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this is pretty much a reference to any weapons that are involved in the hunt/war/rogue disputer..... first hunts need melee weps, so do rogues/wars second the reason rogues/wars dont hav priority on the ranged weps is because most of em hav lower stats and mainly the high dps lastly if a hunt rolls and u need it as a rogue/war....then u roll and hope to win its the same thing as if only a war rolld it doenst matter o one more thing no one respond to this and no more blabbin about the subject:)
Well I am a Rogue and the both of them just dropped last night (my second run ever in UBRS) and I received both of them. Haven't enchanted yet cause the last patch destroyed my dreams. Was going to enchant with crusader and life stealing, oh well. Looking for a new combo. Any suggestions?
This wepon dropped for me in my 2nd Ubrs run and I was leader I was about to take it for myselft and then this warrior goes and rolls and says its mine give it to me ( he had the offhand also) and I was like Wtf and then after threatening of spamming my name in lFG and getting me kicked out of my guild I gave it to him.... jerk
man I have been looking for this thing for weeks, but I havnt seen it drop once during the countless time I have ubrs, it is litterally driving me insane...
Edited, Oct 12th 2006 at 7:51am PDT by DamnSacredCharge
why is it that if you look at the boards under ranged items, you see lots of rogues and warriors saying 'nice bonuses, i wanted it, but a hunter said he needed it so i let him have it' but if you look at the same boards under mellee items you see lots of hunters telling you why they should roll on it, WHAT IS WRONG WITH HUNTERS, I understand that these items will boost your ranged damage but i'm sure there are many items which will do that, a combat rogue can only use swords and he also must have a fast off hand sword and a slow main hand sword, that is why they get pissed off with hunters and often wont group with them (who would they claim to need everything) have all the axes, 2 handers, fast main hand swords, slow off hand swords etc that you want, we dont need em, but when and item drops that is one of the very few that is usefull to a combat rogue, dont roll on em, just like if a super bow with +2 crit or something drops we pass if a hunter wants it
The people who go and say "OMGZ0RZ MAD HUNTER LEWTS" are all the little 10 year olds who go around shouting obscene things in Barrens Chat because they think they're cool. There are a few actual hunters who know how to play and understand what a hunter needs. There are reasons a hunter would want this, but even so, hunters will never, EVER take priority on melee weapons. And most hunters understand this (I am a 60 Hunter, Shruikan, Shadowsong Server if you want me to prove it). However, the Dal'rend set does have things a hunter would desire (the 50AP and 1% crit, w/ +15 agi on each would make for a nice combo for both ranged and the few times when a hunter needs to go melee *The big red bugs in AQ*). Thats all I have to say. Please stop flaming hunters.
Dual Bone slicing hatchets (hunter's best weapon choice) yield 56 agi and 10 stamina. thats 112 RAP and 1.05% to crit
Dal Rends Set yields 30 agi, 50 RAP, +7 to defense, and +1 % to crit thats 110 RAP and 1.57% to crit
So the decrease in 2 RAP is more then made up for in the .52% chance to crit and yet the communities of non hunters choice for best hunter weapon offers no where near what the set offers. I was always under the impresion that that if it can ad a valuble increase to a classes main damage they should be able to roll. This is the arguement rouges and warriors are using for the set?
Um, I'm sorry, but, uh, it doesn't add nearly as much to a hunter's damage as a rogue's damage. You get .52% to crit, all you really get (and lose 2 RAP) over your Bone Slicing Hatchet duo. You're totally right, if an item will increase a classes damage in some way, they deserve it. But not really =). You see, if you give this to a rogue, he's going to have a melee weapon that is absolutely the best rare sword in the game that I know of, so the best sword for a rogue who doesn't feel like farming and buying a Teebu's Blazing Longsword, and isn't in a raiding guild. Same goes for warriors, they would benefit from this just as well.
Now look at hunters, and again think to yourself the reason you want this. You want .52% crit. They want the best weapon they can get for their range. We don't go to threads about ranged weapons and yell "ROGUE WEAPON". You guys deserve ranged weapons over us because we don't use ranged weapons very often, and are only for stats.
That's what melee weapons are for you, ONLY FOR STATS. Rogues and warriors need this for absolute DPS, not for stats to slightly increase DPS.
I could go on about this for ages...
Hunters, go all out on getting your stat axes. Rogues and warriors don't usually go for those (with the exception of warriors, which they usually go after the slower [2.50+] axes).
Ya, I'm just going to stop it here because I'm bored of rambling on about reasons that should just be common sense.
I totally agree with you that hunters deserve to roll, but not over rogues and warriors. If they have it or something close to it in DPS, and you have a greeny with 5 agility, then you deserve it more. But in most cases, come on?
