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Wow Alwayslost.

That's an awful lot of vitriol for something as trivial as a request for level appropriate quest information.

The thread was appropriately titled, and you knew what you'd find here. In fact, you lay claim to have noticed the general contents and intention of Thor's posts. It's amazing to me that you would torture yourself by coming to this thread after you had already figured out that his posts infuriate you so much.

That aside, why does the term "EverBuy" bug you so much?

Yeah, alot of the modern EQ experience revolves around the bazaar. I've only been playing for a year now, but I know that in order to get gear that is comparable to what other folks have, I have to farm plat, and buy stuff from other players. The facetious term "EverBuy" sounds pretty accurate to me. God knows, I'm always in the Bazaar. I love that aspect of the game.

But let us assume that Thor meant it as a powerful pejorative. Even then, your logic is pretty weak. It's very convienient for you to convert a dig at a game we all enjoy, into a slam against its player base. It's easy to do, but it undercuts your position with intelligent readers who didn't take any offense.

You weaken your argument by forwarding the ridiculous claim that reading about a quest here, is the same as buying an item in the bazaar. Wow. How does that work again? I'd really like to know. I must have read the quest write up for my paladin epic approximately 20 times already. So, if reading a quest here is like buying an item in the Bazaar, why is it that I don't have it yet?

You assume quite a bit by using the term cheating, and when you do so, you show why there is a cliche involving assumptions. If you are going to accuse Thor of "cheating" then there must be some set of guidelines you are using to do so. As best as I can tell, nothing he said constitutes cheating under SOE's rules, so I am forced to interpret your statements to mean that Thor is a hypocrite.

Thor's stated rules were as such:



As long as he hasn't broken any of his self-imposed rules, your jibes to the tune of "cheating" are just "sour grapes."

Look, I could sit here poking holes in your petty arguments all night. In all honesty, I find that stuff kinda fun. The long an the short of it, in my humble opinion, is that you don't like Thor's posts. You should have just said that, instead of trying to make some compelling logical argument about Thor, or his posts. I can't argue your opinion, nor would I try. You are entitled. But when you use specious logic, you leave yourself wide open, and your arguments will be picked apart by those with rational minds.

To give an opposing view, however, Thor's posts were substantive. They dealt with very specific in game topics. Your posts, (at least, within this thread) have been solely inflamatory. All you've done is knock Thor as if you had a personal vendetta.

I don't need to play the game Thor's way, and the fact that he does play that way, doesn't affect me. Besides, there are far stronger, more obnoxious proponents of the Untwink school of thought out there.

He's not asking you to play the game untwinked. He's asking for some advice. If you have none to give, you really shouldn't be here, should you?



Edited, Mon Oct 3 01:26:00 2005 by BellamDreamguard

I think avoiding the bazaar is missing the point. Obviously any player is free to play by any rule they make up but don't try to justify this one as "old school".

There has been a player economy from very early on. I too started around Luclin and in those days you had to go to EC tunnel to buy stuff. It was a total nightmare and a complete waste of everyone's time. I feel absolutely zero nostalgia for it.

The bazaar gave us a way to have a player economy without the endless round of
"How much is the FBSS?"
"Make me an offer"
"Tell me what you'll take for it"
"10k"
"Too much for me"
"Ok how much can you afford"
etc,etc,etc

Of course if you object to buying things you haven't made or quested yourself then I'd understand. But that is not being "Old School"

For me working a low level character on Spider Silk or whatever it was at the time to earn cash was a perfectly valid way to advance - provided what you killed gave you exp.

I am only just relearning the changed face of the low level game which seems to be totally different now. Many of the old newbie gear quests seem to have been superseded by newer things.

The Symbol of Tunare quest is quite decent but I recommend taking a friendly ranger to help you find the ghasts.

Hmmm. I have to admit, you did get my hackles up. If you detected a little anger underneath the tone of my post, it can be attributed to the fact that Thor is my friend, and I thought you treated him poorly.


Your post did not seem to be light-hearted, or teasing in any way. Perhaps it was my flaw in not seeing it.



No. I'm attempting to argue with you. I really wish you wouldn't take it so personally.



Okay, well that was more compelling than the whole of the rest of your argument.

Alwayslost, I have NEVER rated you down. Furthermore, I've really enjoyed, and agreed with some of your previous rants. I just don't agree with this one. If you really feel the need to rate me down. I don't mind. I'll do you one better. Have a rate up on me.



You accused him of breaking his own rules. He clearly did not do so.



Indeed, they do seem that way to me. And as you haven't pointed out a flaw in my reasoning, I suppose I'll have to keep believing that.



You are quite welcome. Condescension and all.



That is quite possible. Regardless, I probably won't see it, untill you refute my arguments. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.



Just the ones that agree with me. Duh.



Yeah, I guess it did. Looking back, I guess I was a little more irritated then I realized. Or at least, I came off that way.



By here, I meant this thread. I actually enjoy most of your posts. I've never rated you down, and as I said previously, I'll give you a couple of rate ups, just to prove my good will.




Close enough. It was the middle of the night, and I was waiting for a batch of laptops to finish imaging, and you took a pot shot at a friend.



No vendetta here. Just another guy spouting off his own and actually enjoying the fact that not everyone agrees with him.

(I did say I kinda liked this sort of thing, didn't I?)

Good luck Alwayslost. I don't intend to hijack Thor's thread anymore than I already have. I hope you do understand, that I have nothing personal against you. I just dissagreed.

Feel free to rate me down a few times, if there's still hard feelings.



Edited, Mon Oct 3 15:33:28 2005 by BellamDreamguard

Ahh yes, the days when the Kelethin bank was the spot to meet whatever seller had 2 or 3 bags of stuff to sell. Good times.

I completely agree with you on your remark, the difference is, you don't see anyone in any zone anymore (besides PoK or bazaar) auctioning off stuff. It's going to be rough, any way you look at it.

Maybe when I have more than 14 plat to my name, I'll join a channel and see if a seller is willing to come to me...never know until you try.

Bell: I appreciate your remarks, but it's not worth it. But, I know you like that kind of thing...

Druids aren't near as gear dependant as some other classes. Once you hit 34, you'll be able to cruise on up to 50+. Getting to 34 without becoming bored to death will probably be the most difficult part.

Once you hit 34 you can begin quadding cougars in Iceclad til around 39 or so. You can try to quad dire wolves as well, but the giants are a pain to dodge sometimes. Hang on to any High quality cougar hides, they might come in handy for you down the road.

Around 39 or 40 head to Oasis and quad the specters. They are really nice xp and you can actually farm some decent cash here as sometimes their scythes sell for 12pp each. There are 8 of em so it works out well for quadding with enough time between pops to med back up. The Inn is right there too to sell yer loot. You should be able to stay here til 46 or so. Plus you can root/rot the occasional Sand Giant.

From 46 to 49 there are several options open to you, but I would recommend Eastern Wastes. You can quad the Ulthorks here.

Once you hit 49 (used to get new quad spell at this level, but not sure anymore), head to Cobalt Scar and quad Wyverns. Can farm some decent cash here as well. Save the Wyvern Hides in case you wanna ever start Tailoring. Should be able to stay there til 52 or so.

From here you can head to Umbral for the Elysians. Tunic is well worth the camp.