9.31% Chance To Drop. (1,857 in 19,946) Found on 2 creatures in 1 zones (average creature level: 1).This item is found on creatures which usually require more than one group to kill. This item can only be found on specific creatures.
Eh i dono how good these are. I have cloudkeeper legplates on my war. And i just need to put a 8 str enchant on my legplates and these only have 2agi and 2 stam more.....i would go for titanic legplates much more....any idea on this?
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All Hellscream charactors lvl 70 warrior-Ivorywarrior
In my guild, when anything of the Fallen Crusader drops, it's a warrior/paladin class call. If Paladin's are tired of Warriors taking this, perhaps you should lay off the Helm of Endless Rage for awhile and save for this.
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Balance Druids: I don't want to hear about your silly crits.
This leggings is easily the best for a DPS/PVP paladin or warrior, yes it has intel on it and warriors dont need intel but show me another leggings better than this for a DPS warrior, anyone ever heared of DKP?....if you have enough DKP and want the leggings then yes you have earned it, grats to the person with the most DKP, pallies bid on items with no intel so what's the crime if a warrior want to bid on the leggings? (pallies suck at DPS anyways) *cough* I don't see the word "Paladin" ritten on it.
Read my post about the barb of the sand reaver..... While these are definately MOST suited for a paladin... If its an upgrade....a warrior can EASILY make very good use on these...I NEVER complain when someone who can USE an item rolls for it..... and for this... you are most likely using your DKP to get them.....So its all good in my book.... cheer your guildmate when he gets them over you... and your day will come....
Just my Thoughts. But for warriors,theres alot better leggings than these,and what use do you get out of intellect?apart from a slight bit quicker weapons skill.Im my Guilds raid,we allow paladins to "DPS"(Please don't give me that"even holy priests out damage paladins!" stuff.),i play both a 60 warrior,and paladin.and personally i would NOT go for these as a warrior.
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Mirinoko 70 Undead Combat Rogue. My Fists,Your face.
Thankfully our raid also uses a Priority system that prevents greedy b00ns from getting stuff that would overall benefit other classes more and since Int gear is pointless on Warriors and Off-Warriors are pointless in Raids anyway, these pants are obviously Pala Loot. Nice in BG's and for farming stuff.
warriors get priority on all plate that doesnt have int, which is a lot more than plate that does have int. so when plate legs with int drop, and i dont care what the other stats are, cus paladins use EVERY stat, its paladin loot. warriors can have it... when the paladins that want it have all gotten it.
hell for warriors they arent even all that big an upgrade over the legplates of heroism :p
does these drop for horde? they're easily the best dps warrior leggings in the game, after rank12 legs ofcourse, which you can't really hope to get if you have a life.
These are legplates for holy warriors not for paladins that play like a support class. Warriors bidding on this are retarted tho. There are better alternatives then these legs for them. These own for PvP indeed ^^
I got these pants today, they are a pretty good upgrade to my bloodsoaked, with more agi. I overbidded 2 palas and Im not ashamed of it. These pants is _ONLY_ for paladins in PVP/DUEL situations, as my role in BWL is to do DMG, I gladely spend DKP on these leggings, cuz they got almost the same stats as Helm of Endless Rage. "BUT HEY ITS INTELLECT ON THEM!1111 WARRIOR DONT HAVE MANA!?+1+1!+" paladins dont get anything out with agility and strenght in BWL, and in our guild, everyone is allowed to bid on stuff, if it suits them in PVE situation, as this does for me. I'd say palas, go for judgement or lawbringer for pve, If you like PVP, sure save DKP and bid for it, but dont expect warriors to pass cuz of the intellect on them.
last time i checked agility gave + armour bonus to all classes?
if your in a high end guild also running MC in a night in a week then you prolly need offtanks here and there....so i dont see why paladins dont need these for PVE too
The name itself sounds like a paladin item. 'Legguards of the Fallen Crusader'.
If it was intended more towards warriors, aside from the stats being differant, I'm sure it would have been named something along the lines of Legguards of the Fallen Gladiator.
In my opinion, as a paladin, Lawbringer is better in most cases, these would be good for PvP Paladins.
The name itself sounds like a paladin item. 'Legguards of the Fallen Crusader'.
If it was intended more towards warriors, aside from the stats being differant, I'm sure it would have been named something along the lines of Legguards of the Fallen Gladiator.
In my opinion, as a paladin, Lawbringer is better in most cases, these would be good for PvP Paladins.
The name itself sounds like a paladin item. 'Legguards of the Fallen Crusader'.
If it was intended more towards warriors, aside from the stats being differant, I'm sure it would have been named something along the lines of Legguards of the Fallen Gladiator.
