Will we be able to change the color of our Armor on the heroic characters ?? It looks like a sea of green in the guild lobby. I have tried dying the armor but it won't let not even the armor I have won for the new char ??
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So if we create a heroic character on the test server, to test them out. Will that in turn use up the one free try we'll get starting this Wednesday on the live server, or are they separate uses?

I hope this is silly question, but what if you have a level 82 toon that is fully HoT t2 geared, as 82 allows, and you choose to "make it a hero" to skip 3 levels of grinding? Do you suddenly find yourself in abstruse and fearful reverie again?

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Edited, Mar 9th 2014 8:22pm by Foradlen

As a 13 year vet, I see nothing heroic about starting a lvl 85 toon. I see EQ just creating a bigger EASY button for everyone. Everything is easy now. I play because of nostalgia, nothing more.

As for this freebie, well - I'm going to make a wizard on my 2nd account to port my main toons around. Then I'm going to create a mage on my main account and level him up for the goodies they bring me. It won't effect my regular play other than now I have a way to port around easier for my dailies. Thanks Sony. HA

I think that leveling up is what makes the game interesting and fun. You have to learn to be patient with yourself and others as you learn new skills and meet new people along the way. It should be interesting to see how this all works out.

I was just kind of wondering why the nay-sayers think only green newbies will be creating these Heroic characters, and why they think that an old timer would not take his 'creation' out solo/molo and play it awhile to learn its capabilities? I am sure there will be newbies, of course, but I think the trick will be to see who is a green newbie, and who is an old timer, well experienced in the game, who knows to exercise the character a bit to get comfortable with it.

From another point of view, there are still 15 levels of struggle to go before getting to 100. It would seem to me that if the player, green or not, has not learned his toon in 15 levels, then it is unlikely he would starting from level 1. And how is buying a toon at 85 any different from paying someone to PL a toon to 85? The owner starts out just as dumb, doesn't he?

As for disrupting guild play, the criteria and reputation for getting into a high level guild won't soften particularly, admittance will still be based on good play, experience, reputation, or the good-old-boy network, that is not nor should not change. Existing guild members might use this gimmick to create toons for a particular purpose, but everyone would know about it. After others in the guild help drag the new toon up 15 levels, the kinks would be worked out.

So the only danger in all this would seem to be in the pickup-grouping game, but hasn't that always been risky? You never know what you're getting when you invite someone, that's why they have had boot options since day 1.

So after the knee-jerk negative reaction, I gave it some thought, and realized that some green newbie or veteran starting a character at 85 is no different than eBay, or inheriting your brother/father/sister's account, or a totally inept 'boxer.' These players have always been there, a steady minority, but always something you have to look out for. Nothing has really changed, except maybe EQ will last longer.

Just my 2 bits.

I went out on the test machine, and converted an old test toon sitting out there. The mechanics are simple, there's a green button you push to convert your toon, and another green button you push to create one from scratch. When you push the button and create your toon, both buttons go away. If you don't have an empty slot, you have to buy one. Again not a problem for most, you can buy three in the market place and three more from the loyalty gal. Otherwise you need to delete a mule, I guess. It's not a problem with brand new accounts, of course, because you start out with 8 slots, even though no plat and no loyalty chips. The toon gets a full set of equipment, jewelry, weapons but no plat. He gets the 'auto-grant' AA and maxed out skills in about everything (ie, no tradeskills, etc). I converted a BST, he had spells going back from 85 into the low 70's at least, before I quit checking. An interesting problem, with no plat, you can't pay your merc, so he immediately goes to sleep.

The question I have not found an answer for is how they define 'household' in the nov/13 rule. There seems to be something about if you started your account after nov/13, you only get one freebie per 'household.' I see how that might help keep down a flood of total newbies, but the question was asked by someone, what is a 'household' and I have not seen any answers yet. That was on the EQ boards. I am still watching for an answer. Any info on that?

Good hunting, all.

now one more thing off the list of things players could make a little plat on helping lvl a toon either solo or in groups . no more exp potions . no real use of the research skill any more . i only have 2 accounts but i have removed auto renew subscriptions for both i have been beaten up enuf :-(

Ironic name.

There is nothing "heroic" about such toons. Cowardly might be more accurate.

Such toons were not progressed through heroic battles and adventures, nor did they become skilled toons (players) by learning the class -- but by entitlement for the short attention span theater.

I suspect the idea is to increase revenues. I sense this will actually work short term... long term it I believe it will backfire (short attention span players who come and go, will always come and go to the next "new" game).

If there is no challenge, there is no adventure. If there is no adventure there is no fun that comes with the sense and pride of accomplishment. Like most console games, buy it, see it and/or beat it, put it aside, never play it again.

I understand that EQ, after all these years, is still their big game. Why the sabotage? There are better ways to attract attention and retain players long term. There are better ways to increase revenue.

Advertising is one huge way. Appearances at non-Sony conventions need to be game specific (EQ not All-Sony) and more fun/player oriented than a sales pitch/presentation. Even if it is "Meet the Dev's," "Q&A with the Dev's." "Players helping Players with EQ Secrets," or "How To in EQ."

There are a lot of things that still need fixed, improved or changed (pathing, targeting, warping, broken quests...). And stop nerfing! If it is added to the game and players figure out a strategy to use it to advantage -- so what? Strategy is a big part of the game...

It isn't cheating. An expansion or two later, the issue will probably be self-correcting anyway (...doesn't work at higher levels, or new MOB's are made resistant/immune to it...).

I fail to understand the idea of opening content "X" expansions old. After all, you can just about go back and beat it all, alone, at Level 100, with little trouble.

What would make more sense would be to eliminate certain reasons to have to do it over and over again (other than helping other players). Example, Rank III spells 15+ levels back could be made researchable. Or at least tradable.

However, as contradictory as it may sound, there are many things that have been added to the game that are good.

With the trouble people have finding groups (actually, its more like finding a group doing what they want to do, but hey), mercenaries are awesome and allow you to do some solo adventuring without boxing. Things that actually increase play time versus "getting there and setting up" are also great (re: Fellowships). Housing is awesome, to show off and store those hard earned trophies (notice I didn't say free things). The trade skill recipe windows are big time savers. Handing in stacked items was long overdue.

Things such as this are ways to improve the game... not by handing people something on a silver platter, but by actually improving game play and reducing time syncs on certain truly monotonous actions.



Edited, Mar 8th 2014 9:28am by GOMN

I already have 14 toons. Will I have to delete one of them to have a Heroic Character? Is the number of characters an account can have increasing? Is 14 still the max. limit on number of toons?

Thanks for any insight on this...