For the love of Azeroth - NERF WARLOCKSFollow

Why would they be unique? That doesn't make any sense.
Corruption is a Dot Spell in the Affliction line, whereas Immolation is a DoT spell in the Destruction line. Soul Siphon and Unstable Affliction are 30 and 41 point talents spells in the Affliction, respectively. They're all different spells. Your stings and traps are more akin to a warlock's Curses, of which there can be only one per target. The other spells are listed are just normal spells, similar to your shots and strikes. Amazingly enough, you can just dispel the DoT. UA will hurt you if you dispel it, but that's why you have potions and cure spells.

uhmm well if you think locks are OPed then what about dirty rouges stunning you to death and not even being able to move? now tell me that is not bulls%%t. i understand that each class has its strong points and weak points, heck silence a caster and hes done, but them damn rouge can kill you just as easy and i think faster. I ride my mount get rouge stunned and dont even drop off mount i die there and there is nothing i can do about it , sure u can use a trinket to help ya for about 5seconds but what then?? locks play thier class the way they should and yes even thoug i hate rogues with a passion for thier stunning they are playing the way they should. i am not well geared but can handle my druid well enough in a BG.
before saying a class needs to be nerfed think about how they are made to be played. i do agree that spell effects should poof if they die, but hey learn to live with it and avoid them lol

Yes, it is wrong and stupid. Not only is having one Warlock required for Healthstones and Soulstones, if you properly gear a Warlock in non-tier gear, it can out DPS any class. The Warlock's greatest power lies in patience. Once you've assembled a real set of power for warlocks, their DoT's, pet, and bolting skills combined makes them the best contributors in damage... discluding when Blizzard AoE and Arcane 'Splosions are needed. (I argue that raids should use 'Locks in these situations with Hellfire, but not many have the balls)

I can see a Warlock easily stepping beyond his tier-gear's station and becoming the most powerful damager in the game. However, these things come with a price; Stamina. Many Warlocks would **** themselves if they lost 200 STA for, like, +400 more spell damage and +6 crit...

Why? Because alot of Warlocks have no skill. They need to be ensured that they will survive melee encounters, because they don't know how to avoid one. They use excuses like, "No, it's for Life Tap, it's for Life Tap!!!"

I call ****************** You get enough INT from damage gear to topple the +15% conversion of health and mana, plus you don't waste your time using a global cooldown. So now you know why Warlocks like Fel Guard; they don't know how to survive, so they get more "survival" crap. Voidwalker was too temporary, and temporary doesn't = survival. But Fel Guard is a defensive god. It's an excuse for all the powerful Warlocks to switch to Soul Link.

Pussies... I agree that Warlocks chose to nerf themselves. If you choose Soul Link spec, you're not playing like a DD badass should.

It is truly the most gear dependant, mainly either you kill quick or you're dead quick.

Also, I don't think most you people have thought thoroughly what cutting off DoT's at death would be like in general game terms (after all, all you care for is for trashing the lock and surviving afterwards anyways so no big surprise)

dont forget that CloS is not going to be prep-able after that change either. so yes, every rogue has it, but theres no longer any chance of rogues making themselves immune to all magic for 10 seconds + stuns.

honoestly, rogues will have it pretty well after that. theyll finally be the cloth killers i think they were intended to be. it only takes 65 levels of getting boned by casters more often than not before they finally come into their own.



warlock howl of terror, even untalented, is vastly superior to intimidating shout. intimidating shout has a cooldown thats 4 times as long as howl of terror, takes 1/4 of the warriors total power to use (25 rage...imagine if howl of terror took 25% of max mana) and intimidating shout needs a target in order to work. said target also isnt "feared" per se; they are "cowed", and do not move. however, any damage (and i mean ANY) breaks the primary fear, which works counter to one warrior ability and two warrior talents; rend, deep wounds, and blood frenzy.

