For all you people out there who wan't to nuke someone so bad. Do you understand the implications of what you mean when you say "nuke" ? That would be killing 1000's of innocent people who were in no way involved with what happened yesterday. What these terrorists did to our country is terrible and if I had my way I would find all the people who masterminded the whole thing, skin them alive, and hang them on light posts so people could take swings at them with baseball bats. They certainly deserve this and worse. However, running over to the middle east and nuking someone would cause a war the likes of which the world has never seen before. It would likely be over in hours and nuclear devestation would claim more than three-fourth's of the worlds population. If we, as a people, NUKE another country, we will be just as bad as these terroists. What we need to do is find the people behind this and those who may be sheltering them, and punish them in a most horrible fashion, but leave the citizens of whatever country might be harboring the culprits out of it. They may hate our guts, but that does'nt mean they should die. They may have celebrated in the streets at our loss, praising god in their twisted belief that god might actually condone such actions. This is not a warrant of death. Find the ones responsible and do justice, but spare those who are innocent. Show the world that america won't take this laying down but also show them that we aren't a heartless giant founded on hypocrisy that would take such a severe hit and then turn around and do the same to someone else. The chain has to break somewhere, why not here?

I am truely sorry friend. Words cannot express how I feel. I pray your sister and your friends will be found.
-A friend

It was truly hell as I live in NYC. I have friends and a sister inside WTC who have not called since. All I can do is play EQ and hope for the best but, like a guild raid gone bad, it does not look good at all.

whether it be by wiping the ones responsible for this off the planet, or throwing them into the deepest darkest hole we have. Makes no difference. Justice must be served

Even as I personally feel I am showing a bit of a childish view here -

I am discusted with how in one night's time this meaningful thread has become an arguement. Alla created this thread so that we may add a few words of hope to others. If anything all you really had to do was say -- Hope - and leave a name, actually you dont have to leave a name. THIS IS NOT a thread to lead to discussions on who is right and who is wrong. People lost their lives and this was ment to show our sorrow for them and their families. END OF STORY. Please do not show that the players of EQ are heartless. Put aside any disagreement and concern yourself on giving a comforting word or two.

I believe that this news thread placed here is in very poor taste and should be removed.

The nation is in the midst of the grief and suffering of these attacks, but EQ is a game and one played by people of all ages inclduing children. I do not feel that a game forum is the proper location for a discussion of terrorisim and national policies.

Terrorisim is a dirty little word. One used when soneone decides to put civilians of any country into a body bag to make a political statement. It is the harming innocent people to create fear. This is not an acceptable action by any nation on the globe that respects individual rights.

I weep to see people here postulating their petty theories, their "let's bomb them all" armchair philosophy and their "it's your own fault" sophmoric ranting.

Everyone is entitled to their political opinions and there are a wide variety of forums for voicing those political opinions, but this game forum should never be one of them.

Please, for the decency of everyone involved and in respect to all of those hurt in this terrorist act, do not let the foum of a game site become this type of pulpit.

Noone can benefit from this discussion in any substantial way.

But the arguments and antagonisim that can spark here are substantial and inappropriate for this site,

This thread is a no-win situation.

I am as upset as anyone else over these events, but I recognize that this is not the place to come to vent my feelings and views on international politics.

Resist the urge to post here and close this down.

My prays go out to those of you in the NY and DC areas...

More killing will not sovle anything. It will bring about more death. I feel that we need to have this fully investigated, however I think there is more involved that what is being said. Has Bush really held up his end of any agreements that have been made? Had he violated spoken treaties? How did they NOT know the planes were hijaked? Why ddi they not warn the cities these planes were on route for (they obviously were not heading toward their destination)?

Most terrorist groups jump to say they had done whatever... Yet they all deny it. All goernments deny having been involved. Even Osama denies it, however he did warn of an "attack" over 3 weeks ago. Was he really involved? We need to bring those individual to justice. Do we really want to risk the lives of innocents by creating another war? Obvioulsy the culprut at hand did not get the user manual for diplomatic warfare, and is willing to strike at the citizens of our fair country.

Flame if you wish, but take a moment and think from a different stand point...

I'm very sad today because of the atrocities that have taken place in the US. Noone can defend such a terrible action whatever reason may lay behind this. My thoughts are with you all...
Now I'm only hoping that the US will not be blinded by the yells for revenge. Of course every reasonable step should be taken to stop this from ever happening again, but I get very sad also from reading the "nuke'em" posts on this message board. Of course every reasonable step should be taken to prevent this from ever happening again, but violence blinded by a lust for revenge is not a good thing. Don't get me wrong, I am as mad as anyone at whomever is behind this, and I hope they rot in hell. I'm not asking you to turn the other cheek, merely not to get carried away. I've lost enough faith in humanity already.