First off, this is a combat speced rogue's wep over any other class cause it benefits them more than other classes. Second off, two sentences........Dont do pugs. Join a guild a do it with them.
It is the best blue hunter 1h weapon in the game.... with both the dal'rends u get 50ap which is 25 agil BoneSH are 52 ap total.... and 10 stam.. id much rather have 100 armor 4 strength 7 defense and 1% crit chance than 1 agil and 10 stam... and plus dal'rends have more dps which is nice when soloing. Rogues.. get real.. use daggers
Dagger is total crap for damagedealing in raids, every single raid you have a combatrogue on top of the dps-list. If we werent supposed to use it we wouldnt be able to spec it.
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I dont disagree with hunters rolling for this item though, if you gain on it, do it.
Look, Hunters, you are ranged. RANGED. Sure, there is a time when you HAVE to use melee. But Rogues are Melee DPS 24/7. TWENTY FOUR SEVEN. They are straight up melee damage, and they need this more than you. Do them, no, everyone a favour, and back off of these puppies UNLESS a Rogue or Fury War doesn't need them(doubtful).
Edited, Mon May 29 07:47:17 2006
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Hunters, contrary to popular belief, do need melee weapons. NOT, as the train of thought seems to be, to do melee dps (yes, we are ranged, duh) but for STATS.
Hunters not needing melee weapons is like telling a caster he's not allowed to have a mace "zomg sif casters melee, give 2 a wari0rlolololz"
1. Rogues and Warriors would benefit more from this weapon than Hunters would.
2. Hunters get dibs on ranged weapons(excluding wands) first. Rogues and Warriors get dibs on melee weapons first. Not getting it yet? Okay.
3. The stats on this weapon would be crap compared to bone slicing hatchet for a Hunter. Please, run Strat instead for your melee weapon if you want it "just for stats".
4. Extra defense? For Christ sake, you wear mail. Us Rogues are stuck with leather forever.
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Great stats? Thats your defense? Rogues and warriors will actually be using this weapon AND benefitting from the stats, which arent too amazing. You could find a much better 2h weapon to slap a +25 agi enchant on that will add aditional stats. grow up dude hunters who roll a rogue on this and win should be thrown in canada.
Both swords dropped for me yesterday on Exectus. I was pretty happy considering I was using Thrash MH and Mirah's OH. Was thinking of switching to dagger spec also cuz I couldnt find a good MH sword...
I went to UBRS with a PUG and some warrior told me this : Dalrends are to slow for rogues........... I was like WTF?! The point Rogues want it is because its slow( and then hardhitting) for high Sinister Strikes.
When i leveld my Warrior to 60 and first got to IF i was asked to join UBRS i was hopeing that this would drop on rend and it did. But an combat specced rogue out bidded me:< well i got Valor shoulders so im happy anyway. It Was a good first run tbh.
Edited, Wed Apr 26 06:33:05 2006
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wow i got lucky, first run in tehre and i got this, heh no rogues wanted it so it went to me cause the other hunter had BSH, plus its better hten ym DE so i took it ^.^
why does rend hate me so.... I have run Ubrs aproximatly 75 times... and still havent seen it drop once, i got the offhand, but this thing is being a bitch to me
First UBRS run I ever did and this dropped (30 runs later and Tribal Guardian still hasn't dropped.) Eight people including me need on this. Rogues...check, Warriors...check, Hunter...well uh...ok...check, Warlocks and Mages...che...wai...WHAT?
Just because your class can use a certain category of weapon doesn't mean you should go rolling over other classes who really do need them. I wouldn't go rolling over mages for staves or wands even if they were BoE so it'd be nice if locks and mages had the decency not to roll need on melee weapons when rogues or warriors do need them.
God help me if Felstriker drops...
PS. I actually won it and was very pleased. Though I kinda felt sorry for the warrior who had done some 50 runs trying to get this and not even seen this drop before. Now if only Tribal Guardian would drop.
this set is for hunters too itll give 110range attack power increase when enchanted...the highest of any melee combo in the game plus it has nice +d stats for pvp.