Consistency. Curses are debuffs. All other buffs and debuffs survive the caster, since they're cast-and-forget. The warlock curses were bugged and only recently fixed.

They were miscoded as channeled spells. Before, if you had a curse on you and the warlock died or if you got away from him, the damage would stop - but it would restart as soon as the warlock rezzed or got closer.

Warlocks cast DoTs. That's what they do. If you wanted to do that, you would have become a warlock.

Ya know, I should just try and ignore this thread, but it's becoming clear that it won't die, so I will give one more argument to attempt to make this thread die. EVERY class has something that makes it "broken", EVERY SINGLE ONE. Some require specific talent builds, but if you are going to complain about a broken class, complain about all of them, specially since most of the "class x is broken" threads seem to assume that each class has ALL the talents somehow.
In order as listed on alla under classes

Druid - The have nearly the same power level in each of their forms as the normal class, can shift between them at will instantly, and even breaks snares and polymorph when they do?!?!?! OMG BROKEN!

Hunter - They do massive crits, have a strong pet, and they never have to get within arms reach of you?!?!?! ZOMG BROKEN!

Mage - They can do massive crits to a large area and snare a large group of people instantly, making them sitting ducks?!?!?! ZOMG BROKEN!

Paladin - They have an ability to prevent all damage of any kind to themselves while they heal back up to full and buff themselves to all hell at their leisure?!?!?! ZOMG BROKEN!

Priest - They can heal the whole enemy party while fearing people, causing massive shadow dmg, AND regaining health + mana by doing so?!?!?! ZOMG BROKEN!

Rogue - Stunlock, need I say more?!?!?! ZOMG BROKEN!

Shaman - Massive windfury crits (yes, I actually hear the like 5% chance of that massive crit as a call on both the oboards and here as a reason to nerf shamans)?!?!?! ZOMG BROKEN!

Warlock - I'll actually skip this one, as we have 7 pages on it now.

Warrior - They get the defense of plate, AND can do powerful dps?!?!?! ZOMG broken! (though I'd say warrior is the most "balanced" of all the classes)




This is how every single nerf thread I have ever seen sounds to me, and yes I have seen nerf threads using every single one of these arguments. If you think a class is broken, admit they are ALL broken and demand a GLOBAL nerf! Oh wait, that'd affect your class too? And you suddenly don't like that idea? Than STOP THE FREAKING NERF THREADS and let them die in the flames of the spam abyss! Now, I am going to stop posting in this thread and start praying it dies.

umm im a little late to join in this rant-thread funn but.. there is a usermade movie about this... its about ignorant rogues complaining about how warlocks need to be nerfed and they are way overpowered... go to warcraftmovies.com and search "world of roguecraft". and if ur a rogue who would totally hate the fact that they were beaten by the fact that warlocks are evenly set and rogues are overpowered, dont be a *****.. watch the whole damn thing... (there are 3 episodes, many many many many many tests in each one, and each is around 30-45 mins long) now im not suggesting watch all 3 (like my dumb ***) but at least watch most of one. find the right parts and i guarentee it will change your mind... locks amount of +STA is so rogues, hunters, and all other massive dps'ers cant kill them in 3 hits. even tho a rogue could easily anyways.
in the videos include a fun test of how a naked (if u dont know wut it means, it means with no armor but maybe a shirt and the starting rogue weopen, which is a worn dagger with .9 dps) 60 rogue takes down a rank 1 fully equipped 60 warrior with hardly any difficulty at all...
the whole serious will show you that its not warlocks that are overpowered, and its mainly ignorant rogues who only THINK that locks are overpowered becuase they dont actually know how to play there class... and also how rogues can literally kik anyones *** with just 2 buttons and attack.
hope you watch them and hope you stop rantin bout locks that need nerfs... cuz they truely dont... if anything the rogue should get a little nerf themselves.

