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whats a good class for a sham i was thinking of oger becasue no stun for front attacks but somone said they had low cha but i didnt think that was inportant for a sham just enchanters bards and maby druids and necros and i was thinking of lizzy becasue of regan and AC bonus but i heard lizzys cant wear of lot of good armor later on aslo they both have xp peniltys so i was thinking of frog becasue they have the most starting stats over all ogers have the most starting stats with 576 plus the 30 u can chose to put into where ever then frogs have next with 570 plus 30 so i was thinking of and oger and just pump all i can in WIS then that should even him out not to sure thouhg any info would be great also i dont have gear to twink them so im not going to be able to max there stats and even it all out with gear
please go play ffxi.
you are too dumb to play everquest.
you are too dumb to play everquest.
Have you ever heard of punctuation?
Race doesn't matter, play any race you like.
Race doesn't matter, play any race you like.
Some people are like slinkies, they aren't really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
If I was making a shaman, it'd be a toss-up between Froglok and Iksar for me, depending on how strongly I felt about the xp penalty that day.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Friends don't let friends play frogs
So you want to play a shammy? I will not comment on xp penalties since they are really not worth talking about.
Troll:
Regen bonus, choice of deitys. Innoruuks can quest clicky snare neckpiece. Slam
Ogre:
No stun from the front. Good starting strength. Slam
Iksar:
Regen bonus. Cabilis shammy quests (no need to do faction work first!) Forage.
Frog:
Good swimmers?
Barbarian:
Better looking than trolls or ogres? Slam
Vah Shir:
Safe Fall. Slam?
I would pick Troll, Ogre, or Iksar if it was me. Extra regen is a nice bonus for any toon but HP regen for a shammy == mana.
Edited, Wed Nov 16 10:39:36 2005 by Dothammer
Troll:
Regen bonus, choice of deitys. Innoruuks can quest clicky snare neckpiece. Slam
Ogre:
No stun from the front. Good starting strength. Slam
Iksar:
Regen bonus. Cabilis shammy quests (no need to do faction work first!) Forage.
Frog:
Good swimmers?
Barbarian:
Better looking than trolls or ogres? Slam
Vah Shir:
Safe Fall. Slam?
I would pick Troll, Ogre, or Iksar if it was me. Extra regen is a nice bonus for any toon but HP regen for a shammy == mana.
Edited, Wed Nov 16 10:39:36 2005 by Dothammer
I play a Troll. It's fun for me. As Dot stated above. Troll and Iksar are the only two that essentially have mana regen via Canni. Barbarians for "good" race.
I used lots of punctuation in short sentences so you'd get the hang of it.
I used lots of punctuation in short sentences so you'd get the hang of it.
With the addition of the snare clicky i would no doubt have chosen a troll just for that alone. Otherwise i'd still go with iksar. I've never put too much use to the no front stun deal from my ogre.
I really wish i had a troll..... mmmmmm snare.
Edited, Wed Nov 16 11:35:56 2005 by galthran
I really wish i had a troll..... mmmmmm snare.
Edited, Wed Nov 16 11:35:56 2005 by galthran
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Well, IMHO, the only two questions you need to ask yourself are: Do I care what race I look like? and Do I know in advance that I will be consistently grouping with snare available on another character?
Functionally, all of the races are cosmetic save for Troll, Iksar, and Ogre. Iksar the only real bonus you get is regen and gimp level foraging, which is good for a little bit of startup cash if you're on a new server, but will never amount to serious money. The regen is nice for mana, can't knock that, but Trolls get the exact same regen and xp penalty. I did mention that, didn't I? All three of these races get an xp penalty in exchange for their prowess, -20% for Troll and Iksar, -15% for Ogres.
Trolls who follow Innoruk (the only choice, as I recall) can quest for am unlimited clicky snare necklace in the late 20s. There are functional limitations on this however; the snare only lasts 30 seconds, and takes 6 seconds to cast, and is the weakest snare that necs and sks get. Among other things, this means that it will not actually stop mobs from running away until their life is at 12%, unlike most other snares that will stop the mob in their tracks at 20%. Not to worry, the mob will still be moving away slow enough that it is not likely to agro friends, but it's something to be aware of.
