Steelhawk Crossbow
Binds when picked up
RangeCrossbow
155 - 288 DamageSpeed 2.80
(79.1 damage per second)
Requires Level 70 Equip: Increases attack power by 30. Equip: Improves hit rating by 16.
13.96% Chance To Drop. (1,431 in 10,253) Found on 3 creatures in 1 zones (average creature level: 73).This item is found on creatures which usually require more than one group to kill. This item can only be found on specific creatures.
Guess if the hunter was worth anything this would not be an upgrade. I was looking at this item for my rogue for the +16 hit. Combat/sword scales best with landing meele atks. When this comes up in our guild for lot I will take it over any hunter DKP ftw. If your a hunter go get exhaulted Ogrilla, pvp bg, or run few H SV and get a decent xbow so you can go to kara and not waste ppls time. Then when prince drops sfp bow have at it and get a true upgrade.
Ever see enhance shamy or hunter wearing leather armor that was "intended" for rogue (or maybe feral druid)? Hunter in guild has spiteblade and hope ender, rogues have sfp bow, and war has shuriken of negation and they use them to down Vash and Sunstrider. If your baby guild is struggling with Kara and needs to give a hunter an upgrade fine, but its no reason to screw a rogue in a powerful guild out of an upgrade. If its better, its better, lot it end of story.
Edited, Feb 25th 2008 1:16pm by Sylvii
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my old dum ass guild let a rogue need on this bow and he beat me why would they let an upgrade for a hunter go to a stupied rogue??? God people are stupied
Maybe it was because the Rogue was there contributing, just like you. 28 AP and 15 HR are good for a Rogue, and absent a loot system that defines things up front and transparently, ou're not entitled to label any piece of loot that doesn't bear the words "Class: Hunter" as "an upgrade for a hunter". God, people are selfish.
PS: Hunter here. One who defended to the mattresses the right for a Rogue to bid against the Hunters for Striker's Mark, way back in the day. If you're there, you've earned an equal right to a chance at the loot. Labeling an item as better for one class over another is always done as an alternative to just honestly saying "I want this, so it should be mine. No one else should want it except me."
Tbh, weapons should go to those who would get the most out of them. Would a warrior or rogue get as much use out of this item as a hunter? No, not by a long shot. Would a rogue get more use than a hunter out of a dagger or sword with +Stam, +Agi, +crit, but normal damage? No, not really. If it had +hit, or +Str, or +skill, a melee proc, or above average damage then that is a different story and many weapons have such. The only thing that could really help a hunter out of those is +hit, but a rogue's need for +hit is far more than a hunter's.
Rogues and warriors ofter forget that the stats on a hunter's melee weapon(s) have a huge impact on overall DPS. Hunters often forget that certain stats that don't mean as much to them, like Str, +def, +block, +skill, and to a lesser extent +hit, +dodge and +parry are very important to other classes. No hunter should take an epic melee weapon with a melee proc over a melee class. Hunters also need to be aware if the weapon damage is above average, making it more valuable again to melee classes since the actual damage a melee weapon does is superfluous to a hunter.
There is no gear that a hunter would need that isn't also needed by another class - especially Rogues and Enhancement Shamans who need almost identical stats (Agi, AP, and crit). This is why hunters have such a bad rep for taking things other classes can use, because unless the item is restricted to the hunter class, there is always another class that can use it.
The argument that weapons should just go to whoever COULD get SOME use ignores that some thing are truly built for certain classes. A ring with lots of Stam, +def, and +block with that rationale be just as likely to go to a warlock, rogue, or hunter (all of whom need Stam, especially the warlock) rather than a tank that it was obviously intended for. Overall I think most guilds that raid are smart enough to figure this out so it wouldn't be an issue, but PuGs are often filled with people that couldn't get into a guild for one reason or another!
"No, I can't rez you - unless you are willing to be my new pet!" - stated to a druid in Wailing Caverns who insited that Mooshoo rez him or he'd boot me from the group!
That has to be the lamest rationaliztion for Ninja'ing I've ever read. I'm sure the rogue got to ninja this for political reasons. No guild in it's right mind hands this xbow over to a rogue when it's an upgrade for a hunter. EOD.