ok say they do all those nerfs... when u get higher lvls and are pvping or pveing against not just 1-2 people... higher lvls the mana cost goes way up and ur total mana doesnt go up AS fast as the cost... so at a higher lvl your DoT's will seem to take more % of your mana. and if ur nerf comes true it will be even worse... way to +STA??? hahaha... if they lowered locks stamina rogues would murder them in about 4 seconds rather than 5... finally, if they lowered the chance of fear working, you would be extremely pissed later in the game when you hafta fight things and u are about to die... chances are your only hope may be running away which is what fear is good for... if it didnt work as much as it did (and it doesnt work allll that often anyways) you would be dieing against brutal ganks like never b4. besides which the lvl of which u can fear is preset (sorta like Mindcontrol with priests) with lvl. trust me those nerfs would come back and bite you in the *** later in the game.

Well I think that if warlock's DoT's were extended in duration to after the death of the caster it was due to something, other than pissing off Rpzip I mean.

The funny thing is now they add Dps in raids even for a short time after their own deaths, which can never be a bad thing (damage that doesn't create aggro? raid leaders sign under the dotted line please).
Also and more importantly I think it makes affliction warlocks powerful in Pvp, else everytime they got outnumbered and jumped maybe they would do something like 200-300 damage before dying, they didn't stand a chance to do nothing. Now imp HoT helps with that, and DoT's lasting through death make it worthy for the warlock to be affliction on the battleground as well as making warlock zerging not the wonderfulest idea in the world (who wouldn't zerg the warlock in 2 secs after getting DoT'd if him dying would dispell the DoT ?).
As people have said, those 41 talents have to show somehow, if you got zerg-killed every single time you tried to drop DoT's you'd be absolutely worthless, now even if you die, you'll cause some damage.

And I think it makes sense in game terms, why should warlocks DoT's disappear on death ? then shouldn't SW:P disappear on death too ? then I guess Roots should disappear on the casting druid's death too, it would be only fair. Ah, but then maybe it would make sense to make all impairing effects, chill, freeze, stun, fear, daze... all dissapear on the casters death ? don't you think ?
In fact, why don't we go on and make all buffs and debuffs be removed on death of the caster change big parts of the game mechanics and put buff casters in a metal safe so we can rely on buffs !!!
Wait I forgot, this is a warlock nerf thread and it's about making warlocks an easy kill, sorry for wandering off...

So go ahead, ask them to nerf demonology, nerf affliction, nerf fear, take away SS and healthstones, make them into a cheap-*** imitation of mages...

...while were at it just tell blizzard they should remove the class, reason being they kill you and **** you off !

How dare they kill your l33t pwnz0rz t00n ! the nerve !


P.D: boy I love being overly melodramatic, lol

Count up those raid leaders who want 18 seconds of DoT damage at the expense of losing a dps member and put them up against a dps member that sustains their damage through an entire fight and i think you'll find very few who would give two ***** as to whether the DoTs stay on after they die, quite frankly.

Killing someone who is no where near you 15 seconds after your death is wrong no matter what class you are.

If pets survived a hunter's death to continue attacking you it would be seen as a problem, if a warrior was allowed to MS, BT, WW or execute you after he died it would be seen as a problem, if a mage was able to pyroblast you after he died it would be seen as a problem.

Just because the damage is applied through a curse debuff does not give it a get out of jail free card.

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No class should have damaging effects continue after they die, that's why i said what i said above.

Out of 9 classes only 3 can remove the dots and they will suffer from UA if it is up. Of those 9 classes only 4 of them can heal themselves through a direct spell means, bandages are interrupted by the damage effect and so over half of the classes are dependant on trying to eat some food that will outheal the damage.

Firstly, you don't always get out of combat straight away meaning that you cannot start eating until it fades and secondly the food healing isn't always strong enough to counteract the damage done depending on how many debuffs you have on you.

Saying that someone should have a pocket healer with them in order to survive an opponent they have already killed is pure lunacy.

I myself have a Warlock and i can't believe that people would actually argue that its perfectly balanced for our dots to continue after our death.