Ogres get slam and frontal stun immunity, no regen. The slam will be rarely used, is it is locked at an incredibly low skill level, and as a shammy you're going to be casting instead of slamming anyway. The stun immunity can be huge towards the end of the game, when just a few hits from uber mobs will kill you - being able to respond to a resisted slow, rather than being locked in a stunned state.
Personally, I went with the Troll shammy for the regen and the snare; the regen is nothing to sneeze at, in the 60s, this is an extra 20odd hp flowing in each tick, technically equivalent to an extra 9 mana regen or so if you have the time to cannib it off.
Today, if I were re-rolling my shammy, I would probably go with the Ogre for the stun immunity - I ended up splitting off my necromancer and druid to a second account, so I always have snare available. If I were still soloing, I would probably use the relatively cheap DON snare potions for those situations where I really needed a snare - they have about the same limitations as the snare necklace, with the addition of a negative magic resist check. I'd loose some of my regen (still have a signifcant ammount, as shammies cast some pretty strong spell-based regen anyway), but towards the high end of the game, much of your cannib damage will be healed back by HOTs like Quiescence anyway. (Letting regen take care of the 1900+ damage from the Canni V aa would take a while).
Anyway, those are the limitations of the three races - if you don't care about any of these abilities, just go with whatever race suits you cosmetically - you'll end up leveling faster and the starting stats really won't matter as your buffing ability and gear grow.
Functionally, all of the races are cosmetic save for Troll, Iksar, and Ogre. Iksar the only real bonus you get is regen and gimp level foraging, which is good for a little bit of startup cash if you're on a new server, but will never amount to serious money. The regen is nice for mana, can't knock that, but Trolls get the exact same regen and xp penalty. I did mention that, didn't I? All three of these races get an xp penalty in exchange for their prowess, -20% for Troll and Iksar, -15% for Ogres.
Trolls who follow Innoruk (the only choice, as I recall) can quest for am unlimited clicky snare necklace in the late 20s. There are functional limitations on this however; the snare only lasts 30 seconds, and takes 6 seconds to cast, and is the weakest snare that necs and sks get. Among other things, this means that it will not actually stop mobs from running away until their life is at 12%, unlike most other snares that will stop the mob in their tracks at 20%. Not to worry, the mob will still be moving away slow enough that it is not likely to agro friends, but it's something to be aware of.
Ogres get slam and frontal stun immunity, no regen. The slam will be rarely used, is it is locked at an incredibly low skill level, and as a shammy you're going to be casting instead of slamming anyway. The stun immunity can be huge towards the end of the game, when just a few hits from uber mobs will kill you - being able to respond to a resisted slow, rather than being locked in a stunned state.
Personally, I went with the Troll shammy for the regen and the snare; the regen is nothing to sneeze at, in the 60s, this is an extra 20odd hp flowing in each tick, technically equivalent to an extra 9 mana regen or so if you have the time to cannib it off.
Today, if I were re-rolling my shammy, I would probably go with the Ogre for the stun immunity - I ended up splitting off my necromancer and druid to a second account, so I always have snare available. If I were still soloing, I would probably use the relatively cheap DON snare potions for those situations where I really needed a snare - they have about the same limitations as the snare necklace, with the addition of a negative magic resist check. I'd loose some of my regen (still have a signifcant ammount, as shammies cast some pretty strong spell-based regen anyway), but towards the high end of the game, much of your cannib damage will be healed back by HOTs like Quiescence anyway. (Letting regen take care of the 1900+ damage from the Canni V aa would take a while).
Anyway, those are the limitations of the three races - if you don't care about any of these abilities, just go with whatever race suits you cosmetically - you'll end up leveling faster and the starting stats really won't matter as your buffing ability and gear grow.
Iksar regen is better than trolls. Iksar have a larger XP penalty as well. But that snare clicky... oh i wish i had a troll shammy.
Please take this as a criticism and not a flame, and if English is a second language for you, please disregard everything that follows except the grammar advice, and allow me to extend my warmest thanks for your interest in my native language.
