7.48% Chance To Drop. (2,492 in 33,301) Found on 2 creatures in 1 zones (average creature level: 62).This item can only be found on specific creatures.
THE BLIZZ GUYZ must of been drunk when they made this sword,+10 def. rating and 100 armor simply wasted on an off-hand sword,wtf does rogue need def.rating and 100 armor?NO,this is a tanking sword they could at least put it an one-hand slot =S:|
While a survival specced hunter could benefit from this set, a rogue or warrior is much better suited for them. There are better items for all three as a matter of fact, but for a hunter to roll need on these when a rogue or warrior needs them also is not wrong but in most cases will be considered a crime.
I'm a combat spec rogue I want the set but nonetheless I'ts a set for rogues, warriors and hunters, period it sucks have to roll with everyone but such is life thats like saying I have better attack power than some other rogue or warrior than I should get it first duh fuce it it's for them rogues warriors and hunter specially a survival hunter who is a very good melee fighter, I've seen a hunter win a melee fight with a warrior in BG, survival spec with both dal rend, not the best melee fighter but still very good, after all a combat spec rogue is much better melee fighter than a fury warrior ( barely but better ) and the warriors roll on it too
I hate those goddamn hunters that win the roll too but there's nothing we can do...
ok every hunter has the right to these weapons, but please if you're not survival have the decence not to roll on this since besides looking cool it doesn't make much diference on you... serch something like an axe with agility or something
Not saying it should be hunter prio only, but it should also be hunter prio. Hunters (before BC release at least) gain 2 attack power from 1 point of agility. More attack power = more damage ranged, which is our main source of damage. To have the both swords would give us: 50 attack power, 1% crit (from a ranged point of view). Slap 2*+15 Agi enchants on the weapons and we get: 30 Agi (60 ap) 50 ap, 1% crit. Now compare that to 2*Bone Slicing Hatchets with 15 agility enchants on them, and put them up against eachother.
Bone Slicing Hatchet: 13+13+15+15 = 56 Agi (112 AP, and a little crit) Dal'Rend Set: 30 Agi/60 AP, 50 AP (110 AP, with around 0.5% more crit)
So far Dal'Rends is winning by a small amount, but wait. While not in instances most hunter spends quite alot of time in melee (unless you're a bot), and here weapon damage helps us quite alot. (wont do the offhand damage)
Bone Slicing Hatchet: 48-90 damage at 1.70 speed (40.6 dps) Dal'rend Main hand: 81-151 damage at 2.80 speed (41.4 dps)
I prefer higher damage slow weapons on hunter, since i mainly engage melee to get a Raptor+Wing Clip in, and then move back to ranged. Since Raptor Strike is dependant on weapon speed, and we get this in first it will be at same speed no matter what weapon speed (seeing we press the button before we move in), and Wing Clip is instant so speed doesn't matter at all here. This means quite alot more damage the time we spend melee, so these weapons are (imo) quite alot better on a hunter than Bone Slicing Hatchet.
Ofcourse if a rogue/fury warrior has really crappy weapons a hunter should pass it too them, but calling it warrior/rogue priority is just plain wrong imo. You "steal" our ranged weapons only for stats, and pulling once and a while (warriors only). We at least engage melee with weapons and put them to use, rather than just have them sitting there for stats.
- Just my thoughts..
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this sword is nice... but there is better for ALL classes.. i'm fury and have it, the set is good for everyone and if u want this weap then u hav every right to roll on it like everyone else... especially if u hav been toughing out the grind for it... i've killed rend like 15 times and only seen this drop... i was the only fury wasrr/rogue so i got it... the hunter wass smart and was usin 2x bone slicing hatchets with big agi enchants. don't get me wrong if i lost this to a hunter i would be pissed because rogues and warr are actually supposed to hit ppl... but the bonuses for the huntersz are well worth there wait and effort dso they hav every right to roll.... ppl should stop complianing about class specific thing because its bull crap... if u see it and it benefits u then u should roll for it end of story :) hope u like that hunter it was REALLY hard to say.
Dropped on my Second UBRS Run, Won the roll with a 4 as I was the only Rogue in group & Warrior had better weapons, Can already tell the differance in my attacks as I had out-dated weapons for my level, Good sword IMO.
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i was just wondering, i`m a combat rogue sword spec and isn`t it better to get Assasination Blade for offhand and dal'rend for MH?u get 2% crit with both swords and AB is also quite fast...i was just wondering, am i right or should i go farm the offhand Dal'rends sword?
thts what i have and i think im willing to drop the +1 to crit for the 50 ap tht and i'm waiting for my brut blade which im hoping to get next week so if it doesn't drop this week no biggy ill get brut blade :D
Yea it's a fairly nice weapon to have if your a Fury Specd War, or a Sword specd rogue, but it is REALLY hard to obtain if your going on a Rend Run, because it fills with Wars and Rogues, close to instantly.
