I CANNOT wait to get my hands on this trinket. I'm a shadow priest, yes in PvE not just PvP. I pump out insane dmg and still compete with healers using Vamp Embrace and now Vamp Touch. With the new patch and talents my overall DPS has launched me on average a whole 3 slots higher on the damage meter. My problem is that Mind Blast causes soooo much threat, and now I have 15% extra crit on it, so I'm critting Taunt basically. On many fights I always worry about pulling aggro because if I unleash myself, I WILL rip aggro off the tank, it's so easy. I'd love to have this paired with my ZHC, if I can dual trinket those two, not sure if I can. If I can't, I'll use some other dmg trinket. THis fetish would allow me to unload on any boss and not have to worry about ripping aggro. And maybe knock me up a couple more slots on that meter.

BTW for all you PvE skeptics, I'm ALWAYS in the top ten for 40 mans, top 5 for 20 mans, and I have been 3rd for a whole 40 man before. So yes shadow priests can make a huge difference and the warlocks praise me. So don't tell me to heal.

For a dps warrior this item is GOD. Being able to open up combat with earthstrike+Deathwish without any threatconcerns does WONDERS for your dps.

I agree with the poster below me that this item can be used effectively by virtually every class. Classes that less use out of this are rogues, priests, paladins and hunters due to their innate aggro control abilities (vanish, fade, innate low threat heals, feign death). Not that they can't use it...its just not worth the dkp cost.

Personally, as a mage, I really think this is an awesome item. But not necessarily because of Arcane Power. Its because of AoE. Think of this item as an invulnerability pot when AoEing with competent warriors. Spike crits on AoE spells can cause 10+ mobs to turn to you at once, even with warriors trying to hold aggro. No healer can heal through that. But with Fetish of the Sand Reaver, you can AoE in tough spots with ease, and without the threat of drawing aggro. Whenver this drops, I plan on blowing all my current dkp on it. Nothing much left that I'd upgrade anyway, so something that adds this much functionality is a huge plus. Also, as a Fire Mage, I'd use this in conjunction with Combustion so big ignite rolls don't get me killed. =D

Other uses for classes:
Shaman/Druids => initially healing the MT on a tricky pull.
Elemental Shaman => going balls to the walls on dps
Warlocks => Hellfire when you don't want to be AoE-tanking. Curse of Doom. Shadowbolt spamming early in a fight.
DPS Warriors => During dps spike periods (deathwish/recklessness/executing)

Personally, I see the two classes who would use this the most *often* would be mages and locks. Followed by dps warriors. The rest could definitely use it, but would it be worth bidding high for it? Dunno, depends how much your guildies care about this item.

It´s a lot worse than it used to be since aggro reduction is multiplied:(
As a mage this+arcane sublety made AE cause no threat=free aoe in raids:P now i need to actually wait till tanks get some aggro:(
still very nice tho;)

Not to get off subject but...

What's the cooldown on this?

1. Rogues stop whine about using this, use feint a couple of times at an encounter and vanish instead if being so @#%^ing damagehungry, you missing a sinister strike because of you use feint or a mage/warlock going all out for 20 seconds?.

2. Warriors. Sure great for fury warriors but atleast 50% the times you TANK. no need for that trinket then, infact.. having that trinket as a tank is idiotic.

3. Hunters: Feign death, needless to say more

4. Mages: You already got 30% in your tree tbh, and in patch 1.12 threat reducing stuff wont stack.

Warlocks is the class with the biggest aggro issues, and now with 1.12 our aggro issues will be even bigger because now can do 50% more DPS with the new lifetap.
Warriors sure, but you tank 50% of the time, we do DPS 100% of the time.

so the class I think can raise their DPS the most is warlocks when using it. But! I know how my guild works so we will just have DPS prio on it :) But I know that no rogue or hunter will bid a thing at it.. maybe some mage abit. The classes which will bid the most is warlocks and our 3 wannabe "platerogues".

FFA with common sense ftw!

Over and out /Mazrigos EU pvp realm

This is so clearly a warlock trinket that I can't believe anyone would say otherwise.

Mages? They have massive aggro reduction in every tree now.

Rogues? Fade/disappear or whatever it is you sneaky guys do.

How about warriors then? we fury warriors are way much more effective dmg dealers than rogues, we only cant do as much dmg since we have to control our aggro = no aggro reducing abilities = big crits = wait.
DPS warriors/priests.

This is a great trinket for any class PvE-wise. If you think about it from a fury warrior's perspective, this trinket + deathwish are both 3 minute cooldowns. So hitting Deathwish + FotSR will work out almost perfectly when it comes to PvE dps.

This should either go to a warrior, or a mage, because these are the classes that have no ability to remove aggro or control it.

Recklessness, This, and execute spam = a happy warrior.