You aren't stupid. You demonstrate a certain depth of thought, and a willingness to explore multiple possibilities. You've even collected some empirical data, showing you aren't lazy. Yet, for all that, many who read your post are going to write you off as stupid.
There's an easy way around this.
Next time please post in English. I noticed a lot of English words up there in your post, and a lot of words that look very similar to English words, save for the transposition of certain letters. It was due to these similarities between your post, and the English language that I was able to finally peice together a coherent thread of thought.
English uses constructions called sentences to symbolize small thoughts, and constructions called paragraphs to symbolize larger thoughts. Sentences have capital letters at the begining, and use a delimiter, such as a period, question mark, or exclamation point, to designate the end of the sentence. Paragraphs are a little trickier, but in general, in this form of media, it's better to stick with the journalistic standard. Seperate similar thoughts from different thoughts with a hard return. This improves the visual flow of the text, and improves legibility. Ideally, these groupings of sentences, will form larger ideas than you could covey with a single sentence. The further you stray from these basic constructions, the more difficult it is for a third party to decipher your meaning.
Please, try to make your posts easier to read, if you'd like meaningful responses. They don't have to be perfect, just legible.
That being said, I wanted to respond to your post, as shamans are near and dear to my heart. (They are my second favorite class.) However, I had to translate your post before I could even begin to answer your questions. I find, now that I have translated it, that I'll save my comments for a seperate post. This post is busy enough as it is.
For my own use, and as a public service,
Without further fanfare:
What race should I pick to make a good shaman?
I was thinking of making an ogre, because they are immune to stun from frontal attacks. However, I spoke with someone who mentioned the ogre's low charisma as a drawback. This confused me. I can see why it's important for enchanters and bards, and even, possibly, for druids and necros, but I didn't think charisma was very important to a shaman.
I was also considering Iksar, because of their innate regeneration and AC bonus, but I've heard that Iksar can't use some of the better armor later in the game.
Another concern is that both of the choices I had previously considered have penalties to experience, so I began to examine Frogloks because they have high starting stats. After counting the points in starting stats, I have found that Frogloks come in at number two, at 570 total points, not counting the 30 user assigned points. They come in with just a little bit less than Ogres, who have the most stats at 576, not counting the 30 user assigned points.
And so, I find that I've begun considering the Ogre again. Perhaps I can assign the max number of points to wisdom, and that should even the playing field.
I still have some reservations. I would appreciate any information you can provide. Please keep in mind, I have no plans to twink, as I don't have the gear to do so. This means that I can't count on twinkage to fix poor stats.
Edited for spelling and grammar
Edited, Wed Nov 16 12:50:48 2005 by BellamDreamguard
You aren't stupid. You demonstrate a certain depth of thought, and a willingness to explore multiple possibilities. You've even collected some empirical data, showing you aren't lazy. Yet, for all that, many who read your post are going to write you off as stupid.
There's an easy way around this.
Next time please post in English. I noticed a lot of English words up there in your post, and a lot of words that look very similar to English words, save for the transposition of certain letters. It was due to these similarities between your post, and the English language that I was able to finally peice together a coherent thread of thought.
English uses constructions called sentences to symbolize small thoughts, and constructions called paragraphs to symbolize larger thoughts. Sentences have capital letters at the begining, and use a delimiter, such as a period, question mark, or exclamation point, to designate the end of the sentence. Paragraphs are a little trickier, but in general, in this form of media, it's better to stick with the journalistic standard. Seperate similar thoughts from different thoughts with a hard return. This improves the visual flow of the text, and improves legibility. Ideally, these groupings of sentences, will form larger ideas than you could covey with a single sentence. The further you stray from these basic constructions, the more difficult it is for a third party to decipher your meaning.
Please, try to make your posts easier to read, if you'd like meaningful responses. They don't have to be perfect, just legible.
That being said, I wanted to respond to your post, as shamans are near and dear to my heart. (They are my second favorite class.) However, I had to translate your post before I could even begin to answer your questions. I find, now that I have translated it, that I'll save my comments for a seperate post. This post is busy enough as it is.
For my own use, and as a public service,
Without further fanfare:
Sauloman-edited wrote:
What race should I pick to make a good shaman?
