuno. Ended up with piles of dead people in the Worm hunting area. Same happens in the Tower area in qufim too... Goblin train express to selbina/Latheine zone out in Valkrum Dunes is not surprising eighther. And Now I am hearing Goblin trains in Kazham area is not surprising these days too...
Scholar
23 posts
interesting, and kinda scary thread. as a mmorpg player of a number of years i have experienced the pain of bad groups in many different flavours (EQ, AC, AC2, AO, DAOC) and it is ALWAYS a pain in the ***.
one thing i wanted to mention, and maybe folks will flame me for this, is the way people in FFXI have been speaking in groups. now i have only been playing for a few weeks, so everything i am saying goes only for groups up to level 20 or so.
the thing i have noticed is, more so than any other game i have played, there is a certain trend in FFXI for people to issue demands upon other players. and im not talking about the fool tank who doesnt provoke on time. im talking about the group leader issuing ORDERS! now lets get some perspective here.....6 people, often from different parts of the world, different backgrounds and ages, are supposed to take orders from some computer geek? likely....not.
im talking about people being told statements like the following:
"<XXX> is the wrong race for WHM...ditch him" (the whm in question wasnt taru taru but did a great job and we chained VT for 2 hours).
"<XXX> you made a mistake and you died. ditch him before he can run back here" (fantastic attitude all round i thought...)
"you dont know what your doin. we should only be pulling VT mobs (despite the fact that the last VT mob needed benediction to save our asses). <xxx> you are no longer puller.".
basically what im driving towards here is yes, in FFXI there are more and there are less efficient ways of doing things, and there are more, and less competant players. and yes, one fool wastes everyones time. however, being derogatory towards people, speaking in a manner that could be read as condescending (and remember in text there is no tone...so assume that your message will be read in the wrost way..that way you can make sure you type well) is not the way to improve manner. Dont tell, ask. and when you do ask, explain why, dont make demands like petulant children. treat others with respect, because sure there are meat heads who will refuse to learn or be educated, but at least if you speak nicely you wont get EVERYONES back up.
maybe a useful yardstick woudl be the one people use in real life...would i speak like this to a sporting team mate, work colleague or the guy at the barstool next to me? if the answer is no, cause i would get my computer geek butt kicked, then maybe give it a miss.
and sometimes....newbies come up with good ideas. its true it can happen...from the mouth of babes and all that.
have fun all.
Edited, Tue Jan 13 08:50:18 2004 by Sanjji
one thing i wanted to mention, and maybe folks will flame me for this, is the way people in FFXI have been speaking in groups. now i have only been playing for a few weeks, so everything i am saying goes only for groups up to level 20 or so.
the thing i have noticed is, more so than any other game i have played, there is a certain trend in FFXI for people to issue demands upon other players. and im not talking about the fool tank who doesnt provoke on time. im talking about the group leader issuing ORDERS! now lets get some perspective here.....6 people, often from different parts of the world, different backgrounds and ages, are supposed to take orders from some computer geek? likely....not.
im talking about people being told statements like the following:
"<XXX> is the wrong race for WHM...ditch him" (the whm in question wasnt taru taru but did a great job and we chained VT for 2 hours).
"<XXX> you made a mistake and you died. ditch him before he can run back here" (fantastic attitude all round i thought...)
"you dont know what your doin. we should only be pulling VT mobs (despite the fact that the last VT mob needed benediction to save our asses). <xxx> you are no longer puller.".
basically what im driving towards here is yes, in FFXI there are more and there are less efficient ways of doing things, and there are more, and less competant players. and yes, one fool wastes everyones time. however, being derogatory towards people, speaking in a manner that could be read as condescending (and remember in text there is no tone...so assume that your message will be read in the wrost way..that way you can make sure you type well) is not the way to improve manner. Dont tell, ask. and when you do ask, explain why, dont make demands like petulant children. treat others with respect, because sure there are meat heads who will refuse to learn or be educated, but at least if you speak nicely you wont get EVERYONES back up.
maybe a useful yardstick woudl be the one people use in real life...would i speak like this to a sporting team mate, work colleague or the guy at the barstool next to me? if the answer is no, cause i would get my computer geek butt kicked, then maybe give it a miss.
and sometimes....newbies come up with good ideas. its true it can happen...from the mouth of babes and all that.
have fun all.