In my opinion, as a paladin, Lawbringer is better in most cases, these would be good for PvP Paladins.
I have gotten these today (as a warrior), and i am quite pleased with them. They are a nice upgrade from bloodsoaked leggplates, with the agi on them. Do note that all the paladins in the guild either had them allready or don't want them. I would never consider looting them over a paladin.
There's almost no plate with a decent amount of intellect and strength. The plate that came with the last patch (around four pieces) totals for more strength than the entire lawbringer set. And it has 83 times more strength than judgement!
I don't get it why some ppl say paladins don't need agility :|. I got a paladin myself (@ bladefist) and i love agility. I only need 17 agi for 1% crit chance. So this nice baby gives me like 1.3% crit chance + that intellect. pwn3d.
Paladins need agility just as much as Warriors do -.-
-- This is one of those Paladin items. I see too many warrior morons crying over paladins wanting to roll on ...obsidian edged blade....or earthshaker etc. Something like this which - minus restrictions is CLEARLY a Paladin Piece of Plate and Warriors go ballistic because it has a piece of agility on it.
Beautiful. Hahah. Oh well at least warriors can use the int -.-
Well their players anyway. As a Raid Leader I will not be allowing Warriors to bid on this.
Edit; As a side note: Unless you're on a noob (PvE/RP) Server These are better than Judgement by miles, and 'significantly' better than Lawbringer. As a Paladin in PVP If you are going to play your class properly, you are NOT ONLY there to heal, but you are there to get into the thick of it. Melee make noise, draw attention to yourself, unlike a priest you can TAKE damage AND heal.
Then again I do get more kicks/counterspells/stuns/gouges/sheeps/etcccccccc than most priests in our BGs ~~
You sir, are a goddamn @#%^ing idiot, i'm surprised your guild lets you run raids you sad excuse for a leader. RP/PVE are noobs servers? @#%^ off, I'm sure other RP and PVE server people are behind me on this.
"I see too many warrior morons crying over paladins wanting to roll on ...obsidian edged blade....or earthshaker etc. "
so you let pallys get oebs and other awsome warrior gear but you hate warriors who whine about it. but as soon as something what bennifits a warrior just as much as a pally but since it has int on it, that makes it pally only no warriors can bid. seems like a real fair system you got.
face it these guys are just like the hunters who foll on anything that has agility no mattar how much... i personally think that it should be restricted to only paladins using it. warriors don't need intellect they don't use spells, they don't have mana, all they use intellect for is to improve their weapon skills which if they don't have to 300 by the time they do bwl they are noobs. but that reason holds no leverage over the reasons for why a pally needs int. and every class uses AGI so that argument will go nowhere
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Kieria: lvl 60 paladin on feathermoon server
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for christ's sake, we all pass on valor for u guys without a word. even if having full valor could increase our performance in AV, we still don't do it. why? because we can actually recognize the fact that warriors will make far better use of it than a pally ever could. ive never ever seen another pally in my group even bringing up the idea of rolling. now then, these leggings come along, and its a +17 INT on them. obviously, we'll make use of the intellect. warriors, on the other hand, will make no use of it other than to speed up their weapon skill progression. thats a pretty bad excuse for looting it.
+AGI isn't just for +Crit... it's also adds to your armor value. My AC has droppped considerably since i started building up my INT gear. The extra AGI on these legs would help boost my AC and survivablitlty back up a little bit.
That's an odd opinion. I don't care if retribution-specced paladins aren't very popular in the end game, many paladins still try to get vengeance, a skill which greatly adds to our phys/holy damage once we crit. And crit rate, as you know, is upped by agility. Paladins who want to do big, burst damage like to seek out +agility gear, and that's all there is to it. Too bad Blizzard only made one paladin set (Field Marshal's Aegis) to cater to that preference. So, I guess there's something to be said for that theory, considering Lawbringer and Judgement are basically agility-less. Um...thanks, Blizz.
hate to point out but most if not all the epic sets cater/are geared towards boosting 1 spec mainly.
for instance Might & Wrath sets have not a single point of AGL, & the passive & set bonuses are about increasing block/parry/shield block value......so therefore hardly useful for a Arms/Fury spec warrior.
Is good for when have to be a super-sub off-tank on boss adds etc. but lil else.
I would never use that crap for my paladin, as both Lawbringer and Judgement are MILES better than that piece of sh*t. Same thing for my Warrior, Wrath is way way better than it and I would probably use Might over it, depending on my defense skill, but the armor+agility are attractive. For PvP.. no sh*t, go get the legs with 1% crit from DM those suck. So.. yea itemization win again O:
Excuse the intrusion on your lovely arguement but I think most (but not all) of you are missing one major point:
NO guild able to run Blackwing Lair will be using group loot. None of them, not a single one. All will be using a points system, as it's far fairer for their playstyle.