I was thinking of making an ogre, because they are immune to stun from frontal attacks. However, I spoke with someone who mentioned the ogre's low charisma as a drawback. This confused me. I can see why it's important for enchanters and bards, and even, possibly, for druids and necros, but I didn't think charisma was very important to a shaman.
I was also considering Iksar, because of their innate regeneration and AC bonus, but I've heard that Iksar can't use some of the better armor later in the game.
Another concern is that both of the choices I had previously considered have penalties to experience, so I began to examine Frogloks because they have high starting stats. After counting the points in starting stats, I have found that Frogloks come in at number two, at 570 total points, not counting the 30 user assigned points. They come in with just a little bit less than Ogres, who have the most stats at 576, not counting the 30 user assigned points.
And so, I find that I've begun considering the Ogre again. Perhaps I can assign the max number of points to wisdom, and that should even the playing field.
I still have some reservations. I would appreciate any information you can provide. Please keep in mind, I have no plans to twink, as I don't have the gear to do so. This means that I can't count on twinkage to fix poor stats.
Edited for spelling and grammar
Edited, Wed Nov 16 12:50:48 2005 by BellamDreamguard
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The exp penalty really isn't too bad. It might take you longer to level up, but the penalty does not apply to AAs, and once you get into the 50's where exp really starts to slow down, the regen will make all your worries disappear. As an iksar, I can stand for almost an entire session, chain-canni between castings, and malo, slow, DoT, and buff without a med break. Ever. It's pretty strenuous, and you might need to throw a stoicism on yourself every so often, but it definately makes the group flow smoother.
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Iksar regen and xp penalties are exactly the same - I have a iksar necro and a troll shammy. They get the same xp for the same level, or the same aa for the same level, as long as the shammy doesn't have his leadership xp flipped on. Regen is exactly the same, as long as the necro doesn't have his lich on.
Just thought I should throw that out as someone with experience in both races.
Here's a link to two test cases I threw together on magelo for illustration - both 65, one iksar, one troll. Note that the regen for both is 18 standing/24 sitting.
Test Iksar - http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=1265599
Test Troll - http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=1265600
As to the xp penalty - you're thinking of Ogres - they get the 15% penalty, while Trolls/Iksar get 20%.
Just thought I should throw that out as someone with experience in both races.
Here's a link to two test cases I threw together on magelo for illustration - both 65, one iksar, one troll. Note that the regen for both is 18 standing/24 sitting.
Test Iksar - http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=1265599
Test Troll - http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=1265600
As to the xp penalty - you're thinking of Ogres - they get the 15% penalty, while Trolls/Iksar get 20%.
Dothammer wrote:
Iksar:
Regen bonus. Cabilis shammy quests (no need to do faction work first!) Forage.
Regen bonus. Cabilis shammy quests (no need to do faction work first!) Forage.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
So you just happened to find a 65 troll named testtroll eh? Since i've played iksar and chose iksar i know that standing regen before mods at 55 was 12. Now i don't know if they changed it recently or not but iksar did have better regen. Also if naked the iksar should have higher AC sorry but those magelos are just plain rigged
from the everquest website
Iksar
The fearsome and savage reptilian race on Norrath is known as the Iksar. With their significant height, scales, and long tails, Iksar are intimidating in their appearance. However, their reptilian physiology grants them a natural affinity for water, as well as enhanced regeneration.
Their entire civilization developed in isolation for centuries and fostered an unusual culture. The Iksar are a tribal race with a very simple social structure. Allies to no one, the Iksar are intelligent and proud. Having seen their race crumble through the toils of war, the race has become bitter about its loss of power. After being slaves and warring with the Ring of Scale, they were nearly made extinct.
The Iksar depend only on their god and creator, Cazic Thule. Iksar are unwelcome in all known cities of Norrath. Iksar are not too fond of any of the races in Norrath.
The Iksar live in the ancient city of Cabilis, on Kunark near the Lake of Ill Omen. It is a dark place with a maze of canals, which the Iksar use for travel around their city.