Edited, Tue Jan 13 08:50:18 2004 by Sanjji
I have the same problem almost everytime i turn this game on, i am on my last limb with it. The past 20 hours of gameplay ive only gained 4000 exp and i am level 28, that garbage. And everytime i join a group it blows. I am getting sick of it.
batilla > qufim
korrokola (sp?) > dunes (lvl 12-15 worms give 200exp)
korrokola (sp?) > dunes (lvl 12-15 worms give 200exp)
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Right on man. I've been reading this thread for a while, and you're the first one (Sanjii's comment) I read that said pretty much what I've been thinking. Basically a little kindness can go a long ways. If things aren't going right in the group or it is unpleasant for you then 1)remember this is just a game, and 2) you don't have to be rude and impleasant to make your point. Simply tell them you're plans have changed and you will be leaving them, then disband. I agree with what you said though man. Maturity and age are probably big factors in the way people this and other MMORPGs.
Edited, Wed Jan 14 10:40:25 2004 by BlackThor
Edited, Wed Jan 14 10:40:25 2004 by BlackThor
48 posts
I got a suggestion why not start a list of people that have a hard time finding groups to post what server they are on and there various jobs and skill on this forum. You can post what time and what areas you visit frequently and maybe all the people that can't find a group could all group together. Would save you a lot of time and pain, and all you will have to do is look on the list for compatable players on your server and send them a tell. If this is a bad idea let me know, but I am just trying to help
Yah... IM that "guy" the "noob" this is my first time playing a mmorpg and there's a big learning curve ... "BIG". The thing that has helped the most is the people that "reached out". Iv had the game since it came out and only get a hour or two a night to play but one of the thing that bother me the most is the people with all the time in the world, been on for a week, have 3 or 4 LS and resources to spare cause of your "previous MMORPG exp...and contacts" yet cry when they can't get a good party or IM a f**ken noob cause I made a mistake. The only reason your in the spot your in is cause someone wiped your *** for you in the last game you played... give us a chance I got 18 years of video game exp. and a "FF" freak (and there's a lot more of us coming) that’s got to account for something
My husband and I just hit Kazham (or however it's spelt), and we've had a heck of a time finding a really good group. What we usually wind up doing is making our own group. To my mind, waiting a few moments to start your own group and snag people as they come on looking for groups is worth it. Especially considering most groups don't have room for two more (we like to party together). So, we usually snag a warrior, and then fill in the rest with whatever comes in handy. Starting a group with a white mage, black mage and a warrior - we don't have much problems filling in the rest. We do occasionally run into group members that we pick up being dinks, we deal with them as best we can - usually by not making them the main puller, and not counting on them to do the right thing. :P
As we get further along, we find we have several players in our area who are willing to start groups with us, based off of our reputation as a white mage/black mage team. It helps that you're in the same room with your partner.
As someone once told me when I was frustrated in Qufim (as so many are) with getting terrible groups, no XP, and dying. I'm the white mage. If I go, not only does the group lose their white mage, they also lose their black mage (my husband). So, if I don't like what's going on in the group - speak up. They listen or they lose out.
A white mage and a black mage - can solo things. Not really well, not terribly effectively, but at times when my hubby and I don't want to party and just want to run around together, we'll solo almost any easy prey we run across. It isn't really worth it, but it's fun to feel like a tank for a bit. We get to use our weapon skills!
But for groups in Qufim - just have a little patience. There are good groups out there. Don't be afraid to toot your own horn when shouting for parties. Don't be afraid to form your own group. Heck, if you don't want to be a leader, form your own group and then pass on leadership if you know the other fellow.
