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#227 May 18 2007 at 7:50 AM Rating: Good
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Just because they can, is not a good enough reason for me.


Lexxuk provided a reason why they should not, and also there are other things... Whenever you change a computer code (I do computer coding too for my university work), it takes time and money. And I have deadlines to make so my time and money will not run out.

It is like if you want to pay for cheap auto insurance, you will get less coverage. A lot of times, I am actually do not mind pay more for better service, at the same time if you want perfect service, be prepared to pay more, less time to develop game content, less time for new expansion. etc etc. And do not take the stance that SE is making tons of RL bucks that they should make less for specific interest groups. By saying that you are telling SE employee that they will get less pay raise and benefits and SE shareholders to make less from their stock investment.

It is fair game -- if you want more things and service, expect to pay more or get less from other things. However, it is unfair to other SE customers, shareholders and employees to bear the burden of individual mistakes that can easily be prevented.
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#228 May 18 2007 at 7:57 AM Rating: Default
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scchan wrote:
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Just because they can, is not a good enough reason for me.


Lexxuk provided a reason why they should not, and also there are other things... Whenever you change a computer code (I do computer coding too for my university work), it takes time and money. And I have deadlines to make so my time and money will not run out.

It is like if you want to pay for cheap auto insurance, you will get less coverage. A lot of times, I am actually do not mind pay more for better service, at the same time if you want perfect service, be prepared to pay more, less time to develop game content, less time for new expansion. etc etc. And do not take the stance that SE is making tons of RL bucks that they should make less for specific interest groups. By saying that you are telling SE employee that they will get less pay raise and benefits and SE shareholders to make less from their stock investment.

It is fair game -- if you want more things and service, expect to pay more or get less from other things. However, it is unfair to other SE customers, shareholders and employees to bear the burden of individual mistakes that can easily be prevented.


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#229 May 18 2007 at 8:31 AM Rating: Good
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Note: I wasn't using windower and never ran the program. This is the first program I've heard of to-date that allows them to get information without the use of a 3rd Party program, or ever even running the program.


Don't know if this has been addressed yet, but good keyloggers in no way/shape/form need windower or any other 3rd party app. to work. The best ones don't care what application you're running, since they're embedded more in the OS layer than an application, or straight reading the keyboard buffer...if you type it on the keyboard, it has it. Windower doesn't come into this equation.
#230 May 18 2007 at 8:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Don't know if this has been addressed yet, but good keyloggers in no way/shape/form need windower or any other 3rd party app. to work. The best ones don't care what application you're running, since they're embedded more in the OS layer than an application, or straight reading the keyboard buffer...if you type it on the keyboard, it has it. Windower doesn't come into this equation.


Because keyloggers not only intended to steal FFXI passwords, it steals your credit card numbers, passwords to bank account and email accounts... Those violation are far more serious than stealing your FFXI login.

But OP specific case, it is probably some RMT or disgruntled FFXI or someother MMORPG player who is behind this, so FFXI is targeted :P
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#231 May 18 2007 at 9:35 AM Rating: Decent
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#232 May 18 2007 at 2:15 PM Rating: Default
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#233 May 18 2007 at 2:54 PM Rating: Decent
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I've read these posts over the last few days and have come to a few conclusions.
1. More than half of you are real dumbasses
2. Some of you actually have a brain
3. Empathy and other social interaction tools are severely lacking in this population.

I'll leave you to guess which category you might fall under.
#234 May 19 2007 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
round two on ragnarok, phecreaubian this time, same exact link.
#235 May 19 2007 at 10:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Personally, I do think you diserve this. Your the one who went to the link, even when you knew something was up. I would of blacklisted the player and report him on the spot. Sorry for your loss, but its just your fault.
#236 May 20 2007 at 5:54 AM Rating: Decent
Nevermind - was replying to an outdated post.

Edited, May 20th 2007 10:02am by Harnao
#237 May 20 2007 at 6:37 AM Rating: Default
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One way to defeat keylogging(if you suspect your machine may be endangered) is to keep your password and username in a handy TXT file.

This is how I store my username and pass for stuff...

appleorangefragrantsmithie1928acreUSERgoosesailsmanNAMEhonest
billyforgetfulsmiggenoaksightPASSlegstoastyfrostysigWORDjet323
sillymillypingpong3948Icemissstatecaption33bettyforgetentity32deydif

With up to 20 lines like that.(only don't keep your user name and password in caps.) Keep em with all the other decoys and in one or 2 chunks.

