eq hackingFollow

Hacking to get defense secrets is one thing, but hacking a game is just plain wrong. I consider these people slime. That is my opinion.

How many times do I have to say this. No, you can't hack everquest. Nearly 100% of those things you see on kazaa are designed to steal your password, nothing more. Everything except for a movement modifier is serverside on everquest, and those servers, being ones that have been targetted by more hacking attempts than most large government agencies are pretty much bulletproof. Sure, you can get in, but in doing so you will set off many, many system alarms and get caught. I don't care how good you think you are, they have seen it all before. Anyone that says they can hack everquest, or dupe items for you is flat out a lying *******, and you should do something unplesent to them. Anyone spreading hacking rumors should also be shot. Please stop.

Absolutely 100% agree with Kaolian. These rumours are a load of tosh and I wouldn't trust any hack that comes from such a mass distributed low level spyware ridden tool like Kazaa anyway. And yes I know of the lite version without as much spyware. It's still a low level file sharing tool appealing to the clueless and ideal for trojan spreading. Hence Kaolians warning.

Edited, Wed Jan 7 06:30:38 2004 by Dwitherpot

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But if you insist, send me your station name and password, I'll then take your character to places others only dream of.

There is no hacking EQ, there are clientside Offsets for what little there is that is done clientside, and there are exploits. Offsets change the way the program runs and communicates with the server, not the actual data on the server. So you cannot give yourself infinate Plat, or experience. As Kao said the packets are monitored at the server for inconsistency, not to mention that there is rumor EQ is watching memory space for sniffing and macro programs. Exploits are items inside the game that are not working correctly. (I.E. tradeskill bugs, pathing issues) Both will get you caught, both will get you banned. You don't get second chances. You will lose your charectors if you are caught cheating, all your stuff, everything. Odds are high that you will get caught. Bottom line, if you enjoy playing the game its just not worth it. If you want to cheat I suggest you pick yourself up a single player RPG and look up the cheatcodes. The people that cheat at EQ are generally in it for the money, not to play and enjoy the game.

(Please note that this post is not directed at the original poster, but to anyone considering cheating)

Almost pissed myself on that one; too funny!

Top Post Kelti!

don't confuse hacking the EQ servers over IP and hacking the client in memory. Network security isn't the exploit vector in EQ.

As has been shown recently, especially on the Zeks, the client has got some pretty decent holes in it.

The mantra "never ever trust the client" seems to have been forgotten by the current dev team.



looking at the exploits on SZ and tradeskills, i'd add player location to that list, and not validated by the server. I was watching a tradeskill bot warp all over the zone recently.

Ok, I'm not the biggest computer buff, and I'll admit that there were some concepts discussed in this thread that went over my head. That's why I've decided to summarize the general idea of the thread in "layman's terms":


cheating = bad


Easy enough?

Well raising plat prices is something Sony needs to fix. Selling a fine steel weapon for 4 plat, and then having to buy one for 70. Yeah, I like the 1800% sell to buy ratio 0.0.

So hacking plat would in fact effect us if effected the economy, like counter-fieting (spelled wrong?) money.

Other than things like that, which are almost completely out of the question, I don't see it being to big of a deal in EQ... not like it is in Diablo II :/

Oh, Kazaa is crap littered in it's own garbage.

Pretty much everything that someone would regard as "hacking" in EQ is either passive monitoring of the datastream or active hacking of the client. Not that I know much about either, but there's actually a lot of useful game applications for having a good grasp of what is handled by your client and what is handled serverside. For example, the "ghosted AE" problem (I'm not sure if this still exists, it's been a long time since I've fought in ssra or ntov) was a result of client/server disagreement. Client would think you were hit with an AE and add an icon to you, while the server knew better, and performing actions that updated your health or mana would correct whatever misinformation your client was displaying. One fun side effect is that if a DoT AE was thought to be on you by the client and it killed you in one tick, the server would accept that you died - if you didn't die you wouldn't take damage since the server corrected it, but if either the client or server ever think you're dead, they'll both agree on it. Other things - drowning and falling damage are both client side, to prevent people from dying while linkdead I imagine. Movement is client side largely due to the incredible performance issues you would see if it wasn't - you'd be constantly jerked around and teleported as the server corrected itself. Some of the targetting keys/commands are clientside, which can be handy since they'll be unaffected by server lag. Just about everything else is serverside - regen rates, spellcasting (if you're lagged badly, you'll see how the spellcast meter and your casting don't coincide), etc.

I agree that server side hacking is almost dead. In my opinion, Kaolian is absolutely spot on in this regard. It seems that K is speaking from experience. Just curious, do you work in network security?

With that said, though, our product group always uses the phrase, "Almost everyone knows about the good hacks, but only a select few know about the great ones".

I obviously don't know much about network security. That's not what my $2000 dollar weekly paycheck says. Anyway, I'm an idiot. I'll go now. Hey if EQ gets hacked in the month of July, look me up on these boards..research the Navy project S.H.A.D.O.W. and you will know who you are talking to.