Stupidest argument ever. No other piece of equipment increases the dps of a Hunter more than a long range weapon, that's why a gun, bow and crossbow should ALWAYS go to a Hunter if he needs it, in the same way as a good Sword or Dagger should ALWAYS go to a Sword/Dagger Rogue. There's nothing a Rogue or Hunter really can do in raids besides DPS and the most DPS comes from weapons/skills. And with increased DPS, your Raid will be more likely to proceed or make thing easier. Besides, there are thousands of blue long range weapons with stats that will contribute to a Rogue's DPS (Wrathfire Handcannon, Recoilless Sniper Rifle etc.). It doesn't have to be a ****ing purple weapon, but if you really want an epic gun on your Rogue, go exalted Honor Hold/Thrallmar.
Agreed, coming from another Hunter makes his argument even dumber and just sounds like he is attempting to be a "greater than though" holy roller. This is not a matter of "no one else should get it", but it is more of a matter as to who will get more out of it for the guild as a whole.
If you are only going to roll on this for the +28 AP, find yourself a decent throwing knife, you can get nearly as much AP out of it. A Hunter will and does get far better use out of these bows/guns/crossbows than any other class.
If it were a dagger, or sword we were talking about here, I would say that the rogue can/could and SHOULD have equal (if not higher priority) opportunity on the roll. However, we are not discussing a dagger or sword (which a rogue would do the majority of their dmg with) - we are talking about a ranged weapon, which is the mainstay of a hunter's dmg output. Saying a rogue (or warrior, or any other class which only uses ranged weapons as 'novelties', or pulling implements) has equal 'right' to such a weapon is ridiculous. Get a clue. Does that mean that the bad-ass sword with the uber dps should be rolled on by the warlock when it's clearly an upgrade for the warrior? No? Why not? Warlocks can use swords, and the added dps would be sweet for that clothie... Sounds pretty stupid eh? Same as saying ANY class other than a hunter should get 'dibs' on ANY ranged weapon over a hunter... Hunters deal dmg from 'range', meaning 'ranged weapons' hold higher priority for hunters. Period. Arguing absolutely ANYTHING against that statement only makes you look stupid, greedy, and a total noobcake.
"If it were a dagger, or sword we were talking about here, I would say that the rogue can/could and SHOULD have equal (if not higher priority) opportunity on the roll." You actually say that the should have same priority, a range dps and a melee dps should be able to need on both things.. kk, remeber this.
"However, we are not discussing a dagger or sword (which a rogue would do the majority of their dmg with) - we are talking about a ranged weapon, which is the mainstay of a hunter's dmg output." Correct.
"Saying a rogue (or warrior, or any other class which only uses ranged weapons as 'novelties', or pulling implements) has equal 'right' to such a weapon is ridiculous." I dont think that is really the reason. They need on it cause of the Equip stats, "same" reason as hunters need on daggers and swords cause of the increased agility, strength, stamina, whatever it might be. Hunters dont need on the daggers/swords cause of the DPS, they need for the stats.
"Get a clue. Does that mean that the bad-ass sword with the uber dps should be rolled on by the warlock when it's clearly an upgrade for the warrior? No? Why not? Warlocks can use swords, and the added dps would be sweet for that clothie..." Now you're just stupid. A warlock doesnt need the stats which a warrior do. If you would have said it a other way, a Paladin needing on a sword who have "increase healing and damage done by spells by up to %%" and which have alot of stamina, then you would have a better point.(warlock should be the one getting this, unless the paladin is a dps pally then I think they should have the same chance to get it.)
"Sounds pretty stupid eh? Same as saying ANY class other than a hunter should get 'dibs' on ANY ranged weapon over a hunter..." nothing to say against that, cause I dont know what "dibs" means.(guess it means they loose the ranged weapon to a rogue. About same reason as when a rogue loose a sword/dagger over a hunter)
"Hunters deal dmg from 'range', meaning 'ranged weapons' hold higher priority for hunters. Period." I agree with that, ranged weapons SHOULD be given to the hunter.. Same as Daggers and swords should be given to Rogue's first.
"Arguing absolutely ANYTHING against that statement only makes you look stupid, greedy, and a total noobcake." Tell me..