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Troll
Trolls are often considered a hideous and deplorable race that carries a sickening smell. This view suits the Troll as they are generally unpleasant to everyone. Trolls are an immense race, at least twice as strong as the average human. They have the ability to regenerate faster than most other races. Trolls have two primary motivators: food and power. These grotesque creatures will eat just about anything.
Trolls are extremely cruel and their greed is almost insatiable. They trust no one, not even each other. Trolls also fancy they have advanced abilities in the culinary arts, with their ability to pickle just about anything, or make a meal out of "spare parts."
Trolls generally detest the other races, including other Trolls. They tend to put up with the Dark Elves out of fear, much like Ogres do.
The former city of Grobb lies within the Innothule Swamp of Antonica. It is called Gukta now that it has been taken over by the Frogloks. Grobb once housed the fearsome Trolls, until the recent conquest of Grobb forced the Trolls to take shelter within the Foreign Quarter of Neriak.
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(They have the ability to regenerate faster than most other races.)
notice that line there "most" other races now as far as i know there is only one other race that has regen. I wonder what race that would be
Edited, Wed Nov 16 13:44:48 2005 by galthran
from the everquest website
Iksar
The fearsome and savage reptilian race on Norrath is known as the Iksar. With their significant height, scales, and long tails, Iksar are intimidating in their appearance. However, their reptilian physiology grants them a natural affinity for water, as well as enhanced regeneration.
Their entire civilization developed in isolation for centuries and fostered an unusual culture. The Iksar are a tribal race with a very simple social structure. Allies to no one, the Iksar are intelligent and proud. Having seen their race crumble through the toils of war, the race has become bitter about its loss of power. After being slaves and warring with the Ring of Scale, they were nearly made extinct.
The Iksar depend only on their god and creator, Cazic Thule. Iksar are unwelcome in all known cities of Norrath. Iksar are not too fond of any of the races in Norrath.
The Iksar live in the ancient city of Cabilis, on Kunark near the Lake of Ill Omen. It is a dark place with a maze of canals, which the Iksar use for travel around their city.
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Troll
Trolls are often considered a hideous and deplorable race that carries a sickening smell. This view suits the Troll as they are generally unpleasant to everyone. Trolls are an immense race, at least twice as strong as the average human. They have the ability to regenerate faster than most other races. Trolls have two primary motivators: food and power. These grotesque creatures will eat just about anything.
Trolls are extremely cruel and their greed is almost insatiable. They trust no one, not even each other. Trolls also fancy they have advanced abilities in the culinary arts, with their ability to pickle just about anything, or make a meal out of "spare parts."
Trolls generally detest the other races, including other Trolls. They tend to put up with the Dark Elves out of fear, much like Ogres do.
The former city of Grobb lies within the Innothule Swamp of Antonica. It is called Gukta now that it has been taken over by the Frogloks. Grobb once housed the fearsome Trolls, until the recent conquest of Grobb forced the Trolls to take shelter within the Foreign Quarter of Neriak.
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(They have the ability to regenerate faster than most other races.)
notice that line there "most" other races now as far as i know there is only one other race that has regen. I wonder what race that would be
Edited, Wed Nov 16 13:44:48 2005 by galthran
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I'm not sure why you feel this was deceptive - as I stated above, these two are just test cases created on the spot on magelo, which has the algorhythms that EQ uses for native regen. I did not use my actual toons, as they have different gear, and, according to magelo, are different levels (I recently split the necro to a second account and can no longer synch him). It was meant to be a very quick illustration and not deceptive in any way.
I'm sorry you feel threatened by this - take my posts at face value; if you feel I am wrong, prove it to yourself if you feel you must - take the time to jump on the test server (once the servers come up) and /betabuff an iksar and a troll to their 60s to see that they are, in fact, identical in regen. Then go out and kill a few things.
Or take it from someone who has played both. Your choice. I'm just trying to throw out what information I have for those that might benefit from it.
A second note - the only information I entered for these was the race, level, class and server (neither of the last two are relevant, but required for creation) - all other stats were generated by magelo.
