OK, when i go here, if this drops, I'm needing, i don't care if i get booted out of the group, all i want, is this, and that tiger mount. :)

60 hunter and this baby droped for us in zg, since no warrior wanted it
they gave it to the fellowe hunter me :)
ofc they are many better hunter weapons and i dont use it in raids.
but this beautie is a lifesaver in pvp,as it can take a mage head just in a swing of a raptor strike.
but i agree that hunters should roll only on weapons that mellee ppl dont want
i wouldnt dare roll on the hakari warblade allthough it gives 40+attack power
cause rogues and warriors need em more.
ill just take any leftovers :)
but id kill anyone who rolled on mandokirs sting over a huntard.

fecking hell u guys right alot of ballsh*t
i got it in a pub and im ahunter, i just got it cos noone wanted it and plus it looks cool, waiting for the 2hd sword from hakker, cant spell it but u know, anyways yeah it would look better and helps with Rap which the raid needs so meh :P

All the posts about who should get this weapon are pathetic, vain and show to the world, that deep down you are all greedy little american faggots, with too much time on your hands.

Go get a job.

Go get a life.

Let this game be.

This polearm is awesome for my pally with SoC. In one swing I got 700 crit, 435 SoC proc and 1600 weapon proc crit. I have a Finkle's lava dredger too but I prefer this for the burst damage in pvp plus it looks badass.

I WANT THIS!!! I've only seen it drop once which was like my first ever ZG raid.. Now im nearly Exhalted LOL, I have sh*tty lil Earthshaker which granted im prot specced so i dont need 2h but i really want this :)

not even gonna read all these longs ass posts. bottom line, if your a hunter and you use/want this, your a noob. end of story

Speaking of Polearms. I'd rather use the High Warlord's Pigsticker.

i would agree this isnt the best wep but its not a wast of dkp




60 palidid

ok ive read about EVERY post here and i know a warrior friend that has it and Warriors benfit the most from it then hunters then pallys, simply becuase it has a RARE proc and warriors have to most instant attacks out of all 3 and hunters have Raptor strikes(6sec CD), Mongoose bite(again 6sec CD), and wing clip(instant), but MS warriors(i dont even count Fury cuz its not a 2hfury weapon) have MS, hamstring, rend, cleave(not instant but it hits like 4 ppl so there is 4 chances to proc) and Sweeping Strikes, etc. pallys have Auto attack and it has a 3.50 sec attack speed, thats the only reason i say Pallys last but im sure im wrong baout hunters over them. but anyway i can understand hunters using it for PvP cuz no one goes after your pet(and yes im a hunter) but a GOOD hunter can ALWAYS stay away and just take them down or kite them to death cuz hunters will NEVER beat any melee class in melee damage and if you are a hunter and rely on the proc then you should go delete your character and never play this game cuz it will never proc enough to save your a$$ in a melee fight. and also raptor strikes is just about the only worthwhile melee attack for hunters and if your spec'd for it Counter attack but that rarely comes up w/o deterrence goin. so every1 STFU cuz this should be WARRIOR priority

I will respond to utherx and feverbloodscalp to explain why hunters would benefit from these kinds of weapons. I have played a hunter on PvP servers and spent a lot of time killing melee classes (thousands of killing blows in battlegrounds and top kills over half the time even when my faction loses). How can I do that? I use all resources at my disposal, but things like engineering and other strategies are beyond the scope of this rebuttal. Right now let's discuss weapons and the myths about hunter combat from the point of view of a hunter who kills more people in PvP than any competing class:

Wrongheaded argument 1: hunters should only care about stats (particularly agility). Ha ha! If you are fighting mobs, a little extra agility makes no difference because mobs are stupid and you just stand back and kill them at your leisure. If you are fighting PvP and players are so stupid that they let you stand back and shoot them, they will also die and deservedly so. But most players understand that they should close in and engage you, either casting in your dead zone or doing hand-to-hand combat. All that agility is worth ZERO at that point, which is where you will find yourself constantly in PvP.

Wrongheaded argument 2: hunters can't/don't/shouldn't melee. See above--everyone will want to melee you (except other hunters). Since you can't avoid melee, what should you do? If you have the savage strikes talent (of course you do), your crit chance is raised by 20% for the raptor strike you can do every 6 seconds. Make it count--get a big, slow weapon that will crit for a lot of damage. When they close in on you, take that raptor strike swing for +20% crit chance! Then hit them with a wing clip (which is instant cast) and run. You want to use a weapon with about a 3.5 second delay so that you get about one second to spam raptor strike every other swing after the cooldown expires. This will maximize your damage in melee (and it will be a lot with a monster weapon).