Ever see enhance shamy or hunter wearing leather armor that was "intended" for rogue (or maybe feral druid)? Hunter in guild has spiteblade and hope ender, rogues have sfp bow, and war has shuriken of negation and they use them to down Vash and Sunstrider. If your baby guild is struggling with Kara and needs to give a hunter an upgrade fine, but its no reason to screw a rogue in a powerful guild out of an upgrade. If its better, its better, lot it end of story.
Edited, Feb 25th 2008 1:16pm by Sylvii
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PS: Hunter here. One who defended to the mattresses the right for a Rogue to bid against the Hunters for Striker's Mark, way back in the day. If you're there, you've earned an equal right to a chance at the loot. Labeling an item as better for one class over another is always done as an alternative to just honestly saying "I want this, so it should be mine. No one else should want it except me."
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Rogues and warriors ofter forget that the stats on a hunter's melee weapon(s) have a huge impact on overall DPS. Hunters often forget that certain stats that don't mean as much to them, like Str, +def, +block, +skill, and to a lesser extent +hit, +dodge and +parry are very important to other classes. No hunter should take an epic melee weapon with a melee proc over a melee class. Hunters also need to be aware if the weapon damage is above average, making it more valuable again to melee classes since the actual damage a melee weapon does is superfluous to a hunter.
There is no gear that a hunter would need that isn't also needed by another class - especially Rogues and Enhancement Shamans who need almost identical stats (Agi, AP, and crit). This is why hunters have such a bad rep for taking things other classes can use, because unless the item is restricted to the hunter class, there is always another class that can use it.
The argument that weapons should just go to whoever COULD get SOME use ignores that some thing are truly built for certain classes. A ring with lots of Stam, +def, and +block with that rationale be just as likely to go to a warlock, rogue, or hunter (all of whom need Stam, especially the warlock) rather than a tank that it was obviously intended for. Overall I think most guilds that raid are smart enough to figure this out so it wouldn't be an issue, but PuGs are often filled with people that couldn't get into a guild for one reason or another!
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"No, I can't rez you - unless you are willing to be my new pet!" - stated to a druid in Wailing Caverns who insited that Mooshoo rez him or he'd boot me from the group!
If you are only going to roll on this for the +28 AP, find yourself a decent throwing knife, you can get nearly as much AP out of it. A Hunter will and does get far better use out of these bows/guns/crossbows than any other class.
Edited, May 4th 2007 1:07pm by RonoshBeast
You actually say that the should have same priority, a range dps and a melee dps should be able to need on both things.. kk, remeber this.
"However, we are not discussing a dagger or sword (which a rogue would do the majority of their dmg with) - we are talking about a ranged weapon, which is the mainstay of a hunter's dmg output."
Correct.
"Saying a rogue (or warrior, or any other class which only uses ranged weapons as 'novelties', or pulling implements) has equal 'right' to such a weapon is ridiculous."
I dont think that is really the reason. They need on it cause of the Equip stats, "same" reason as hunters need on daggers and swords cause of the increased agility, strength, stamina, whatever it might be. Hunters dont need on the daggers/swords cause of the DPS, they need for the stats.
"Get a clue. Does that mean that the bad-ass sword with the uber dps should be rolled on by the warlock when it's clearly an upgrade for the warrior? No? Why not? Warlocks can use swords, and the added dps would be sweet for that clothie..."
Now you're just stupid. A warlock doesnt need the stats which a warrior do.
If you would have said it a other way, a Paladin needing on a sword who have "increase healing and damage done by spells by up to %%" and which have alot of stamina, then you would have a better point.(warlock should be the one getting this, unless the paladin is a dps pally then I think they should have the same chance to get it.)
"Sounds pretty stupid eh? Same as saying ANY class other than a hunter should get 'dibs' on ANY ranged weapon over a hunter..."
nothing to say against that, cause I dont know what "dibs" means.(guess it means they loose the ranged weapon to a rogue. About same reason as when a rogue loose a sword/dagger over a hunter)
"Hunters deal dmg from 'range', meaning 'ranged weapons' hold higher priority for hunters. Period."
I agree with that, ranged weapons SHOULD be given to the hunter.. Same as Daggers and swords should be given to Rogue's first.
"Arguing absolutely ANYTHING against that statement only makes you look stupid, greedy, and a total noobcake."
Tell me..
This weapon looks lame, good dps however.
Drops in Karazhan.
Edited, Jan 13th 2007 4:45pm by Makenzie
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