basicly 2 hand equivlent of barbarous blade come 1.10
Heres a nice story i go to ubrs to help a couple of people out. THen i wanted to put together the dal rends set everyone is like it takes about 100 runs. Ok we fight rend so i mliuke ok guys pray for me. And everyone is like /pray. then all of a sudden both drp, nice eh. THe na whole mess of people roll on both atlest 8 people roled 2wice so im like eh whaty the heck iroled 1ce on each 1 and got a 100 on both and i got em. NOw i have 2 beautiful swords that were no trouble at all to get but a miracle occured that night. lvl 60 warrior dremoran realm rexxar
recently re-spec'ed to swords on my rogue and went on a ubrs run with the OH already equipped and only needed the MH to complete the set. killed rend.. BOTH swords dropped (good, right? right!) then when asked to /random for it from the raid leader, other rogue rolls a 26, i roll 60.. /wait 4 seconds out of nowhere the pally (using a Destiny) rolls a 61 and says "omg i was afk i almost missed that roll!" and actually got it and later tells me he needs it to off-tank with his shield when i /t him.. i saw him a few days later in another raid group and he was still using destiny.. correct me if i'm wrong but this sword is supposed to be used to do damage and 'DPS' pallies should be using a 2h weapon, right? so why does he say he needs it to off-tank..i'm still pissed
I think this is a rogue sec cuz its a hard hitting main hand with crit and the set even gives a nice attack power bonus!All u need if u are a rogue. Get 15 agi on both thats another crit! Hunters get some weird axe. This is rogue stuff.
what the hell is the interest in this weapon for hutners?? we had a guy taht was adamant this was the best two weaps for them. Im a hunter and this thing is just crap.. screw 1%crit.... and bone slicing hatchets with enchants? if you want crit and are bitchin about the price then this is not the way to go becase you spend about half as much yet get less than half the crit chance..and thats only if you can't find someone to make dawn's edges. Get someone who can do taht and you can get them for like 20g worth of mats (with a lil collecting of your own, dont be scared to do some work for yourself)...
what the hell is the interest in this weapon for hutners?? we had a guy taht was adamant this was the best two weaps for them. Im a hunter and this thing is just crap.. screw 1%crit.... and bone slicing hatchets with enchants? if you want crit and are bitchin about the price then this is not the way to go becase you spend about half as much yet get less than half the crit chance..and thats only if you can't find someone to make dawn's edges. Get someone who can do taht and you can get them for like 20g worth of mats (with a lil collecting of your own, dont be scared to do some work for yourself)...
what the hell is the interest in this weapon for hutners?? we had a guy taht was adamant this was the best two weaps for them. Im a hunter and this thing is just crap.. screw 1%crit.... and bone slicing hatchets with enchants? if you want crit and are bitchin about the price then this is not the way to go becase you spend about half as much yet get less than half the crit chance..and thats only if you can't find someone to make dawn's edges. Get someone who can do taht and you can get them for like 20g worth of mats (with a lil collecting of your own, dont be scared to do some work for yourself)...
i had these as a fury warrior , i was out dpsing mages and rogues ( rogues that alrdy had them ofc ) and they said it was because i kept getting flurry :) lucky me
Lost a roll on this today to a Pala. I'll refrain from naming him. I'm gutted, since I already have the OH. 1st time I ever saw it drop. Billionth run. Gutted.
HUNTERS DO NOT ROLL ON THIS!!!!!! get a bone slicing hatchet or dawn's edge, the only hunter's who should roll on this are none! leave it for rogues and warrriors plz
just got today, im a hemo spec rogue, and this dagger rogue tried to tell me he needed it and procedded to roll on it, he said he was respecing so i told him he didnt say anything about it before the raid started so i was taking it, so i took it and everyone else was like okay lets move on (no one cared i took because i am using swords ATM and he wasn) so this rogue left and started spamming me a ninja in channel...but whatever i dont care he was just being an as$hole
Person with the spec should get it, not some jerk who wants it to respec later. Who is he to say that? He is someone that was about to get jacked by a guy that prolly wanted to DE it.
You sound like the guy who might have been spammin /2 with "Ninja" on this guy.
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For the same reason Warriors and Rogues want the weapon... The +1% crit = 52.5 Agility for a hunter. I'd still defer to a melee based toon on this, but it is nice.
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first hunts need melee weps, so do rogues/wars
second the reason rogues/wars dont hav priority on the ranged weps is because most of em hav lower stats and mainly the high dps
lastly if a hunt rolls and u need it as a rogue/war....then u roll and hope to win its the same thing as if only a war rolld it doenst matter
o one more thing no one respond to this and no more blabbin about the subject:)
This set is fair game for the 3 classes as they all put these swords to good use.
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its great for my fury spec. now all i need is it's brother...
Edited, Oct 12th 2006 at 7:51am PDT by DamnSacredCharge
Dual Bone slicing hatchets (hunter's best weapon choice) yield 56 agi and 10 stamina.
thats 112 RAP and 1.05% to crit
Dal Rends Set yields 30 agi, 50 RAP, +7 to defense, and +1 % to crit
thats 110 RAP and 1.57% to crit
So the decrease in 2 RAP is more then made up for in the .52% chance to crit and yet the communities of non hunters choice for best hunter weapon offers no where near what the set offers. I was always under the impresion that that if it can ad a valuble increase to a classes main damage they should be able to roll. This is the arguement rouges and warriors are using for the set?
