All World Maintenance Notice (Jul. 8)

From Square-Enix: We will be conducting maintenance on the Windows version of FINAL FANTASY XI at a yet undisclosed time. During this time players may experience difficulty in logging onto FINAL FANTASY XI, or experience connection issues. While the time of this maintenance has not yet been determined, we project that it will be held sometime during the afternoon (PDT). The exact maintenance period will be announced in the Information section shortly. We apologize for the inconvenience. [Date & Time] Jul. 7 *Time is yet to be determined. An announcement will be made shortly. [Affected Services] FINAL FANTASY XI ------------------------------------------------------------

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Second Computer
# Jul 14 2005 at 8:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Really people you can buy a computer for $50 that will browse the internet, check e-mail, check Alla, or any other site, whatever.
they are not expensive
you do not need an uber gaming machine as a second comp just to chat with people.
So stop whining, go out and spend $100 on new equipment, ($40 router, 2x$5 cables, $50 Comp) and set up a network and voila problem solved. Not hard.
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stuff
# Jul 12 2005 at 1:28 PM Rating: Default
if u use to monitors u can play full screen and do other stuff on the other monitor anyway
W/E
# Jul 11 2005 at 11:31 PM Rating: Default
w/e people stop yer whining.... hackers have no lives (even less than the average FFXI player) and will find a way around w/e SE throws at them given a bit of time... so just wait a while and the hackers programming yer precious windower will find yet another way to beat the system. (i'm on PS2 so i really couldn't give a rats ***... just giving you some food fer thought)
sigh
# Jul 09 2005 at 1:01 PM Rating: Default
all you people ******** the only reason "I" and "Most people" use a windower is to chat and stuff.....you said most people...some will still use it for other purposes...and thats what SE is trying to stop. plain and simple...dont use a windower, you dont NEED it. If u do need to chat do it first then log on, tell people "Hey, im playing FFXI, leave me the Feck alone"! nothing any of you say can justify the use of a windower.
Windower
# Jul 19 2005 at 7:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Perhaps it's true that most people use it to chat, but not me. I use it for 2 reasons: 1) (the MAIN reason) any popups don't kick me out of the game while I'm playing. This especially sux when in the middle of combat in a party (which HAS happened to me). By the time I was able to get back on, they had found a replacement and I was left out in the cold. 2) I like to pull up THIS web site and refer to it while I'm doing quests/missions. Now, believe me, I'm in agreement with you for the most part. If you're going to play the game, play it.
sigh
# Jul 09 2005 at 12:57 PM Rating: Default
double post

Edited, Sat Jul 9 14:05:26 2005
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# Jul 09 2005 at 11:31 AM Rating: Decent
I just got back in, i just kept hitting retry every time it gave me the error code and eventually it let me in, so my guess is its congestion with so many ppl tryin gto get back in, either that or they screwed up the update.
hmmmm
# Jul 09 2005 at 11:00 AM Rating: Decent
i think you can
Stupid Maint.
# Jul 09 2005 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent
I was temp logged in King Ramp's Tomb camping the Crypt ghost and now im concerned i will not get back in.
lol sorry
# Jul 09 2005 at 10:31 AM Rating: Decent
lol i c yes im also haveing the version update error
i cant log on
# Jul 09 2005 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
i cant log on anyone eles got this prob today?
getting upset.
# Jul 09 2005 at 9:58 AM Rating: Decent
I'm glad its not just me, this sucks because POL's stupid offices are closed and you cant get in contact with them to do jack. I dont get to play much as it is, and when i finally get to sit back and relax this happens.
RE: getting upset.
# Jul 09 2005 at 10:11 AM Rating: Decent
What the heck is going on? Anyone know? Anyone talk to tech support yet. I don't like to bother them if I don't have to!
RE: getting upset.
# Jul 09 2005 at 10:17 AM Rating: Decent
It's not like we can call them as it's Saturday. I do hope someone at SE is checking their servers sometimes this weekend...
Can't log on
# Jul 09 2005 at 9:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm getting the version update failure too. I know its not the Internet since well...I'm able to type this message! I still see people online with Friend List Plus, so not sure what to do. It better fix itself soon or I'm going to miss Dynamis. ; ;
unable to get on
# Jul 09 2005 at 8:53 AM Rating: Decent
is anyone else getting a Version update communication error? i'm gettingit on botht he PS2 and the PC its not letting me update, so i'm assuming that this is because the update is still going on then?
RE: unable to get on
# Jul 09 2005 at 9:07 AM Rating: Decent
33 posts
I was playing early this morning and was having problems doing any type of searches (such as the /sea all . . . , linkshell members, AH listings, etc). I decided to log off and log back on to see it that helped, but no go, couldn't even log back on. I was getting the same message you did. At that time, I was thinking it was the All Worlds Maintenance that was sceduled for yesterday that never seemed to happen.
RE: unable to get on
# Jul 09 2005 at 9:54 AM Rating: Decent
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From my experiences, I've learned its best not to log off if you cant do searches cause you can typically not get back on... Wish I hadn't logged off last night >.>
RE: unable to get on
# Jul 09 2005 at 9:25 AM Rating: Decent
I was so in need of farming today! WTF
Why are you just sitting there?
# Jul 09 2005 at 7:58 AM Rating: Default
/em casts Protect XXI on himself.

