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Bazaar sold Chain is the slowest out of those (HorseRun2)
Raid mob (Ornate chain) and AA Mounts were supposedly speed cap speed when they came out (HorseFast). Glowing black drum from casino is the same speed (LizardFast). I don't know how the speed cap has increased since then and how the newer AA mounts handle it.

I also don't know about the SC purchased mounts.

I would agree that for a first timer, a non-free or non-/claim mount probably isn't worth the trouble. However, there are times when even with OOC regen, having a mount is ridiculously useful. If you despise downtime like I do, being able to nuke hard on every pull is extremely valuable. When botting my 'Extreme Team' (SHD, CLR, WIZ, WIZ, WIZ, MAG), my casters have a half second pause in their casting macros (/cast 1..../pause 50..../cast 2, etc) and going through mana that quickly makes every little bit of mana regen precious. While on horse, you're recovering mana even when OOC regen isn't active (like between pulls/kills when the hourglass rules). Over time, that adds up huge.

I have a cleric with the black panther mount from one of the early LoN scenarios (before they quit giving good stats to loot card items) and it's awesome for a DE. I think that one is ultrafast whereas the kirin and feran mounts seem slower.

Nowadays though, the chain bridles are a huge ripoff. As Yther pointed out, you don't use them for transportation (for several reasons, one of which is how long they take to start/stop) and their mana regen property is universal to all mounts. So get one of the free ones and have at it. It seems like they give away a free mount in every expansion's /claim items.

Any clue how the speed on the Ethermere Worm stacks up? Also, is "run2/fast" faster or slower than "fast"? How are those speeds calculated? Is slow1 faster or slower than slow2?

Also, is there still any need for some of the conversion stuff? I vaguely recall reading somewhere that any mount you have will run as fast as the fastest mount that character has? Is this actually true, or only true in some circumstances?

Ethernere Wurm is Run2/Fast which means, if you are flagged for Fast (Pal, Shd, or own an already Fast only mount, then you are flagged) it goes Fast, otherwise it goes at Run2. Here's the two buffs: http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spelllist.html?searchtext=ethernere+wurm You get which ever one your character is flagged for. As far as I can tell, all the Station Cash mounts are that way, and the newer LoN mounts. The older LoN mounts were all Fast only.

Jophiel got the speed order correct. http://samanna.net/eq.general/buffs.shtml#run is an old chart, that may be slightly wrong, and definitely is on the mount speeds, as the slower than Fast all got a slight boost sometime ago (2 or 3 years, iirc.). It gives a general, relative idea compared to other run speeds, but I have heard arguments that the stuff faster than FoE may be off a bit, and the cap is like 128. I'm not positive though. I know the cap if pretty small though, 'cause bard selo's doesn't require more than 20-30 mod to max out, despite there being much higher percussion mods.

EDIT: Whenever you look up a mount, if it's default speed is Run2, then you have to search for the summon spell name to see if there is a Fast version also, to see if it's a flagged type Run2/Fast mount.

EDIT 2: I'll update the Items_Mounts wiki page later with the relevant info about speed and flagged mounts.

Yther Ore.

Edited, Dec 9th 2013 6:45pm by Yther

Edited, Dec 9th 2013 7:18pm by Yther

The conversion stuff is for free /claim slow1 mounts you want to go faster (as fast as the bridle you combine them with) but still look like they did originally (Collapsible Roboboar, Mottled Worg, or Ornate Barding). Only, the ones marked Run2/Fast on the wiki page are flagged, and they will go, Run2 even if you aren't flagged for any mounts.

Yther Ore.

Edited, Dec 10th 2013 1:03am by Yther

Hello,
Run 2 is much slower than the Sk or Pally AA steeds.

This chart shows some stats relative to one another :https://everquest.allakhazam.com/wiki/EQ%3ARun_Speed

Not doubting you there..It may be off on some stats but the run 2 vs Pally steed seems correct.