And, if finding groups in Qufim, or not, as the case may be, gets too frustrating - take a break from grinding! Do something else for a day. Go back to your home town and do some missions, save some little starter lvl 5 people from certain death, be a hero! Just don't give up. :)
As we get further along, we find we have several players in our area who are willing to start groups with us, based off of our reputation as a white mage/black mage team. It helps that you're in the same room with your partner.
As someone once told me when I was frustrated in Qufim (as so many are) with getting terrible groups, no XP, and dying. I'm the white mage. If I go, not only does the group lose their white mage, they also lose their black mage (my husband). So, if I don't like what's going on in the group - speak up. They listen or they lose out.
A white mage and a black mage - can solo things. Not really well, not terribly effectively, but at times when my hubby and I don't want to party and just want to run around together, we'll solo almost any easy prey we run across. It isn't really worth it, but it's fun to feel like a tank for a bit. We get to use our weapon skills!
But for groups in Qufim - just have a little patience. There are good groups out there. Don't be afraid to toot your own horn when shouting for parties. Don't be afraid to form your own group. Heck, if you don't want to be a leader, form your own group and then pass on leadership if you know the other fellow.
And, if finding groups in Qufim, or not, as the case may be, gets too frustrating - take a break from grinding! Do something else for a day. Go back to your home town and do some missions, save some little starter lvl 5 people from certain death, be a hero! Just don't give up. :)
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Blm/Whm combo, I had a pair of taru like that in the highlands, sure was fun when they prance around with their full mana while us hume have to rest XD
Anyhow, one of the most important thing that was mentioned is reputation. If you have a good reputation, people tend to go out of their to get a spot for you ;) If you have a bad reputation, you are going be to facing 200 exp per 1 hour play at lvl 22 :) And the comment about the Goblins in Kazham, actually they are pretty easy if you have someone in your group that knows how to time their WS/JA properly to the gob's bombs. The pally I was with got 7/10 bombs, that saved me at least 60 mp from curaga alone ^^
And learn your renkies, there was a party I was with that just renkied, I mean it wasn't even planned, they sorta pulled this one out of their *** cause "hey, I remember I can follow the raidenthrust with another frostbite". Somehow pulled 3 renkies and save my sorry whm *** XD Being able to do renki will make whm love you. I rather have a monk that does 2-5 dmg that can renki than a warr that's doing 10 dmg per and can't renki. 220+ dmg with aeroga at lvl 27 is truly amazing when you see those onion heads drop left and right.
There is a very good renki chart out there. Just search it up on google as (ffxi skillchain) it's at a address with someplace.somethingsomething can't remember, too lazy to check ^^ but it's a really good resource. XD
Anyhow, one of the most important thing that was mentioned is reputation. If you have a good reputation, people tend to go out of their to get a spot for you ;) If you have a bad reputation, you are going be to facing 200 exp per 1 hour play at lvl 22 :) And the comment about the Goblins in Kazham, actually they are pretty easy if you have someone in your group that knows how to time their WS/JA properly to the gob's bombs. The pally I was with got 7/10 bombs, that saved me at least 60 mp from curaga alone ^^
And learn your renkies, there was a party I was with that just renkied, I mean it wasn't even planned, they sorta pulled this one out of their *** cause "hey, I remember I can follow the raidenthrust with another frostbite". Somehow pulled 3 renkies and save my sorry whm *** XD Being able to do renki will make whm love you. I rather have a monk that does 2-5 dmg that can renki than a warr that's doing 10 dmg per and can't renki. 220+ dmg with aeroga at lvl 27 is truly amazing when you see those onion heads drop left and right.
There is a very good renki chart out there. Just search it up on google as (ffxi skillchain) it's at a address with someplace.somethingsomething can't remember, too lazy to check ^^ but it's a really good resource. XD
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