Ex-Hacker Finds RIFT Account Flaw, Talks to ZAM

Thanks to a community "white hat," the RIFT account security exploit (that had nothing to do with ZAM) has been squashed. Read our exclusive interview here!

ZAM: Does this change your outlook about Trion or RIFT at all?

ManWitDaPlan:
I have to admit, I was becoming increasingly concerned that the game was broken to the point of being "unsafe" to play. By "unsafe," I mean that there was the very real possibility that my account could be wrecked at any time with no warning, so it would be a waste of time to level up if I would end up standing naked and penniless next to a mailbox the next time I logged in. So as I was posting my "eureka, found it!" post, I was hoping to be impressed by the response - if I wasn't, I was already planning to pull my subscription!

The response was insane. I wasn't contacted by some support flunky with no authority to do anything but read from a script, I was on the phone with the development team lead. I sent the technical details and got a call back within minutes. Left work to head home, and by the time I got home the server team lead was calling. Before I finished eating dinner the exploit was fixed, some extra features were improved, and all of Telara was cursing my name for making them go hunt down an unlock code in their email.

If you're not the top dog you have to fight the top dog to take his title. If you ARE the top dog that title is yours to LOSE. If Trion can keep doing what they're doing when it comes to gamer-centric behavior and a willingness to risk annoying users during Friday night gaming in order to push through emergency patches that make everyone's characters safer, and if they can overcome the weaknesses this whole mess has exposed (such as having their support team overwhelmed), the top dog had better be working on his bite 'cause there's a new challenger to the throne.

ZAM: What do you think the future of the game is?

ManWitDaPlan:
Since Blizzard set the world on fire with World of Warcraft, everything MMO-related since then has been compared to WoW and everyone asks whether each newly emergent MMO is the "WoW killer." Rift stands the best chance of dethroning WoW that I've seen of any contender to date, and not strictly because the game brings something new/special to the table. After all, Rift is derivative of all that went before it, just as WoW was, and as Ultima Online was of MUDs/MOOs, etc. all the way back to the first games writen for computers.

A key, and often overlooked, part of the equation is how the game is run, how the GMs interact with the players, how involved the developers are with the playerbase, and whether the game's producer fosters a real sense of community for and with their customers. After all, a game is only as good as its developers make it and its players play it. Trion is striving to do right on all counts, and that puts pressure on the whole MMO world to do it better, whatever "it" might happen to be.

I think this will ultimately mean a positive outlook for Rift, for Trion, and for MMOs as both entertainment medium and creative artform. The sky isn't even the limit; there's a lot of potential out there just waiting to be tapped. Everybody wins.

ZAM: Is there anything else you’d like to say about this whole experience?

ManWitDaPlan:
It's been unusual to say the least, but thus far it's been a fun ride. Even though this is definitely not a normal set of circumstances, if Rift offers this much excitement - so much it spills over into meatworld - I might have to play it for a while longer just to see what happens next.

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Good job
# Mar 28 2011 at 2:41 AM Rating: Good
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You're the man now, dog. Smiley: wink
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GOOD JOB
# Mar 22 2011 at 2:16 PM Rating: Decent
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*hug* to Manwitdaplan. Good job =) very awesome that the solution came from a zam poster! Can he get an originally title or something please??
Things that make me go hmmm
# Mar 22 2011 at 9:31 AM Rating: Decent
No one else said it soo... cause I like to stir the poo sometimes...

what other "interesting" things did u see looking under the Trion skirt ManWitDaPlan???

:) all kidding aside. I hope to high heaven they rewarded you well for your time (and the helpers too). That kind of troubleshooting takes a lot of time, and you had help even.

I dont like spot lights much either, but you earned yours.. so suck it up fluffy :) :)

/pat on the back for ManWitDaPlan and his crew of snokers!!! :) :)
Good job ManWitDaPlan...Trion, fail :(
# Mar 22 2011 at 5:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Too bad Trion Worlds doesn't QA their work better...good job ManWitDaPlan. I still think this is a huge black eye for Trion World. It will be talked about similarly to other "epic failures" in MMO history...

ManWitDaPlan is right, this game is NOT a WoW killer - a "contender", but another contender that will go down in defeat. Perhaps SWTOR will be the WoW killer. Until then, RIFT will offer a fun diversion.
Excellently done
# Mar 21 2011 at 7:46 AM Rating: Decent
It's all been said, but I'll include my thanks and cheers.

WebMaka, you did well.

Trion Worlds, you did well.