Don't know, but if you happen to see the available level and stuff certain AA mounts, the AA pages are missing some of them for both Pal and Shd.

Yther Ore.

If you're talking about this AA page then it's missing such a massive amount of information as to be more or less useless. I just assumed no one has ever attempted to keep track of AAs since then. Is there some other source on this site? That's the one you go to when you use the pulldown at the top of the page. I've never bothered to submit anything because it always struck me as a sort of finger in the **** futility.

Individual AA pages, not the compiled list ones, which you are correct, I haven't kept them updated, 'cause most of the AAs only get update a few ranks at a time. If I ever get around reformatting the eqaasearch.org spreadsheet to my format, I'll updated all the individual AAs and redo the compiled pages so they'll be at least up-to-date to ROF other than what few mistakes are on hers, that haven't been caught yet.

Any way Have https://everquest.allakhazam.com/wiki/EQ:Divine_Steed info. Have https://everquest.allakhazam.com/wiki/EQ:Valiant_Steed and https://everquest.allakhazam.com/wiki/EQ:Holy_Steed info. https://everquest.allakhazam.com/wiki/EQ:Hallowed_Steed is missing the spell id number.

I thought there were some missing more info, but since the forum search is borked, I can't find the post I made about them quickly that lists which ones. Wait let me check the spreadsheets, real quick. https://everquest.allakhazam.com/wiki/EQ:Holy_Warhorse is the one and https://everquest.allakhazam.com/wiki/EQ:Unholy_Warhorse for Shd.

Anyway, gbaji, yes you have interpreted it correctly. Only certain ones, marked Run2/Fast on the tables, or that default show Run2, but when you search the spells db for the same name spells, you get a Fast effect are the ones that are part of the flagged speed, that only goes at Fast if you have the mount, otherwise goes at mount Run2 speed (way way faster than Run2 AA, and even faster than Run5 or even Run8). All other mounts go at whatever their default spell says. The exception is the hobby horse which roots you, although I've wondered if the side-step bug works on that mount or not.

Another thing of note, is some non-Pal / Shd toons seem to be bugged and don't get the Fast speed when they should. There have been several complaints about it and no mentioned fix. But, I don't see any new complaints, so maybe it has been ninja fixed.

EDIT: http://eqaasearch.org/ for reference, and I'm not sure how / where the warhorse AAs come from. Maybe using the barding one time flags those with Holy / Unholy Steed AAs for them and is why they don't show up on eqaasearch site and why I don't see them available on my AA windows, but show up on the /alt list command.

Hope this helps,

Yther Ore.

Edited, Dec 10th 2013 8:54pm by Yther

Thanks. What's the requirements on the AA window say, if it even shows up for the Warhorse AA? Level, expansion, prerequisite, etc. I'll fill it in later on the wiki page and link to the quest on how to obtain it.

Also, what's the spell buff called when you summon a warhorse? I can probably find the spell id from the name, since they're not called warhorse (at least none show up in the spell db they do show, there's just a ton, and all of them have matching items, other than TaFast, Fast tan, and BrFast, Fast brown, and the Shd / Pal are black and white, so may be the same as the ornate chain + barding).

Yther Ore.

Edited, Dec 11th 2013 6:31am by Yther

"Holy Warhorse" doesn't come up in the spell db, so if you could, double check it by mousing over the buff or right-clicking it in the buff window. I get all sorts of "summon warhorse" when searching for just warhorse, but wasn't sure if it was the same as the ones from ornate chain and barding mounts or not. The info from the Alt+V AA window would be good too, as I mentioned. The tab also, but I assume it's Class tab.

THanks,

Yther Ore.

"Summon Holy Steed" I take it, since there's only one "Holy Steed". And thanks. I guessed at expansion and level (PoR and 59) for the 2 Warhorse wiki pages and assumed the prerequisite of Holy / Unholy Steed rank 1. Let me know, if the AA window says something different.

Yther Ore.

Edited, Dec 11th 2013 7:05pm by Yther