Quitting? Good. I know my server can't be the only one that could use some thinning in the high levels. And BLM are the first ones I like to see go, being one of the many other DDs that can't stand up to them.

Really though, to say you're quitting without even having seen the effects of the change is silly and immature, which makes me even happier that some of you are quitting.

Ya know, when they "fixed" the TP floor and made THFs EVEN WORSE, I didn't really see a bunch of THFs throwing tantrums and threatening to quit, but when the most powerful DD in the game gets a little "balancing" it's the end of the world.

So good riddance to whiny BLM. (just the whiny ones)

I don't like the sound of this. I feel nin, blm, and rdm will be the only ones to really even feel the difference. I (being rdm) feel this is gonna kill our enfeebs (sleep, silence, dispel) and of course somewhat change the strategy of most HNM's. However we'll just have to see how exactly the change will come about. Thank you SE for making this game more time consuming than it already is!

All you ppl that are talking about quiting cos of this nerf shouldn't even be playing, obviously you suck at the game... always the easy way out for you. SE are always going to be adding new chalenges and ways to improve it. Quit whining and live with it... SE FTW!

Wonder what kind of affect this will have on Maat...

This is just like Antibiotic, the more you used it, the more the virus gain resistance. Keep using that same magic spell to a certain NM, it will gain resistance to that particular spell.

Zomg!!! White Mage Banishga Nerf!!! I'm quitting this game... :p

pfft...

Rate up: DaMightGareBear

I was thinking again, HNMLSs might now want less BLMs
Example:

BLMHNMLSmember: RandomHNM <Can I Have It?>
HNMLSleader: <I'm Sorry> already have (x number) of BLMs.

BLMNHMLSmember: /shout RandomHNM <Fight> <Can I Have It?>
RandomJeunoResponder: Go lvl DRG Noob

I forgot to mention.

Now that HNM will be tougher that will mean price of certain Items as of now will jack up. More ppl will go to IGE, so every honest ppl is affected in the worst way.

(No more KS30 desert storm for BLM, now watch the price of claw and Scorp Harness go up)


Edited, Jul 19th 2006 at 4:38pm EDT by ralphffxi

As I was reading this, I was thinking about how many BLM are going to be complaining.. not to mention then mnks who have actually spent the time to gather the Ultimate Chi Blast equip setup (I've seen Chi Blast break 1200 on Kirin before.. that is extremely impressive but mainly for the reason that almost all melee suck against him and have difficulty putting up more than single-digit damage numbers unless doing Opo Necklace + Sleep Potion + Spirits Within.)

As a 75BRD my job is completely unaffected at this point given the current description of the update details.. But as a bard, my job is to support my group and make them truly shine (I'll drag them kicking and screaming if i have to but I will do my job to the best of my ability lol) Since it doesn't directly affect my job, I'm a little unfamiliar with the damage formulas for BLM, but my impression of what is the basis of what is going to occur is this:
BLM#1 uses thundaga III, no MDB added.
BLM#2 uses thundaga III, no MDB added.
BLM#3 uses thundaga III, mob gains MDB+1
BLM#4 uses Flare, mob gains MDB+2 (MDB total: +3)

as long as you are only using a low number of nukers, you wont see the Magic Defense Bonus taking effect, either due to low potency buff or passage of time causing what is gained by the NM to wear off.. but when you move to the manaburn style of 4+ BLM you will see the effect in steadily decreasing damage numbers as many more nukes are being tossed around giving the MDB less time to wear off and making them accumulate at a faster rate.

if this is meant as SE's response to anything currently ingame, i would say that it was motivated by the current strategys against: Absolute Virtue, Kirin, all of the Wyrms, and the two specific BCs mentioned vs Diabolos Prime and Bahamut Prime. keep in mind that it does specifically say that this change will only affect NMs and not normal mobs so this does nothing to curb the manaburn merit pt, all it does is force us to come up with new strats instead of the (very old in some cases) current strats that allow almost any group with enough BLM to nuke into submission regardless of why they are supposed to do it........

O_O that reminds me... anyone need to do Divine Might on Quetz send me a tell ingame lol <_< wanna get an easy win before this change goes into effect >_>;;

Cant you ppl read



Its affecting HNM only. Manaburn wont be affected.

BTW all mobs in Besieged check impossible to gauge and worst of all they will be adding some harder one

Edited, Jul 19th 2006 at 4:25pm EDT by ralphffxi

Everyone quit your bit**ing. BLM is no way has been "nerfed." All this is gonna do is make nm's harder to manaburn, therefore making people ACTUALLY USE A STRATEGY TO WIN OMG. God forbid you actually have TRY to beat nm's using jobs other than BLM.

And besides... no one knows just how much resistance nm's are going to have.

For pete's sake! Unless you're spamming Spirits Within I highly doubt this will even be noticable for that. It seems to me that the resistances will at least be broken down by type...so that you won't suddenly run the mob up to 100% resistance because a party's NIN, BLM and SMN all toss out spells at the same time. I'd like to say that it'll be broken down by element but as was said in a previous post, that wouldn't eliminate a manaburn because the BLMs would just all use different top tier spells. In any case however...SE did give an example of how powerful this resistance is in saying a party with 2 BLMs would probably not notice it at all.

So imagine an alliance against an HNM...no HNM in particular...unless you have 5+ SMNs...or NINs...or whatever...those particular jobs probably won't really notice the resistance effect. The decay rate of the resistance is probably not much longer than the longest cast times, so one SMN casting their BPs at one per minute isn't going to likely be affected at all. Ditto for RDMs or whatever firing off Spirits Within or MNKs with Chi Blast. The resistance simply won't accumulate fast enough versus its decay with just one or two of each job spamming before the mob is dead.

Yes this is going to make some battles much harder...but NONE will be impossible. Why? Because SE did not program these monsters with the intent to make them killable only by Burns of some kind. That may be the quickest and most efficient method...AND if it IS a quick method, might still work if it's quick enough to win the battle before any appreciative resistance gain...BUT it is never the only method. We'll just have to start getting creative.

Look at it this way. Many of you who are longtime members of HNMLSs have probably fought the same HNMs many times in the same fashion to the point of it becoming mechanical...reflex even. Going in and systematically dismantling a mob over and over gets boring. Now these same HNMs become challenges once again. Which is what this game is about. I'm sure there will be cases where some battles do become difficult to the point of insanity, but we have to trust that SE is going to be monitoring this change and will apply fixes where it's neccessary...ie making some HNMs perhaps a LITTLE more susceptible to physical attack, since a lot of the toughest ones are all but completely resistant to anything not magic.

SE is doing something positive for the game. They're making an honest attempt to try and open up the end-game to all jobs evenly, instead of it being almost requisite to either be a BLM, WHM, RDM or SMN to be of any practical use. As the player of one of the most discriminated of jobs, I can appreciate this. We just have to hold faith that SE IS applying this change as intelligently as this announcement makes it seem.