The main reasion I hear people wanting to use windower is to have something else to do while you wait 1 or 2 hours for a party. I am just wandering, why are you just sitting there for hours on end doing nothing? um, Craft, Fish, Quests, er, make your own party? There are 8 guilds, you gotta need to level one of those crafts. Maybe work up fame, go Chocobo digging, go farm, go mine, log, escavate, harvest... Why just sit on your rear in Jeuno doing nothing? If you hate LFG all the time, play Beastmater. (tho, most don't have the skill/resolve for that.. :) ... or learn how to use beastmaster to level your main job, then just swich to your proper sub when you get an invite.

What I am trying to say (before you get hung on the BST thing and lose my point) is DON'T JUST SIT THERE, Do something!! You'd be suprised how fast that 'Johndoe invites you to his party' message pops up.

Ultimately, it's SE's game, and if they chose to not allow 3rd party programs, what ever that form, then that's their choice. I am sure they know it might cost them a few 12.95's, but that's their decision. If it stops people from doing some of the things I have seen in those videos, yea, I hope they do.

Oh, and BTW, after that 'don't forget your family' screen, there's a second that reads something to the effect 'to play, you must agree to the rules' message. So, if you play, then you agreed; you use windower, you lied: 'nuf said. That's my rant for today.

... ignore any spelling errrors...

Priorities?
# Jul 09 2005 at 4:25 AM Rating: Decent
OK, i understand WHY theyre doing it. But, there are people who have (minimal) lives OUTSIDE of ffxi, we need the windower, or at least a window option. Most of the time when im playing i have at least 3 msn windows, couple firefox etc. without windower, i'd have to put everything on hold for a few hours just to play. There are people who use it to activate other hacks and ****, but i'd guess probably 99% of players use it for legitimate reasons....
...It'd be much less damaging to target the actual hacks not all 3rd party software...
Lil bit of info
# Jul 09 2005 at 1:46 AM Rating: Decent
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In programming, a hook is a place and usually an interface provided in packaged code that allows a programmer to insert customized programming. For example, a progammer might want to insert an additional capability into a game to gain an advantage. Hooks can be allocated protected memory space meaning making them harder to detect. The server log would be usless in the case of windower because you arent changing the actual game just the way that you view it and the server thinks its in fullscreen mode anyway. ^^


Couldn't have said it better. The only way to really detect these hooks is client-side, which is a lot of effort, and really isn't worth it. The only thing these guys are doing is disabling whatever hackers, botter, ACtools and FFACT temporarily. Just until they put up some hotkeys or pixel get commands to activate themselves.

I think that what this update to the main string DLL is totally reconfiguring it, or making it harder to crack, that way, they can safely eliminate in time whoever's been doing it. Once you've replaced a string of data, and after an update the game will be unable to run, so whoever's been put on SE's ******** will be separated and be dealt with. Or at least thats what I hope is happening... You never know, after gimping Utsu I dunno what they are thinking of next...
All I Need
# Jul 08 2005 at 9:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Plugin Free Windowed Gameplay.

It's Nice to Offer, Doom3 has it w/ Fun MP, but Also a Dm Game. Still, it's nice to have Options.
Hacker? Bahhhh
# Jul 08 2005 at 9:03 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm really not quite sure what the hell's wrong with being able to tab out of the program.


this is just asking to have any game to be hacked. hacking a free will to open any program as you are connected to the server is just making it easy for ahckers to load whatever hacking/tool programs they want.
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I disagree with your point, you can hack a program whether it is minimised, maximised or windowed or whatever it doesnt matter. Windower simply makes it easier to tab between running programs.

with you not being able to tab out and open otehr programs it makes it easier for SE to block these programs. if you are not connected to the FFXI server and are trying to connect with one of these programs on. they can easily just shut the program off automatically. but with you connected to FFXI and be able to load these programs it makes it much harder to block or disable it.
RE: Hacker? Bahhhh
# Jul 12 2005 at 3:43 PM Rating: Default
EQ is able to be windowed and i dont remeber hearing bout hackers when i played it....
SE, Listen up
# Jul 08 2005 at 8:35 PM Rating: Decent
37 posts
I'm really not quite sure what the hell's wrong with being able to tab out of the program. That's the only thing I use windower for, and it's the same with most people I talk to. Some of the new stuff in version 3.2 I don't agree with and don't think are necessary. It's starting to get to where the windower program is a cheating program, and SE is catching on. Really, though, I think they should just get a clue and fix their own program so that players won't need to use a hack to do something so simple as press Alt+tab without crashing the game, or to check things, such as websites that are supported by and linked to on the pol website without having to stop everything they are doing in game. Hello?! Hey, SE, that's all we want! Fix that and you will have fixed a MAJOR portion of your "third party software" problems.
Update = Crashing?
# Jul 08 2005 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Is it possible that this update keeps making my FFXI crash? I don't use any windowing things, and since the update, I haven't been able to play.

