5.78% Chance To Drop. (2,945 in 50,970) Found on 4 creatures in 1 zones (average creature level: 1).This item is found on creatures which usually require more than one group to kill. This item can only be found on specific creatures.
DPS is easy because my class is overpowered. Dealing with nerfs is easy because I always get them. Tanking is easy because everyone already hates me. >:(
i got this for my warrior at first and i lov'd it then i got it for my pally for his Pvp set its a really good pair of shoulders for warriors and if ur a DPS pally (which ppl say there cant be , but there r) its the one of the best shoulders for ya, so let the warriors get it before u get with ur pally
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"These are clearly pala shoulders' NOOOB! if they were pally shoulders they'd have a little bit of int or spirit. IMO, if any pally in MY raid group tried for these, i'd kick them from teh guild. Warrior shoulders to the max, stam/str/agi=best warrior stats for pvp AND tanking.
Man, who's the noob? When will stupid people stop to reply on provoking posts? Its true that these are very good shoulders for retibution-paladins for exact the same reasons why they are the best shoulders for dps-warriors. If a warrior wants them, he should simply overbid the others, and not expect that he receives everything as a gift. You know, thats the deeper meaning of a DKP system. And by the way, spirit is a totally useless stat for a paladin.
I do more dmg than any arms warrior with fairly lesser gear. I don't know how hard they try but I try my decently best as retri pala. My guild got a good idea about hybrid classes and we also use a balance druid. It works out very well. We got a fury warrior that is very hard to outdamage though - if he just doesn't die lol.
We have 3 fury warriors, 2 arms warriors that has had thoughts about respeccing to fury and 2 of our tanks was fury before they specced prot. Fury dps ftw :P
I aggree with you, but there is such a huge over population of Paladins in this game that in several cases guilds will end up making a couple of pallies go DPS because they don't have enough warriors to do so, and they have more than enough healing already. So yeah, Pallies should be healing and buffing, but that's not always how it works out. IMO that's why Blizzard left items like this without a class distinction.
Yeah, because that's all there is to this game, raids.
I find the double standard curious...Warriors are expected to have great defense, be wearing a shield and 1h sword with lots of stamina--yet they're first choice for all 2h swords. When a paladin attempts to roll on something (say, a nice 1h) They're told it would be better for the raid if a rogue had it.
Remind me not to heal you, if I ever see you in an instance.
I'm a paladin, and I wouldn't bother spending DKP on this item personally. There are items out there that are way better for a pally, and help us do way more damage than these.
As far as the person that posted above me saying that warriors are the best dps...riiiiiight! You're smokin' something good man. No doubt that they are the better of the two plate wearing classes, but I think I've only ever seen warriors in the top 5 DPS maybe half a dozen times in all the 40 man raids I've been on (which has been a ton). With comparably geared and knowledgable mages, locks, hunters, and rogues you will rarely ever see a warrior that can out DPS those classes.
/Agreed with robycanoby, get your ass out of that sh*t hole that is MC and you will see that fury warriors are impossible to keep up with in BWL gear, even on my tier 2 rogue I still struggle to keep up with the damage they can deal over a course of a raid. How ever when we were back in molten core warriors never touched me on the damage meter and there was no threat that they would until they started picking up items like this,the chromatic boots,onslaught belt or whatever it's called and the imba one handers that drop off nef, firemaw etc. so yes, up to and in MC warriors won't out damage hunters/rogues/mages etc but when they get their hands on items like this and the Aq40 DPS gear then you will realise why paladins shouldn't be allowed these until all warriors either have them or have passed on them.
"With comparably geared and knowledgable mages, locks, hunters, and rogues you will rarely ever see a warrior that can out DPS those classes."
Apparently our raids are very different from yours. The only class that is consistantly above dps warriors on the dps charts for single target sustained dmg (most boss fights)are rogues. DPS warriors, hunters, and mages are mixed in after that, usually with our fury warrior in the top 5 (I've rarely seen a lock in the top 10, but maybe we just have lazy locks?). And that's the way it should be. Most dps classes have some other raid purpose in addition to dps, whether it be buffs, debuffs, off-tanking when needed, etc. Rogues are there strictly for dps, so if they aren't at the top, there wouldn't be much sense in having them there.