Transparency and honesty are virtues less sought by many. You bucked the trend. Thank you from all of us.
Awesome
# Mar 20 2011 at 6:31 PM Rating: Decent
Awesome! No better word to describe it. Goes to show how great things can be when you have very efficient developers and leads in a company and a great community. Thank you WebMaka/The Man With The Plan!
Hack Fix
# Mar 20 2011 at 3:10 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks to everyone involved with solving this game-breaking hack that would have eventually driven Trion Worlds out of business and tainted their reputation, along with innocent others ergo RiftJunkies and ZAM. It strengthens people's faith that TW was intelligent and fearless enough to accept and promptly contact those who could help. Not every company would do that. I was with a guildmate/friend while on a dungeon run go thru a struggle to maintain his account as we were with him and listening to him in Vent. We appreciate all of you envolved in solving this problem for all us players. It's nice to feel secure rifting again. Kudos!
THANK-YOU!!!!
# Mar 19 2011 at 8:57 PM Rating: Decent
One of my guild mates was hacked in this manner. SO on behalf of him and all of us:


YOU RAWK!
THANK-YOU!!!!
# Mar 20 2011 at 1:32 PM Rating: Decent
Really awesome interview and incredible job by everybody all around.

Its so cool that people like ManWitDaPlan exist (i hate that name :p ) to counter the people that are complete opposites and are out to beat us down and steal our stuff and whatever ya know.

Also Trion definitely is rocking it out with their game, personally i cant stand Rift but i have a lot of respect for their company and how much love they show to their game and community.
THANK-YOU!!!!
# Mar 20 2011 at 4:14 PM Rating: Good
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monstermmo wrote:
(i hate that name :p )


Hey now, I happen to like it. :D
Hail to the King, baby!
# Mar 19 2011 at 8:49 PM Rating: Excellent
Well done ManWitDaPlan. We're all thankful for your selfless work and find the slumbering monster. while everyones running with their torches and pitchforks :)
yay
# Mar 19 2011 at 8:40 PM Rating: Good
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I think that pic of a guy standing next to a mailbox crying should be him in his skivvies. It wasn't that the hackers starting leaving the armor etc until a day before they announced the coin lock feature. At least from forum trends that's what I have gathered.
#REDACTED, Posted: Mar 19 2011 at 6:17 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Trion have known this for days. I HATE all the stupid **tared fanboi's on the forum who for ages were blaming the users.
Hail to the King, baby!
# Mar 19 2011 at 4:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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I told my guildmates I am now the Troll King - I got over a million people coinlocked at the same time on a busy Friday night. Why troll one shard when you can troll all of them?

Humor aside, this had the potential to be really really ugly. I figure it had at most a week or so of secret time before word got out and things became catastrophically (and likely inescapably/irrecoverably) bad. Trion deserves some serious love for taking it seriously and taking it to the next level.


Edited, Mar 19th 2011 6:43pm by WebMaka
Hail to the King, baby!
# Mar 30 2011 at 11:35 AM Rating: Decent
You said you're not one for the spotlight and are probably getting a bit tired of all the thank you's so I'll just say good job and leave it at that.

However I do have one question:
(taken from your reply at http://forums.riftgame.com/showthread.php?130781-ManWitDaPlan-Needs-The-Trion-Medal-of-Honor&p=1753562&viewfull=1#post1753562 )

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Now if everyone would make sure their account passwords are stronger than what idiots use on their luggage


What!? No more 12345!? Looks like I'll have to change the combination on my luggage...

*sadface*
Hail to the King, baby!
# Mar 19 2011 at 6:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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WebMaka wrote:
I told my guildmates I am now the Troll King - I got over a million people coinlocked at the same time on a busy Friday night. Why troll one shard when you can troll all of them?

Humor aside, this had the potential to be really really ugly. I figure it had at most a week or so of secret time before word got out and things became catastrophically (and likely inescapably/irrecoverably) bad. Trion deserves some serious love for taking it seriously and taking it to the next level.


ULTIMATE TROLL.

Anyway, you did a great thing here, ManWitDaPlan. We can't thank you enough.


Edited, Mar 19th 2011 7:57pm by Micajah
Sheer Awesomesauce
# Mar 19 2011 at 4:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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From the work of players who wouldn't take gossip as an answer to Trion's almost unbelievable response, the whole thing is awe-inspiring. Thanks!
Thank you
# Mar 19 2011 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
As a player who has had his account hacked in the past I can not let you go without thanking you for what you have done. I love playing mmos and I hate the people that make it unsafe for us to play. Please keep on helping out the loving players and taking a stand against the hackers. Thank you ManWitDaPlan.
Thank you
# Mar 21 2011 at 9:00 AM Rating: Good
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ManWitDaPlan, thank you for your inquisitive nature, determination and hardwork. All players can now rest a little easier knowing that their characters will not be violated by dirty thieves.

But I must say, I'm glad you're on our side! =)
Thumbs Up!
# Mar 19 2011 at 2:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Not much to say about this aside from a huge thank you to "ManWitDaPlan" and major kudos to how Trion has handled this whole mess. I do hope that people take this resolution the right way and it adds to their confidence in Trion...
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