I pick my character, then it says "Welcome to Shiva", my LS title comes up, then it boots me out and says "Playonline needs to be shut down" or whatever the default Windows XP Home error message is. I send the error reports, but I have a feeling I'm pretty much screwed.
Come on
# Jul 08 2005 at 10:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Murzade is right. why are people bothering with hacks/windower to play this. half the fun of an rpg is to think about the game and problems that arise in it. i dont use any of it and i dont see the point. sure ive wanted to use it for nm hunting but i havent. if people stopped using all the 3rd party software we wouldnt have a problem with it now, would we?

Edited, Fri Jul 8 11:57:15 2005
RE: Come on
# Jul 09 2005 at 1:03 AM Rating: Decent
32 posts
oops.

Edited, Sat Jul 9 02:07:52 2005
RE: Come on
# Jul 08 2005 at 12:21 PM Rating: Decent
Don't you find it amusing that SE says right before you load the game to not forget your family, friends, school or work? But they won't let you do anything else while you're playing?

And to the people who think that you NEED a windower to hack the game. People who have the skills/desire to do so are typically not running 1 computer running XP home. You can do anything you want on the computer running ffxi, behind ffxi from another network machine. I was doing this using a parser until my laptop crapped its pants all over my desk.
RE: Come on
# Jul 09 2005 at 1:06 AM Rating: Decent
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i dont run xp home. cant stand it but i could only get xp so i am running a hacked copy of xp pro. even if u use a windower then u are still neglecting ur family, friends, school or work but u can find time away from it.
RE: Come on
# Jul 09 2005 at 9:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Quote:
i dont run xp home. cant stand it but i could only get xp so i am running a hacked copy of xp pro. even if u use a windower then u are still neglecting ur family, friends, school or work but u can find time away from it.


So running windower, a completely harmless program by itself that allows many of us to do what we have been begging SE for since release to no avail is wrong and bad, but running a hacked copy of XP Pro is a-okay. hm.
The real reason they dont lie windower
# Jul 08 2005 at 10:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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This is a simple concept. They (SE) felt in the begining that if they made their game where you could not tab out of it you would not be able to run a 3rd party program after you have the game opened ( being a computer programmer most things of this nature have to be opened while the game is running), yes some have hotkeys or whatever but their reasoning behind getting rid of windower mode is a sound one. They are fighting the windower program to try to stop other third party programs.

Edited, Fri Jul 8 11:49:25 2005
The real reason they dont like windower
# Jul 08 2005 at 10:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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sorry for the typo it happens lol
RE: The real reason they dont like windower
# Jul 08 2005 at 9:23 PM Rating: Decent
lol Why does everyone talk like they know computers OR hacks or anything? First off: It's not a sound one. Don't tell me how a bot or hack works unless you've used one. Personally, I've used a Fishing bot before, and hated it. All it does is take an image of your 'focused' window (Window.hasFocus(), Mr. Programmer) and compares it to something. That's it. The fishing bot tells you to select a certain color for you font and window for this VERY reason.

Stopping botting won't help. Those group-campers and RMTers are the problem. I can beat bots, cause they can't do anything a real person can't -- They just do it faster. If SE wants to SOLVE problems instead of just temorarily fixing them, then they should add Instanced items or make things like Ochiudo's Kote and Emperor's Hairpin Rare/EX (Soulbound, for you WoW players.) This would help the market out IMMENSELY (sp?). Have ALL dungeons be instanced and have a big boss at the end. It's just that simple, and it'll solve most, if not all, of the current money problems that FFXI has and WoW DOES NOT HAVE. kthxbye
windower
# Jul 08 2005 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Really, SE should just hire this Archbell guy. He has great ideas on how to make the game better. Personally, I don't really use windower since I have my laptop running next to my monitor whenever I'm playing, but if I didn't I would be using windower constantly.
Bad Buisness move
# Jul 08 2005 at 8:42 AM Rating: Good
I dunno, its LIKE they want to get people to start playing WoW.

SE spends all their time fighting the wrong problems, the wrong way.

"Lets see, Normal players haven't claimed Valkrum Emperor in 3 weeks... AND OMG, THAT GUY CAN SEE HIS PARTY MEMBERS TP!!! ALL UNITS MOVE OUT!"

Smooth move SE.
Windower = Let it work
# Jul 08 2005 at 8:03 AM Rating: Decent
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I've said it Once, and I'll say it again, Leave the Windower Functional. Being able to work on Systems and manage my LAN while LFP is Essecial for me to actually be able to stay Logged in.

Multi-tasking is not Cheating, and if you have a problem with people running Cheats / hacks, the Windower should be the least of your Concerns. Other game companies package Windowed Functionality right "Out-of-the-box", no 3rd Party tools needed.

If you want to seriously prevent people from running a 3rd PT Windower, someone needs to get on the Ball @ SE, and give us Players an Official Display option to run Windowed.
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