Now that we've discredited the "omg I'd roll on them" and "omg warriors/paladins can't roll on them, i'll kill you!" posts...
Anyone who can use and item and make usage of it's stats should be able to decide for themselves whether it is worth their points or not - not you. It's not your job to label an item as belonging to one class or another, if it was I'm sure no one would be playing this game anymore.
If you're going to post mindless drivel about who can and can not roll on an item because your holyness declared it, I'd recommend you reconsider.
My personal opinion on the leggings? Were I do have a high level paladin or warrior in a large raiding guild which farms every boss in MC and is progressing through BWL I would most likely pass on these, regardless, unless I were a hardcore PvP fan. Warriors have no use for int in PvE once they have levelled their weapons, paladins have no use for strength during PvE due to their role as support. There may be unique cases where a paladin is performing the "DPS" role, but most likely that's an in-joke for the guild in question...
I think they are saying "roll" when they in fact mean to bid points, dkp, and so on, depending on whatever version their guild takes. I use the word roll too when I in fact mean DKP/whatever. (I haven't seen any of the "roll" people say "roll NEED").
It's all easier if we understand that "roll" means any form of "rolling" your raid is using. Not everyone uses the same formula.
DKP seems to be the most popular so I think Blizz should add a built-in DKP tracking system.
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She's not a NUN, she's a PRIESTESS, which means she does get it, and gets lots of it...
Yay, they've past second grade now! Anyways, what dude says is right, no one ever uses group loot in the high end raids. It's generally on master-loot and sometimes FFA loot. As for people who want it, Warriors and paladins both CAN get better. It doesn't mean they will. The way my guild is set up is if these pants were to drop, I'm betting most warriors would pass and our two retarded valordins would bid dkp on it and they'd be the only ones. After winning these pants they forfeit the ability to roll on judgement pants until all the other paladins in the raid get them.
EVER THOUGHT OF THIS: Warriors are on horde, and are on alliance, YET, paladins are ONLY on alliance. To make gear less side dependant(like shaman mail for instance) blizzard throws on the int so that it caters for both the alliance paladin, and the horde warrior. Is that better for your feeble little minds? As a level 60 orc warrior, id equip these over my valor(or cloudkeeper, if i ever get them) in a heartbeat.
Me myself, I play a warrior, but I wouldn't roll or spend dkp on this item, since the int bonus definitely declares it as a pally's item, though I could equip em. Most warriors will be of the same opinion but on the other hand, there are many pallys who think they could just take any piece of plate armor, even things which are obviously designed for warriors, like gear with stamina, strength, agility attack power and crit. So please Pallys, we accept this belongs to you, but you should accept, that lots of other stuff should be ours.
This is an item I would pass on for a pally if one needed.
lvl 70 warrior-Ivorywarrior
anyone ever heared of DKP?....if you have enough DKP and want the leggings then yes you have earned it, grats to the person with the most DKP, pallies bid on items with no intel so what's the crime if a warrior want to bid on the leggings?
(pallies suck at DPS anyways)
*cough* I don't see the word "Paladin" ritten on it.
Edited, Sun May 14 12:13:28 2006
Peace!
But for warriors,theres alot better leggings than these,and what use do you get out of intellect?apart from a slight bit quicker weapons skill.Im my Guilds raid,we allow paladins to "DPS"(Please don't give me that"even holy priests out damage paladins!" stuff.),i play both a 60 warrior,and paladin.and personally i would NOT go for these as a warrior.
70 Undead Combat Rogue.
My Fists,Your face.
Not a lot of legs are better, there may be 1 or 2. If you ignore the int on these legs all together they're still good for dps warriors.
Current TBC: 70 Rogue
~*What do you call a paladin with res sickness? A Warrior*~
hell for warriors they arent even all that big an upgrade over the legplates of heroism :p
Edited, Sat Apr 1 13:25:52 2006
So yeah, pally item.
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does these drop for horde? they're easily the best dps warrior leggings in the game, after rank12 legs ofcourse, which you can't really hope to get if you have a life.
Warriors bidding on this are retarted tho. There are better alternatives then these legs for them.
These own for PvP indeed ^^
a Holy Warrior
70 Undead Combat Rogue.
My Fists,Your face.
70 Undead Combat Rogue.
My Fists,Your face.
if your in a high end guild also running MC in a night in a week then you prolly need offtanks here and there....so i dont see why paladins dont need these for PVE too
And 44 more armor won't save you anywhere.
2nd warrior with these leggings on my server, we both have the only two sets.
