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Speaking of real economics only the PRODUCERS can control the market or the dealers if they control ALL of the producers.

You can craft/loot/quest everything for your class on your own (except for some cultural TS, ok) so how the hell are you FORCED TO BUY something????

Edited, Fri Jan 30 06:36:45 2004 by Leiany

Easy way to put a stop to this, Dont try to get items ya cant farm yas selves.

Blazey

That's not the reason the Bazaar was invented and well recieved.

I'ts rather that
1)if you loot some high-end stuff you can't use yourself and a vendor won't buy it you'd have to throw it away otherwise (or twink someone but is that the intention?).
2)some TS like (enchanted)Jewelery make much more sense if you can sell your stuff at the Bazaar.
3)it's has become a social place as well (at least on FV)

and btw: people are STILL shouting like mad to sell their stuff :))

Edited, Fri Jan 30 07:01:37 2004 by Leiany

there are some days that i am grateful to be computer stupid - i would not even have a clue how to macro and "dupe plat" and all of that. hell, i had no clue it was even happening until about a month ago. i think i need to go make some leather padding and lucky cabbage...i made 2k yesterday from that stuff!

The only thing we players can do is NOT to buy the high priced stuff unless you actually know the person thats selling it. Let that ornate crap rot on those traders! If you know someone who is dealing with Yantis, POST their names so we can boycott their asses.

Personally, I like the thought/idea I saw on the original board hosting this thread. Put a cap on the amount possible to charge for an item, if there is a way to do so. Also, increase the drop rate and spawn time for certain items/mobs. Also makeing more of the high end plat makeing items no drop. At least that way, the market gets cut out from under them. As for the mob spawn times, Sony needs to do a comprehensive overhaul of ALL the old world zones. Waiting 30 minutes is crazy these days. Or 12 hours for a mob like Phinegal Autropos when there's 5 different classes that need him for their epic. Come on, by the time you get back there, the mobs already been killed by someone else, and now you get to wait 12 more hours for some one else to get him first again, or add to the problem by charging outrageous MQ prices for the item you've been trying to get for 6 months on your own. That alone would be reason enough to pay for plat with RL money. Ever try to buy a Mage epic MQ? 1 piece for 100K? Forget the fact that epics are practically useless with current items available in newer expansions, some of us want the hard earned boast of saying "I did this, ME, not some bot/macro crunching $##@head who then MQed it to me."

Actually, there is a number of things that can be done, and a number of things that CANT be done.

- What CANNOT be done -

1. Soe, as in Sony Online Entertainment CANNOT do much against this threat.

Other than attempt at putting programing blocks in their way, and MAYBE find a way to track the billions of plat flowing arround. This however is a limited endeavor and most likley wont happen. Why? Cuz SOE cant hire a hundred skilled hackers to try to solve this. Do they have the money? NO, You may be surprised, because SOE doesnt get much from EQ. They get what SONY allows them to continue the game. The money goes to SONY first. In order for SOE to get money from SONY they have to ask for it.

2. Legal Action.

Legal action cannot be taken, why? Because these people dont live in the united states. They are in foreign countrys with little regard to rules and such about fraud and contract violation which is what they are doing, mind you.

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What MIGHT be work.

1. SONY putting its energy into stopping Ige. Sony is one of the biggest companys on this planet. They have incredible influence in the asian market. They might be able to convince the government of the countrys these companys reside in to stop their activitys. I dont know all the details about this, but know enough that most Asian cultures respect a local power, and certainly, Sony is one.

2. Direct Attack on IGE / Mysupersale.

This would involve those of us who play, who know programming well enough to make hacks or attacks, and to do regular attacks on IGE to shut them down. Without access to the web, they cannot function, they cant work underground via EQ, cuz for sure SOE WILL SPOT THEM, and remove them. SOE is not idle on this issue, im sure, they just lack power to control it.

This idea however has incurrent risks, as IGE employees a vast number of highly skilled crackers and hackers themselves, and i wouldnt doubt they wouldnt retaliate.

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What WOULD work, but would SUCK for the rest of us.

1. Shut down the Bazaar.

Nuff said, i like the bazaar, i use it alot.

2. A Boycott.

Again, this would work but, like i said, i like the bazaar, and will keep using it. Not for high end items, certainly, i cant afford them anyways.

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What do we do? Well, as players, not much.

We cant do much.. to be honest but be pissed off, and spread the word.

Ok now here is one way to stop the high prices. Put a required Level/skill on Everything. Little extreame, but it will put a stop to twinking a brand new toon with a Fungi Tunic. That will do two things, help end twinking (which if your like me, yes i twink, but no i don't spend 2-300k on my toon to do it), and of course lower the prices. It will lower prices buy reducing the market to only those with the level/skill that can use it. And i dont' mean put recomended level's on everything. I mean a Required level. And IMO that would be: that there is any possible way that you could possibly loot that item. Now on 46 you can go to the planes, so you have the potential on 46 to be flagged for most of the planes (if not all) so required level of 46 on all planes drops would cut that market down. Also on an item like a Delightful Orb of Forgotten Magic, where you have to be 60+ for it to drop in LDON. So make it required level of 60 (or even 58 due to the fact a 58 could group with 5 other 65's and beable to get this drop....i think.)

Anyway if you like the idea, cool if not, that's cool too. Just curious of what others would think. :)

I am in agreement with this post whole haertedly i have been well basically forced to use the plat purchasing services many times becuase without them i can never ( or at least feel that i can never advance in the game item wise or really other wise because higher lvl requires higher end equipment which is overinflated price wise in the bazaar. sorry for the run on rant however this has become well outrageous. u spent $50.00 on plat at their site the get back in game recieve the plat and the item price has been inflated again causing u to well again need more plat from the rip off artist./

You should probably re-read the letter again.
He's talking about HIGH PRICED items... not 20p items

Actually the fix is pretty simple when you have complete control over the game. It's a very small amount of accounts that buy over 1,000,000PP worth of the same items every day 10 seconds after they are listed, just as its a very small number of accounts that level to 65 in a week and then suddenly change their billing information, and log on from an IP halfway across the country. Very few naked toons on Ubisoft accounts recieve and then give away millions of PP to complete strangers they have never had interaction with before. It would be easy to watch those accounts, and spot the obvious IGE bots. SOE can cancel an account at any time at its discretion. They don't have to provide reasons.

The only thing stopping SOE is the balance of player attitude. Look at it this way: There are 3 camps

Camp 1: Players that are gung ho against any plat sales and think that what IGE does is sickening and destroying the game for honest players.

Camp 2: Players that purchase PP/Toons/Items or that think such action is ok. They cringe at the thought of losing this method.

Camp 3: Players that really aren't polarized one way or the other, or that don't even know its happening.

All of these camps are paying money to SOE, As long as the vast majority of people are in camp 3 and the balance between camp 1 and 2 is pretty even, then everyone is relativly happy and SOE doesn't need to do anything. This board has a balance of people in these camps, although I would argue its a bit polarized towards Camp 1

If more people begin to shift from Camp 3 over to Camp 1 then Sony will start to Crack down on this stuff to pacify people back over to Camp 3. We saw this happen when the Shark bug happened, and things started to cost everyone more PP. People got angry and SOE was in real jepoardy of losing accounts. They responded by patching holes and banning accounts.

So if you wan't to see SOE fix this then let them know you are in Camp 1. The sooner they get this feeling the sooner they will take action. You don't have to cancel your account, or stage mass protests. A petition, an email, or a post. They will get the picture, they read message boards too. They arn't looking for passion they are looking for volume.