This will be an interesting class indeed. This class shouldnt offset the warrior or the monk class at all.

Bringing a new class into the world of Norrath is always a good thing. Start to stomp on the other classes and you have already lost the exciting insight as to what this class will offer.

Warriors are born and raised to protect their peoples. They have great hp and ac, strong taunt, nice weaps. As long as their group or raid knows the warriors job then everything should work out great.

A beserker will obviously not tank as well because they are not full warriors, but rather warriors on the eager and raging side. They care more about killing the enemy and watching it die than the safety as their group or his own safety. This will do more damage but they may tend to loose the aggro for not concentrating on keeping it focused on him. He will also get riposted more and take more damage because he is not able to mitigate if he's more on an offensive.

Monks will logically outdamage a beserker for they have ability to mitigate their outgoing damage better. Monks also have fd and mend which beserker will most likely lack.

It seems that Beserkers will have the ability to bash often, and perhaps rage and ...beserk. You can bet when a beserker goes beserk they will cripple that enemy like nothing you have ever seen. It will indeed be a fun class, but it will in no way take place of any other classes, especially the warrior.

Another interesting about beserkers is that unlike the beastlord from luclin, you can find a lot of enemies that are beserkers all over Norrath. Fighting some of them compared to their warrior counterparts may help understand the differences. There is always a huge hp difference, and even an ac one, but the beserkers will always bash, smash, and overall knock you back.

Well sure wrote enough...if i saw this post i'd probably skip it for it being so long :P

Gluck to future beserkers out there!

what alot of you seem to be missing is that the new melee abilities will be for pure melee classes only, not for pallys, sk's, rangers, and beastlords.

it looks like to me that soe is making some important changes in the pure melee classes to have them generate more agro if they want to, or do more damage. from what i read, these improvements will only benefit melee, not hybrids

ok you know there will be no end to this arguement..... really all we need to know is tbat SKs Pallys and warriors are our tanks and this beserker can tank as well i dont think anyone should be complaining its another hand in a raid or adventure.... there are different views for everything such as DPS.... some say a ranger others say a rogue the other side is the wizard.... who is the best tank would be very difficult to prove as would best dps so why not jus quit the argument


Cleric are still best healers

True, agro is not as easy for warrior's to hold as it used to be. But, as a Pally back in day when I was in my 40s, I was always passed up by other melee classes for groups. Only after midnight was it convienent for others to add a Pally. Now, I find being a Pally alot more useful then it was... especially in LDoN groups. I was even used as the main tank in PoStorms a few weeks ago. Imagine, shouting for group over 2 hours in the popular zones before anyone felt they needed you, and when they did, it was because there wasn't anyone else.

Ravenia
58 Paladin
The Raenore

Ya, I agree. The only real thing warrior need is their taunt upgraded. Warriors need to out aggro other classes. Having a SK who can get high on the aggro list is i guess a good thing, but he shouldnt be chosen over a warrior by the enemy.

Um, a lil bit connfused, I really wanna know what that really mean, even though im a Halfling Druid.
hope the new class is like something that can fly.
like a Griffon. I thing i got the wrong message, but oh well



Baron Marroar Muffins
58 Druid Halfling
Prexus

I play a lvl 65 cleric on Cazic Thule, and though I do agree that a knight can easily out aggro a warrior, I do not believe they can out tank one. That is my opinion based on 2 of my friends: both very good at their class, and both very well equipped. One of them, warrior, is in the guild Relentless, and the other, shadow knight, is in Talons. I have duo'ed with both of them on numerous occasions, and I must say the warrior may not drop the mob as fast as the SK, using dot's and pet, but I heal him so less often that I don't bother with C3 most the time. However, fighting the same mobs, I have to constantly watch the Sk's life bar. There is only a 1200 hp difference in the 2, when buffed.
Now the SK can hold aggro so well I can nuke and stun freely, and with the warrior I have to control my own aggro. But this problem is easily fixed with a little communication.
For Example:
I say /g complete heal inc, taunt on my command.
And he says /g waiting on taunt.
Then just as the heal lands I would tell him to taunt and he does. You can substitute nuke for heal if you like, but I think you get the picture.
Until Sony helps these guys with an innate taunt mod of some kind, we as the people who rely on them need to help them as much as possible. I think Sk's and pally's should spike aggro and then turn off attack and let the warrior take over.
Just my opinion

Warriors don't need special moves or anything really fancy to make them the best overall tanks all they need, imo is a innate aggro modifier.As for taunt if I remeber correctly (I might be wrong) all it does is give you the same aggro as the person with the highest at the time +1. So if your grouping with someone who is going insane and not controlling themselfs then yeah your gonna have a hard time with aggro,but the fact is these updates arn't going to help in anyway with warrior tuant that I can see (again I could be wrong). and besides that we don't need to go nerfing or depowering other classes. Granted hybrids and by hyrbids we mean Knights are better at getting aggro. The thing is if your in a group and your purposly stealing aggro from a warrior(if s/he is the main tank) when theres no trouble such as adds or some such thing then its not the warriors fualt due to lack of getting aggro its the person using the knight who is at fualt of course there are situations where these are nulled but the basic premise is that warriors don't need a huge overhall or that knights need to be nerfed some small tweaks here and there will better suite the needs of warriors then rehualing the combat system or making the fights more hectic.




Edited, Sat Nov 22 15:59:18 2003