Bah... I've been on about 20 runs and it's dropped twice... The first time, some sh*tty 58 rogue beat me and a warrior for it... the lamest thing about it is he was terrible... died at least 10 times, Leeroyed the eggs... pulled the Anvil boss... and was #6 on the damage meter... only beating our secondary tank ( who was a druid... ) Bah I'm over that...
And the second time, the leader of the run, a warrior who wasn't fury specd, turned on ML and ninjad IT, and EVERYTHING ELSE...
Believe we were all pissed...
So now, I'm using a Lifestealing Krol ( occasionally swapping out for the Lifestealing Dal'Rend's Sacred Charge ) and a friggin Firey Hanzo Sword ( ... I hate this friggin sword... )
This sword set is for warriors and rogues. If I ever saw a hunter in my group roll a need on it I would kick him out of group because there is so much better weapons for them.
lol, hunter's aren't allowed to roll on those weapons either. Hunter's aren't even welcome to roll on bows or guns cuz warriors and rogues can use them.
Don't bother saying that hunter's shouldn't roll on a weapon because some other weapon is better--if you check the forum on the other weapon, there will be a post saying they shouldn't get it cuz the first weapon is better. It's all a circular argument.
It would be better to just admit to ourselves that hunter's aren't welcome in the game at all and simply never allow them in groups. Or we could be honest and admit that if a weapon is the best thing they can use, then they are entitled to roll on it no matter what class they are. A lot of the high end items are so rare that it is pointless to tell someone to wait for the "better" weapon. They will probably never see it drop any more than the competing classes are going to see a better drop for themselves.
Of course, I agree that a warlock rolling on an item just to disenchant it seems a bit extreme. But my daughter was in a group when the sunrazor dropped, and a druid won it over all the rogues. They spent half an hour cajoling the druid to either equip it or give it up, and finally he equipped it (he wanted to sell it for 1000 gold, of course). That is what blacklists are for.
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A lvl 60 pala seemed to think he could use it!! Luckily all who needed it only rolled below 26 and i rolled a 28. then this pala says he needs and rolls a 44 and we argued for about an hour until i was given it from the leader ^^. he then went in anger and aggroed everything and we wiped.
didn't this used to be +crit chance? now it's +defence skill.... a sword rogue may like, as he's a lil wannabe offtank anyway, but the skulforge rever seems to be better because it HAS the crit bonus.
i'd still get it if i was able, because its raw dps is much better than my assassination balde.
This sword combo is awsome for hunters. 50 atk power 1% crit chance, Slap agility 15 on both those suckers and you have yourself one of the best combos.!
This sword combo is awsome for hunters. 50 atk power 1% crit chance, Slap agility 15 on both those suckers and you have yourself one of the best combos.!
I won it with a 100 roll but the leader declared "It's a rogue's weapon" and gave it to someone else.. I agree that it would be a nice sword for a rogue, but it would have also been a very nice upgrade for me, and I won the roll...
Got it on my first run to. As if you care. Had t(h)rash blade before. So it was kinda of an upgrade. Got blademaster leggings and felhide cap the same day. Friday the 13th actually. -_- The other rollers got unlucky I guess
Im a hunter and i won the charge, and a whole bunch of rouges got pissed, they went and aggroed everthing and left the raid. I feel really bad now. srry
I'm surprised the group let you roll on it. It's certainly good for hunter, who may use it in 20% of their attacks), and the crit bonus is nice, but its high max damage is much much more beneficial to a Rogue, who would use it in 100% of their attacks.
the off-hand is fury warrior / rogue wep, I'm fury specced, been farming it for over 2 months now, dropped once, lost to rogue with dagger specc+ he only had 184 in sword skill >.< I only have mainhand so really want off hand :D
This set is great for fury Warriors and maybee Hunters could use it to due to the armor and defense bonus, ofc it works with Rouges but id prefer atleast one dagger.
I know that almost every rogue wants this and I know they should have rights to it...but....because of the +100ac and +7def, I think I would equip it to use for tanking. Not trying to start an arguement..just stating.
God damn it, can you stop fussing about what level and how hard Rend is? We're supposed to talk about this lovely sword which I'll probably wont get in a while.
lv 500 is blizzs way of telling u he is a boss HEADS UP. if u cant see the mobs lv by 53, chances are it is a boss. lv 500 means special attacks and the like.
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I hate those goddamn hunters that win the roll too but there's nothing we can do...
Hunters (before BC release at least) gain 2 attack power from 1 point of agility. More attack power = more damage ranged, which is our main source of damage. To have the both swords would give us: 50 attack power, 1% crit (from a ranged point of view). Slap 2*+15 Agi enchants on the weapons and we get: 30 Agi (60 ap) 50 ap, 1% crit. Now compare that to 2*Bone Slicing Hatchets with 15 agility enchants on them, and put them up against eachother.