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Now look at hunters, and again think to yourself the reason you want this. You want .52% crit. They want the best weapon they can get for their range. We don't go to threads about ranged weapons and yell "ROGUE WEAPON". You guys deserve ranged weapons over us because we don't use ranged weapons very often, and are only for stats.
That's what melee weapons are for you, ONLY FOR STATS. Rogues and warriors need this for absolute DPS, not for stats to slightly increase DPS.
I could go on about this for ages...
Hunters, go all out on getting your stat axes. Rogues and warriors don't usually go for those (with the exception of warriors, which they usually go after the slower [2.50+] axes).
Ya, I'm just going to stop it here because I'm bored of rambling on about reasons that should just be common sense.
I totally agree with you that hunters deserve to roll, but not over rogues and warriors. If they have it or something close to it in DPS, and you have a greeny with 5 agility, then you deserve it more. But in most cases, come on?
Happy rogue, very nice set for us.
http://wow.blupp.net/item.php?id=23564 dont we all want this?
with both the dal'rends u get 50ap which is 25 agil BoneSH are 52 ap total.... and 10 stam.. id much rather have 100 armor 4 strength 7 defense and 1% crit chance than 1 agil and 10 stam... and plus dal'rends have more dps which is nice when soloing. Rogues.. get real.. use daggers
http://wow.blupp.net/item.php?id=23564 dont we all want this?
Sword > Claw
Claw > Mace
Mace > Dagger
Dagger is total crap for damagedealing in raids, every single raid you have a combatrogue on top of the dps-list. If we werent supposed to use it we wouldnt be able to spec it.
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I dont disagree with hunters rolling for this item though, if you gain on it, do it.
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Edited, Mon May 29 07:47:17 2006
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Hunters, contrary to popular belief, do need melee weapons. NOT, as the train of thought seems to be, to do melee dps (yes, we are ranged, duh) but for STATS.
Hunters not needing melee weapons is like telling a caster he's not allowed to have a mace "zomg sif casters melee, give 2 a wari0rlolololz"
These give great stats which INCREASE RANGED DPS.
1. Rogues and Warriors would benefit more from this weapon than Hunters would.
2. Hunters get dibs on ranged weapons(excluding wands) first. Rogues and Warriors get dibs on melee weapons first. Not getting it yet? Okay.
3. The stats on this weapon would be crap compared to bone slicing hatchet for a Hunter. Please, run Strat instead for your melee weapon if you want it "just for stats".
4. Extra defense? For Christ sake, you wear mail. Us Rogues are stuck with leather forever.
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The point Rogues want it is because its slow( and then hardhitting) for high Sinister Strikes.
But an combat specced rogue out bidded me:< well i got Valor shoulders so im happy anyway. It Was a good first run tbh.
Edited, Wed Apr 26 06:33:05 2006
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Didn't finish it last night due to it geting late so hopefully the OH will drop when we go back tonight.
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First UBRS run I ever did and this dropped (30 runs later and Tribal Guardian still hasn't dropped.) Eight people including me need on this. Rogues...check, Warriors...check, Hunter...well uh...ok...check, Warlocks and Mages...che...wai...WHAT?
Just because your class can use a certain category of weapon doesn't mean you should go rolling over other classes who really do need them. I wouldn't go rolling over mages for staves or wands even if they were BoE so it'd be nice if locks and mages had the decency not to roll need on melee weapons when rogues or warriors do need them.
God help me if Felstriker drops...
PS. I actually won it and was very pleased. Though I kinda felt sorry for the warrior who had done some 50 runs trying to get this and not even seen this drop before. Now if only Tribal Guardian would drop.
itll give 110range attack power increase when enchanted...the highest of any melee combo in the game plus it has nice +d stats for pvp.
basicly 2 hand equivlent of barbarous blade come 1.10
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anyway tahts my stand
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anyway tahts my stand
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anyway tahts my stand
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Also, Dawn's Edge is for suckers. Its extremely expensive (about 60g)for a low amount of extra power.
I would suggest going dual bone slicing hatchet +15 agi enchant for the real power. Gives more crit chance and normal dps too.
Edited, Thu Mar 2 12:34:59 2006
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Person with the spec should get it, not some jerk who wants it to respec later. Who is he to say that? He is someone that was about to get jacked by a guy that prolly wanted to DE it.
You sound like the guy who might have been spammin /2 with "Ninja" on this guy.
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This set is a Fury Warrior or Combat Rogue set, hands down -
Get a Bow and some arrows, Legolas and show us what your class is SUPPOSED to do!
I am a 60 Rogue, combat Spec - this set is great with +15 enchants each and crit gear.
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