This isn't to help you remember your username and password its to use to cut and paste them into your login.

Also cut and paste decoys into a scrap txt file if you're paranoid about your cliboard being spied upon. Even after you log in.


#238 May 20 2007 at 6:44 AM Rating: Default
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My headache got worse from reading all this.
#239 May 21 2007 at 3:14 AM Rating: Decent
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It took SE quite a while, but here it is:

LINK
#240 May 21 2007 at 5:47 AM Rating: Decent
All that link is saying is that SE knows it was pretty stupid of you to click on a link or use a third party program. Nothing to see here folks.
#241 May 21 2007 at 7:50 AM Rating: Decent
Actually, the underlying implication of SE's release is that it might be willing to help people who fell victim to this scam.

I wouldn't say "nothing to see here" until we get verification from the OP (or someone else) that despite this release, nothing will be done to correct the problem.
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#242 May 21 2007 at 8:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Definately keep everyone updated, especially when you get your account back. That will help others who have the same problem know what they need to do.
#243 May 21 2007 at 8:24 AM Rating: Decent
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This sucks. POL's security is lacking terribly. I just posted a suggestion on the suggetion forum about it.

#244 May 21 2007 at 8:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Just curious, what steps did you take to see if an elicit program had been installed did you take?

#245 May 21 2007 at 9:47 AM Rating: Default
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Thayos wrote:
Actually, the underlying implication of SE's release is that it might be willing to help people who fell victim to this scam.


I'm sorry but I don't see that implication, unless by willing to help you mean, informing people of the dangers ahead of time, so they don't F-up. If anything they are saying you are responsible for your own actions.
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This sucks. POL's security is lacking terribly. I just posted a suggestion on the suggetion forum about it.


How do you figure? How was THEIR security breached? It was the OP's security that was breached NOT POL's. Have you even read the thread?
#246 May 21 2007 at 9:49 AM Rating: Good
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How do you figure? How was THEIR security breached? It was the OP's security that was breached NOT POL's. Have you even read the thread?


A free email service has more security than POL, which is something we PAY for.

Have you even sat down and thought about it, or are you just talking out of your ***?
#247REDACTED, Posted: May 21 2007 at 9:50 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Sucks to be you, ******. "zomg a zip/exe file could be a keylogger??!! who could have known!!??"
#248 May 21 2007 at 10:16 AM Rating: Default
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How do you figure? How was THEIR security breached? It was the OP's security that was breached NOT POL's. Have you even read the thread?


A free email service has more security than POL, which is something we PAY for.

Have you even sat down and thought about it, or are you just talking out of your ***?


Again, I ask you to show me exactly where their security is lacking. Give me some examples, or some factual evidence that their security sucks. Until you do that, I will assume that YOU are talking out of your ***. When was their security breached? If your gonna make a claim that their security sucks, at least explain why. Maybe it does. Maybe you know something about the inner workings of POL that I don't. If so, explain your self. If not, STFU and GTFO.
#249 May 21 2007 at 10:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Again, I ask you to show me exactly where their security is lacking. Give me some examples, or some factual evidence that their security sucks. Until you do that, I will assume that YOU are talking out of your ***. When was their security breached? If your gonna make a claim that their security sucks, at least explain why. Maybe it does. Maybe you know something about the inner workings of POL that I don't. If so, explain your self. If not, STFU and GTFO.


Welcome to the modern world that noise and being loud is more important to be sensible and sound :P

May be we need a better education of scientific method and critical thinking :3
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#250 May 21 2007 at 10:26 AM Rating: Good
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When the **** did I say "POL's security was breached?" I said it was lacking terribly, which is entirely different. All any moron has to do is get a hold of a member ID and password, and everything is in plain view. All your credit card information can be accessed if you know those two things. there is no security question or any other preventative measures.

#251 May 21 2007 at 10:38 AM Rating: Default
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All any moron has to do is get a hold of a member ID and password, and everything is in plain view.


Isn't it the same deal for your email account and online payment for credit cards, mobile/land-line phone, auto insurance :3?

Edited, May 21st 2007 2:38pm by scchan
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