Bone Slicing Hatchet: 13+13+15+15 = 56 Agi (112 AP, and a little crit)
Dal'Rend Set: 30 Agi/60 AP, 50 AP (110 AP, with around 0.5% more crit)
So far Dal'Rends is winning by a small amount, but wait.
While not in instances most hunter spends quite alot of time in melee (unless you're a bot), and here weapon damage helps us quite alot. (wont do the offhand damage)
Bone Slicing Hatchet: 48-90 damage at 1.70 speed (40.6 dps)
Dal'rend Main hand: 81-151 damage at 2.80 speed (41.4 dps)
I prefer higher damage slow weapons on hunter, since i mainly engage melee to get a Raptor+Wing Clip in, and then move back to ranged. Since Raptor Strike is dependant on weapon speed, and we get this in first it will be at same speed no matter what weapon speed (seeing we press the button before we move in), and Wing Clip is instant so speed doesn't matter at all here. This means quite alot more damage the time we spend melee, so these weapons are (imo) quite alot better on a hunter than Bone Slicing Hatchet.
Ofcourse if a rogue/fury warrior has really crappy weapons a hunter should pass it too them, but calling it warrior/rogue priority is just plain wrong imo. You "steal" our ranged weapons only for stats, and pulling once and a while (warriors only). We at least engage melee with weapons and put them to use, rather than just have them sitting there for stats.
- Just my thoughts..
Didnt even want em really but no one else could use em, so I took em both.
Might give these a try with a fury build.
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lol 1/17/2007, Replaced with Green from Outlands & Replaced Tier 1 Pants with a Outlands of the Bear item..rofl
Edited, Jan 18th 2007 2:13am by thedarknesswithin
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This would be One of the best Tanking Guns in the game, Shame its Bound to Offhand.
Bah... I've been on about 20 runs and it's dropped twice... The first time, some sh*tty 58 rogue beat me and a warrior for it... the lamest thing about it is he was terrible... died at least 10 times, Leeroyed the eggs... pulled the Anvil boss... and was #6 on the damage meter... only beating our secondary tank ( who was a druid... ) Bah I'm over that...
And the second time, the leader of the run, a warrior who wasn't fury specd, turned on ML and ninjad IT, and EVERYTHING ELSE...
Believe we were all pissed...
So now, I'm using a Lifestealing Krol ( occasionally swapping out for the Lifestealing Dal'Rend's Sacred Charge ) and a friggin Firey Hanzo Sword ( ... I hate this friggin sword... )
http://wow.blupp.net/item.php?id=23564 dont we all want this?
As no one needed them I was allowed to take them both. Quite nice!
Would be a pretty spiffy tanking sword otherwise.
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oh well and Barbarous Blade with +25 agi for pvp
Edited, Sun Apr 2 10:02:58 2006
Don't bother saying that hunter's shouldn't roll on a weapon because some other weapon is better--if you check the forum on the other weapon, there will be a post saying they shouldn't get it cuz the first weapon is better. It's all a circular argument.
It would be better to just admit to ourselves that hunter's aren't welcome in the game at all and simply never allow them in groups. Or we could be honest and admit that if a weapon is the best thing they can use, then they are entitled to roll on it no matter what class they are. A lot of the high end items are so rare that it is pointless to tell someone to wait for the "better" weapon. They will probably never see it drop any more than the competing classes are going to see a better drop for themselves.
Of course, I agree that a warlock rolling on an item just to disenchant it seems a bit extreme. But my daughter was in a group when the sunrazor dropped, and a druid won it over all the rogues. They spent half an hour cajoling the druid to either equip it or give it up, and finally he equipped it (he wanted to sell it for 1000 gold, of course). That is what blacklists are for.
Luckily all who needed it only rolled below 26 and i rolled a 28. then this pala says he needs and rolls a 44 and we argued for about an hour until i was given it from the leader ^^. he then went in anger and aggroed everything and we wiped.
a sword rogue may like, as he's a lil wannabe offtank anyway, but the skulforge rever seems to be better because it HAS the crit bonus.
i'd still get it if i was able, because its raw dps is much better than my assassination balde.
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t(h)rash blade before. So it was kinda of an upgrade. Got blademaster leggings and felhide cap the same day. Friday the 13th actually. -_- The other rollers got unlucky I guess
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100 - 14.38 = 85.62% chance to have neither sword drop. (6 out of 7 runs)
10.9% * 3.48% = ~0.38% of a chance to see both drop at once. (1 in 263 runs)
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Sorry, I had to get that out. Melee hunters place in only one location on the damage meters: directly above the healers.
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Not trying to start an arguement..just stating.
A shield would be better.
I mean, putting a 2.8 speed weapon at all in Fury is terrible, same with having a 1.8 speed wep. in your off-hand.
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