Edited, Wed Nov 16 13:41:21 2005 by Neolith
I'm sorry you feel threatened by this - take my posts at face value; if you feel I am wrong, prove it to yourself if you feel you must - take the time to jump on the test server (once the servers come up) and /betabuff an iksar and a troll to their 60s to see that they are, in fact, identical in regen. Then go out and kill a few things.
Or take it from someone who has played both. Your choice. I'm just trying to throw out what information I have for those that might benefit from it.
A second note - the only information I entered for these was the race, level, class and server (neither of the last two are relevant, but required for creation) - all other stats were generated by magelo.
Edited, Wed Nov 16 13:41:21 2005 by Neolith
All i know is that iksar DID have better regen they might not now since the game has gone through quite a few adjustments but they used to for sure.
hmm i also just noticed your troll is 65 and the iksar is 60 so i'm pretty sure your information is a bit incorrect
Edited, Wed Nov 16 13:50:25 2005 by galthran
hmm i also just noticed your troll is 65 and the iksar is 60 so i'm pretty sure your information is a bit incorrect
Edited, Wed Nov 16 13:50:25 2005 by galthran
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Can't speak to what it used to be - both of my played characters are only around a year old (took me a while to find what classes I liked). The numbers are accurate for current playing.
However, in looking for a link to the actual formula used so I could illustrate, I came across this chart on Shadowknight.org.
http://www.shadowknight.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-1654.html
Adjusting my test cases on magelo shows the same numbers for the same levels. The chart doesn't show post 60, which is a shame; regen spikes hard in the 60s (up to 21/27 at 69, and 23/29 at 70, before gear/buffs).
Heh - you caught me adjusting the level of the test cases to check against this chart - that's why he was 60 when you doublechecked - they're both back to 65 now.
Edited, Wed Nov 16 13:54:39 2005 by Neolith
Edited, Wed Nov 16 13:56:51 2005 by Neolith
However, in looking for a link to the actual formula used so I could illustrate, I came across this chart on Shadowknight.org.
http://www.shadowknight.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-1654.html
Adjusting my test cases on magelo shows the same numbers for the same levels. The chart doesn't show post 60, which is a shame; regen spikes hard in the 60s (up to 21/27 at 69, and 23/29 at 70, before gear/buffs).
Heh - you caught me adjusting the level of the test cases to check against this chart - that's why he was 60 when you doublechecked - they're both back to 65 now.
Edited, Wed Nov 16 13:54:39 2005 by Neolith
Edited, Wed Nov 16 13:56:51 2005 by Neolith
well they could have thrown most of the old world stuff out the window too. All i know is that eq stated that there was a greater bonus to regen to iksar back in the day albeit only 3 or so points so I might be wrong if they threw the conventions out the window. But either way the snare clicky i'd still pick a troll no matter what about regen.
Edited, Wed Nov 16 14:07:31 2005 by galthran
Edited, Wed Nov 16 14:07:31 2005 by galthran
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Aye - that's about where I'm at too - the only reason I'd consider Ogre is if I had snare available in another form, which I currently do on the nec. For mid-levels, when you're going stoic and self-snaring to get back canni health, the regen is king - once you get Q, it's not such a big deal. The iksar isn't worth it for the minimal AC boost or faction for the iksar cudgel quests - the resulting item isn't used in the end game, and getting the help you'd need to finish the series while it would still be useful would be prohibitive.
Edited, Wed Nov 16 14:14:37 2005 by Neolith
Edited, Wed Nov 16 14:14:37 2005 by Neolith
Based on that magelo info though they also got rid of the Iksar AC bonus as well.
Edited, Wed Nov 16 14:05:10 2005 by galthran
Edited, Wed Nov 16 14:05:10 2005 by galthran
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Hmm... I have no idea whether or not the AC is accurate currently; I don't have access to a live server to check ATM - I will say that I don't recall it scaling with level, and even with gear the iksar necro is only in the 900s at L69, but as a silk class he's a paper tank anyway - the troll shammy tanked better with about the same AC in his 50s. For shammies, the only gear that you won't get that's actually worth anything as an iksar is the jaundiced bone bracer; which is really only worth using to the mid-50s; after that your cast time is better spent actually nuking or cannibing.