>:)
If it was intended more towards warriors, aside from the stats being differant, I'm sure it would have been named something along the lines of Legguards of the Fallen Gladiator.
In my opinion, as a paladin, Lawbringer is better in most cases, these would be good for PvP Paladins.
If it was intended more towards warriors, aside from the stats being differant, I'm sure it would have been named something along the lines of Legguards of the Fallen Gladiator.
In my opinion, as a paladin, Lawbringer is better in most cases, these would be good for PvP Paladins.
If it was intended more towards warriors, aside from the stats being differant, I'm sure it would have been named something along the lines of Legguards of the Fallen Gladiator.
In my opinion, as a paladin, Lawbringer is better in most cases, these would be good for PvP Paladins.
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Blizzard must be going somewhere with this. :)
60 night elf rogue - Nathrezim
40 human warlock - Nathrezim
Edited, Wed Oct 5 03:19:28 2005
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This is one of those Paladin items.
I see too many warrior morons crying over paladins wanting to roll on ...obsidian edged blade....or earthshaker etc.
Something like this which - minus restrictions is CLEARLY a Paladin Piece of Plate and Warriors go ballistic because it has a piece of agility on it.
Beautiful.
Hahah.
Oh well at least warriors can use the int -.-
Well their players anyway.
As a Raid Leader I will not be allowing Warriors to bid on this.
Edit;
As a side note:
Unless you're on a noob (PvE/RP) Server These are better than Judgement by miles, and 'significantly' better than Lawbringer.
As a Paladin in PVP If you are going to play your class properly, you are NOT ONLY there to heal, but you are there to get into the thick of it.
Melee make noise, draw attention to yourself, unlike a priest you can TAKE damage AND heal.
Then again I do get more kicks/counterspells/stuns/gouges/sheeps/etcccccccc than most priests in our BGs ~~
Edited, Sun Sep 18 01:56:21 2005
RP/PVE are noobs servers? @#%^ off, I'm sure other RP and PVE server people are behind me on this.
"I see too many warrior morons crying over paladins wanting to roll on ...obsidian edged blade....or earthshaker etc. "
so you let pallys get oebs and other awsome warrior gear but you hate warriors who whine about it. but as soon as something what bennifits a warrior just as much as a pally but since it has int on it, that makes it pally only no warriors can bid. seems like a real fair system you got.
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Edited, Tue Aug 30 04:14:49 2005
for instance Might & Wrath sets have not a single point of AGL, & the passive & set bonuses are about increasing block/parry/shield block value......so therefore hardly useful for a Arms/Fury spec warrior.
Is good for when have to be a super-sub off-tank on boss adds etc. but lil else.
Edited, Fri Dec 2 00:35:01 2005
Same thing for my Warrior, Wrath is way way better than it and I would probably use Might over it, depending on my defense skill, but the armor+agility are attractive.
For PvP.. no sh*t, go get the legs with 1% crit from DM those suck.
So.. yea itemization win again O:
Edited, Fri Aug 12 13:32:50 2005
NO guild able to run Blackwing Lair will be using group loot. None of them, not a single one. All will be using a points system, as it's far fairer for their playstyle.
Now that we've discredited the "omg I'd roll on them" and "omg warriors/paladins can't roll on them, i'll kill you!" posts...
Anyone who can use and item and make usage of it's stats should be able to decide for themselves whether it is worth their points or not - not you. It's not your job to label an item as belonging to one class or another, if it was I'm sure no one would be playing this game anymore.
If you're going to post mindless drivel about who can and can not roll on an item because your holyness declared it, I'd recommend you reconsider.
My personal opinion on the leggings? Were I do have a high level paladin or warrior in a large raiding guild which farms every boss in MC and is progressing through BWL I would most likely pass on these, regardless, unless I were a hardcore PvP fan. Warriors have no use for int in PvE once they have levelled their weapons, paladins have no use for strength during PvE due to their role as support. There may be unique cases where a paladin is performing the "DPS" role, but most likely that's an in-joke for the guild in question...
Rants are fun =)
It's all easier if we understand that "roll" means any form of "rolling" your raid is using. Not everyone uses the same formula.
DKP seems to be the most popular so I think Blizz should add a built-in DKP tracking system.
:)
(Scarface - Win, Lose Or Draw)
Most warriors will be of the same opinion but on the other hand, there are many pallys who think they could just take any piece of plate armor, even things which are obviously designed for warriors, like gear with stamina, strength, agility attack power and crit.
So please Pallys, we accept this belongs to you, but you should accept, that lots of other stuff should be ours.
If you want tanking (the high AC of the pants) gear, then get might.
Thanks.
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