Wrongheaded argument 3: Hunters shouldn't get warrior/rogue weapons. Since rogues favor fast weapons, I would agree. I also wouldn't bother with any dual wield combinations (despite the popularity of such things in the hunter world, ostensibly to get the max +30 agility enchanting--see argument 1). But hunters need the biggest, meanest 2-hand weapon they can wield. That does put them in conflict with many a mighty warrior. Okay, if the weapon is better than what a warrior already has, let him have it. But if the melee guys already have something as good or better, the hunter deserves to get a shot at a good high damage 2-hander. In a PUG, people are going to be jerks about it. But a guild is just shooting themselves in the foot to deny a high crit weapon to their hunters, especially if they do PvP.

Now lots of people think that stats are more important than procs for a hunter. Let's consider why that is not true for PvP. Critical strikes and procs are both a kind of damage that increases variability. They don't occur often, but when they do, they skew the fight heavily in your favor if they are BIG. This is why fast, low damage weapons are worthless to hunters: your raptor strike can be used once every six seconds no matter how big the crit will be off the weapon, so a fast weapon will crit for less damage about as often as a slow weapon will crit for more damage.

But what about procs? Suppose you go for some +stat weapon that raises your average damage a few DPS. Will you win PvP fights more often? The answer is NO! For example, if that rogue or warrior can do 200 DPS and you and your pet can do 160 DPS, raising your DPS to 170 means that they will need a bigger bandage and you will still die every time. It is true that you will never be able to duel a melee class on their terms and win (just like they aren't going to stand at a distance and win a duel with bows or guns against a hunter).

So how do you compensate? Forget +AGI, that won't win in PvP. Weapon procs and high crit chance is the answer! Instead of going for +stats, go for weapon procs. That means getting something like Kang the Decapitator or the Halberd of Smiting and putting fiery enchant or lifesteal on it. As far as equipment goes, AGI only works on ranged attacks, but generic +AP and +crit helps both. Even strength is useful for buffing up your melee damage. Every seven seconds or so you are going to use raptor strike to give melee classes a taste of their own medicine, so make it painful. Did I mention that no competent hunter is missing the savage strikes talent?

Your strategy should be to do as much damage at range as you can (freezing trap, concussive shot, sic your pet on them, serpent sting, and net-o-matic projector) and then raptor strike for huge crits and possible weapon procs when they get close. Drop a stick of dynamite or a bomb on them, too. Make sure you have minor speed increase on your boots instead of +AGI, and consider using goblin or gnomish rocket boots to outmaneuver your opponent. There is also the rocket helm and harm prevention belt, too. And the deathray is a fun! Use wing clip to help you get back out to range. Kite them and crit them and proc them and they will die!

But the bottom line is that a big, nasty, 3.5 second melee weapon with a damage proc is a hunter's best friend in PvP.

Obviously warriors are going to lobby against a hunter getting it--but that is motivated by self-interest masquerading as sound advice. I already said that if your fellow warrior would benefit from a good melee weapon, let them have it. But if you are in an enlightened guild, you should be able to get a top-of-the-line melee weapon as a hunter. Melee is not the first choice for combat, but you should be prepared to use it to win a fight against an opponent you have weakened at range. Melee is the finishing move, rather than the opening move, for hunters.

As an additional gee whiz comment, let's mention hunter talents in light of PvP and melee. Most people say that the marksmanship tree is the way to go for maximum DPS. This is true for carebear PvE hunters who want to reinforce the "hunters are doormats for melee classes" image. But if you are doing PvP, the marksmanship tree is going to be totally worthless (as I said in argument 1, everyone is going to run up to you so you can't shoot them). What you need is to increase melee damage. That means improve your pet (the best DOT you have) with the beast mastery talents and getting survivalist skills that increase melee crit chance and damage.

"But no one will want me in raids if I follow your advice!" I hear some hunters wailing. Wake up! No one wants you in raids anyway, so you are already lucky if you get to go at all. You will be missing that worthless aura and alittle DPS. Mages and rogues will actually be glad because it will be easier for them to top the damage meters if you are nerfed. Just do your part and support the team and collect your epic gear--so you can lay waste to your critics in battlegrounds! It is much more satisfying to send warriors, rogues, and shaman to the graveyard wondering what happened because, as every imbecile knows, hunters can't melee.

Im a warrior, i have it, its great fun, +5 crit from polearm spec make it just as good as arc reaper, if you got the money to spend on it, the proc can crit upwards of 1300, the proc also works with cleave, ww and sweeping strikes from what i have seen, no hunter needs this, its pointless, useless and a waste of your dkp / time / roll, hunters need stats, and not rely on a proc, get icebarbed if you want a polearm.