Again, I would say to base your choice on the abilities of the race - anything that can be adjusted by gear or buffs (HP/AC/stats, and to a limited extent, regen) is functionally irrelevant in the end game.
Again, I would say to base your choice on the abilities of the race - anything that can be adjusted by gear or buffs (HP/AC/stats, and to a limited extent, regen) is functionally irrelevant in the end game.
Professor galthran wrote:
Based on that magelo info though they also got rid of the Iksar AC bonus as well.
Magelo doesn't capture the Iksar AC bonus automatically. If your just auto-sync, your AC in game without buffs will be higher than what is displayed on the Magelo. My 49 warrior has a 'hidden' (update character screen at magelo) 42 ac adjustment to get his accurate.
Sauloman wrote:
whats a good class for a sham
I chose Barbarian. Good starting strength. "Good" faction. Lack of a large XP penalty. Most importantly, I like the way they look. I'm not that concerned about slam.
Sauloman wrote:
oger becasue no stun for front attacks
I would assume that this would be a huge bonus if you like soloing enemies while meleeing-especially late in the game. I have heard, however, that it doesn't make a tremendous amount of difference. I have trouble believing that though. Not getting stunned is a big deal for casters, even if only from the front.
Sauloman wrote:
somone said they had low cha but i didnt think that was inportant for a sham
Technically, shamans do get the charm animal line of spells, albeit, at higher levels then druids. I suppose this would be the only real place you'd feel the lack of charisma. Unless they're talking about for general buying and selling. In which case you can probably aquire cheap charisma gear. Probably not a big enough deal to even worry about.
Sauloman wrote:
i was thinking of lizzy becasue of regan and AC bonus
Indeed. Excellent reasons to play an Iksar. The regen is a HUGE boon, as many have already stated.
Sauloman wrote:
lizzys cant wear of lot of good armor later on
As others have posted, this barely affects you. In practicality you're only going to be looking for chain anyway, so lack of plate isn't a real drawback.
Sauloman wrote:
both have xp peniltys
Ultimately, this is one of the reasons I went Barbarian. I don't think this is that big a deal, though. It just irritated me, paying the 15 or 20% out forever and ever. I mean by the time you've earned 100 aas you would have had 115 or 120 aas with a non-penalty race. I know it's not really noticeable during play, but it bothers me.
Sauloman wrote:
so i was thinking of frog becasue they have the most starting stats
Even if you aren't planning on twinking, I don't think starting stats are really such a big deal. I like the way frogs look, and they are an alternate "good" faction race.
Sauloman wrote:
thouhg any info would be great
I strongly suggest you check out the Shaman board here.
https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/classes.html?class=9
The advice I've gotten there has always been spot on, and personalized.
You didn't mention Troll, but the other posters did, so I won't beat the dead horse. IMO, it is the single most powerfull race for a low level shaman - The clickie snare can't be mentioned enough.
Vah Shir are agnostic with fairly neutral to good faction with the majority of player races. They might be a good choice for faction hounds.
Barbarians, well, I just like them. And ultimately, that's why I went that route. I don't regret it at all.
Figure out what you want. If you're looking for the combination with the most total strategic value, you're probably going to see a very long discussion with no clear winner. (Although my vote would go to Troll.)
A choice based on looks isn't necessarily a bad one. Choose what will make you happy. At any given level the person playing the shaman is more important than the race.
Sauloman wrote:
i dont have gear to twink them so im not going to be able to max there stats and even it all out with gear
You'd be amazed. There's a tremendous amount of good cheap wisdom gear out there. When I look for gear, my personal preference for a low level shaman is:
Mana Regen
Regen
Wisdom
Mana
HP
Stam
Since the first two are mega-expensive, you should probably ignore them. But otherwise you should be able to throw together some decent equipment in a day or so of farming Butcherblock gobbies.
Even though the character is strapped for platinum now, it doesn't necessarily follow that he will always be so. I started my shaman, and refused to give him any plat from my main. He's now my main bread winner.
Ultimately, you need to prioritize. What is most important to you. There isn't any "best" answer. The game designers have worked hard to insure that there isnt.
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i'm still going to smack myself for picking an ogre for my shammy
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