I don't think people realize what fade really does. Yes fade reduces your threat for 10 seconds, but after that 10 seconds is up, all that threat comes right back. Fade gives you a chance to stop healing (if possible) and lets the warrior build his agro back up above taht level. I have never stolen agro from the warrior in raid situations as a main healer. If i was an extra healer I MIGHT use this, but I would prefer to see this go to some heavy hitters that can't reduce agro.

Plus i really like my blessed prayer beads/draconic infused emblem combo (2 blues with all purple ftw).

Have done some thinking about this item:

Gear A
With Gear A you do 1149 dmg FB:s with CoE up and have 15% cirt and 7% to hit and you do 60 frostbolts + 3 piece NW and salvation. (my gear with the new staff and Mantle of the never drop in bwl...)

Gear B
With Gear B you do 1192 dmg FB:s with CoE up and have 15% cirt and 9% to hit and you do 60 forstbolts + 3 piece NW and salvation. (ny gear with the new staff and neffs trinket and Mantle of the never drop in bwl...sigh)

You are fighting a lvl 63 mob. he have a base chance to resist your spells of 17% and all mobs lvl 1-63 has a 1% chance to resist spells so effectively that puts i.e huhuran on 18% resistchance. Making the chance to “miss” with Gear A 18-7 = 11% and with Gear B 18-9 =9%.

Case1: AP+ZHC+FotSR

DMG

Of those 60 FB:s, 6.6 gets resisted. and 8 get critical.

From FB spam:

Dmg from 45.4 FB:s: 45.4*1149 = 52164.6 dmg
Dmg from 8 Crits: 8*(2*1149) = 18384


Total dmg: 70548.6
Total dps: 440.9

From trinkets and shizz:
AP+ZHC+FotSR




Total dmg: 15004.3
Total threat: 3748.4

Altogether dmg under 3 min: 70548.6 + 15004.3 = 85552.9

THREAT

For the 45.4 FB:s: (45.4*(1149-100)*0.7) + (8*(2*(1149-100))*0.7*1.5) = 50960.2
For AP+ZHC+FotSR: 3779.9

Altogether threat less than 3 min: 50960.2 + 3748.4 = 54708.6



Case2: AP+ZHC+Neffs

DMG

Of those 60fb:s, 5.4 gets resisted. and 8 critical.

From FB spam:

Dmg from 46.6 FB:s: 46.6*1192 = 55547.2 dmg
Dmg from Crits: 8*(2*1192) = 19072 dmg.


Total dmg: 74619.2 dmg
Total dps: 466.4

From trinkets and shizz:
AP+ZHC+Neffs




Total dmg: 15496.6
Total threat: 12920.3

Altogether dmg under 3 min: 74619.2 dmg + 15496.6 = 90115.8

THREAT

For the 46.6 FB:s: (46.6*(1192-100)*0.7) + (8*(2*(1192-100))*0.7*1.5) = 53996.6
For the AP+ZHC+Neffs: 12920.3

Altogether threat less than 3 min: 66916.9



Conclusions:

When you use AP+ZHC+Neffs Tear you generate 12920.3/3748.4 = 344% more threat then using AP+ZHC+FotSR and do 15496.6/15004.3 = 3.2% more dmg.

In the FB spaming over 3 min with the different combos you do 90115.8/85552.9 = 5.3% more dmg with AP+ZHC+Neffs but generate 66916.9/54708.6 = 22.3% more threat.

And my favourite reason, open with AP+ZHC+FotSR when the tank barley touched the mob and still live to tell about it :D

Edited, Thu Apr 27 09:58:57 2006

Obviously this will go to best use on who ever does the most damage in your guild, it can be any class really...BUT HUNTERS CAN CLEAR THEIR AGGRO AT WILL.

The real question is does this thing stack with ToEP or ZHC after 1.10?

This trinket is good for any dps class but AP mages get the most out of it if you ask me.

does this work to decrease ur aggro already generated?and what is the cooldown on it?

This is SO for warlocks... we dont have much to lower our agro but investing 30 points in demonology.

This would save our @SS a few times im shure :)
(mages and rogues have talents a lot higher)

Simply put, this is a mage item, giving it to the class that is going to have the most burst damage in a short period of time.

Warlocks have 8 piece Nemesis.. although they will not be using that forever, it is something temporary until you can get your mages hooked up with this.

One time I died 23 times in one full ZG run. I admit after the 10th time I was trying to pull aggro :D but this thing would help a ton hehe.

This is amazingly good for any class, I could spam backstab as much as I want and not gain agro

Imagine rogues being able to use this on Vaelstraz... would make things SO easy..

Recklessness+Fetish+Major Rage Pot.

Hunters need this because i am forever outdamaging our casters and pulling the gro. Give this to a hunter and you'll fly through AQ.

mages first then everybody else?

for mages have got no built-in way to reduce their aggro.
no i ain't a mage.