As for the "comparable gear", most guilds don't even have a comparably geared dps warrior until they finish AQ40. Why? Other dps classes tier sets are built for dps, a dps warrior has to piece together random drops throughout MC/BWL/AQ40 to get an entire set.
20 Agility, for a Warrior, is 40 Armor and 1.something percent crit.
20 Strength is 40 Attack Power.
17 Stamina is 170 HP.
So these grant OVER two percent crit, 40 ATP, and 170 HP... They're EASILY epic shoulders.
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All things being equal, it will be the one who tries who will triumph.
Rilgon Amarstus, Draenei Hunter, Goblin Engineer "Because, after all, the only thing better than shooting your enemies is seeing them exploded before you. Risk? Please. Everything is a risk."
pretty imba shouldours.
DPS is easy because my class is overpowered.
Dealing with nerfs is easy because I always get them.
Tanking is easy because everyone already hates me. >:(
Its true that these are very good shoulders for retibution-paladins for exact the same reasons why they are the best shoulders for dps-warriors.
If a warrior wants them, he should simply overbid the others, and not expect that he receives everything as a gift. You know, thats the deeper meaning of a DKP system.
And by the way, spirit is a totally useless stat for a paladin.
But ofc there are ppl who dislike healing and want to do dps.
You have rolled wrong class.
Nekura, 60 Female Undead Warrior
Here's what they look like.
Edited, Mon Aug 22 12:50:35 2005
in raids...plz just run ur buff mods & decursive
u'r needed for extra healing, buffs & rezzes, and extra dps where appropriate.
plz choose gear that is better suited to these functions ^
Edited, Sat Oct 15 00:26:50 2005
I find the double standard curious...Warriors are expected to have great defense, be wearing a shield and 1h sword with lots of stamina--yet they're first choice for all 2h swords. When a paladin attempts to roll on something (say, a nice 1h) They're told it would be better for the raid if a rogue had it.
Remind me not to heal you, if I ever see you in an instance.
As far as the person that posted above me saying that warriors are the best dps...riiiiiight! You're smokin' something good man. No doubt that they are the better of the two plate wearing classes, but I think I've only ever seen warriors in the top 5 DPS maybe half a dozen times in all the 40 man raids I've been on (which has been a ton). With comparably geared and knowledgable mages, locks, hunters, and rogues you will rarely ever see a warrior that can out DPS those classes.
Apparently our raids are very different from yours. The only class that is consistantly above dps warriors on the dps charts for single target sustained dmg (most boss fights)are rogues. DPS warriors, hunters, and mages are mixed in after that, usually with our fury warrior in the top 5 (I've rarely seen a lock in the top 10, but maybe we just have lazy locks?). And that's the way it should be. Most dps classes have some other raid purpose in addition to dps, whether it be buffs, debuffs, off-tanking when needed, etc. Rogues are there strictly for dps, so if they aren't at the top, there wouldn't be much sense in having them there.
As for the "comparable gear", most guilds don't even have a comparably geared dps warrior until they finish AQ40. Why? Other dps classes tier sets are built for dps, a dps warrior has to piece together random drops throughout MC/BWL/AQ40 to get an entire set.
read the warlock forum and you will understand unfortunately :(
20 Strength is 40 Attack Power.
17 Stamina is 170 HP.
So these grant OVER two percent crit, 40 ATP, and 170 HP... They're EASILY epic shoulders.
Rilgon Amarstus, Draenei Hunter, Goblin Engineer
"Because, after all, the only thing better than shooting your enemies is seeing them exploded before you. Risk? Please. Everything is a risk."
since 20 agi for a 60 warrior = 1% crit
and there's nothing else on them that increases chance to crit..
care to elaborate?
Thannos - Sniper
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