Peace.

"America, welcome to the world that we have had to endure for many years, maybe now you will realise that there is a world outside of your own borders and stop being so insular!!"

Its insane to me that any person would welcome a country, that just lost 10k+/- innocent people in a single day terrorist attack, to the "real world". The post below should be removed. This is about mourning the loss of many innocent people and a strike to the core of American hearts. If you wish to welcome a country to pain and suffering then I wish to welcome you to my middle finger. I have traveled all over the world and lived in numerous places that have it much worse than America and Great Britian, that DOES NOT justify some child happily greeting people to suffering. You want to talk about insulated? Your comment is about as hypocritical and insulated as you can get. Your narrow minded view which over looks the loss of innocent lives for your own selfish desire to make a cry for attention is about as insulated as it comes. This is something which should be mourned. Take your British propaganda elsewhere, and please remove the below post.

All of you who are "forgiving" those who did this... it is not your place to forgive. You are not digging the corpse of your brother, or sister, or son, or daughter out from under a pile of debris. Think about that for a second. Put yourself there, in the wreckage. Imagine your loved one getting pulled from the dust... like a rag doll, torn, bleeding, lifeless... empty eyes. Put their face on this tragedy. FEEL THE PAIN OF THE SURVIVORS. You parlor-pontiffs and religious pablem-pukers make me SICK. Religion is what caused this hideous mess in the first place.

Religion is not God. God is not Religion. Religion is a sick, perverse idolatry, designed by man to exploit the faithful. I am true to my God. I worship my god. And I refuse to let anyone tell me how to worship my God. Religion creates things like mindless hate. Religion brings towers crashing down. Religion kills nations. Religion creates body counts. Religion ruins beautiful regions and burns them to ash. God does none of these things. To kill for religion is to kill God himself. If I ever catch one of those responsible for this cyclopean horror unfolding before us, and I slit his throat, I will not be killing for God, I will be killing for me.

So you can shove your forgiveness; YOU have not been wronged. It is not your place to forgive. It is the place of the victims to forgive, and if they choose to, they are MUCH more lenient and serene than I could ever be. No one that I know personally died in this apocalyptic tragedy, and I thank the God of my Heart for this. But not with your baseless, voyeuristic religions. I will not pray in your temples of hate.

And for those of you moron bible-thumpers out there screaming "turn the other cheek", let me give you some advice. Read the Old Testament. You know, the BIG section at the beginning that moder born again Christians seem so wont to neglect? God himself didn't turn the other cheek at Eden. He didn't turn the other cheek a Sodom and Gammorah. He didn't turn the other cheek in Egypt. He didn't turn the other cheek in Babylon. "But," you may say, "that is proof that God will exact vengeance in his own time, in his own way."

Well you know what, God will exact vengeance... through the methods that he gave us in his infinite wisdom, the Four Horsemen of the apocalypse that is about to rain down on all of the bloody barbarians that tried today to murder our nation. The names of these Four Horsemen?

Army
Navy
Air Force
Marines

The time for peace has passed.
Monsters we will be, lest monsters we become.

First off I would just like to say that today was a tragic day for all countries in the free world and my heart and deepest sympathies goes out to the victims and their families.

There is a reason they call it "Terrorism" as it is intended to put fear and terror into the hearts of the people. Today was one of the few times that they may have succeeded. I urge all people of America to not let this change their way of life. To not let them start to look over their shoulder. As this is what these people intended.

I do not agree with "Turning a Cheek" but i also don't think that you should bomb the heck out of them. Right now few people are thinking clearly. They are only thinking with fear and anger. Within the next few days a different approach may become aparent, and then again one may not. Time will tell.

As for now we must all calm down so that we can think clearly before any major decisions are made.


Today was a day that will be remembered in History for Centuries to come. Tomorrow will be another day. Tomorrow we will begin the healing process. Tomorrow we begin to try and understand the who, what, when, where, how, and most importantly the why?


Many condolences from those of us up in Canada.

Turvok Trueheart
51 pally
Veeshan
Companions

As they have shown no discretion or compasion for us, we in return will show none for them. I'm sorry.




"Those who have made man, were the ones that could see past it." -Me

I am a military member... I AM BIASED, not because im a service man but because I am an American! Freedom, as you may guess, has a very special meaning to every soldier. We fight for the defense of our way of life, so our family and friends can live in peace. We shield them from such atrocities. This will continue untill we do something VERY SOON! If we dont, they will continue to see just how much damage they can do!
So, I say "Find them! and nuke them till they glow, and then shoot them in the dark!" Make no mistake! Terrorism is a NEW form of combat! IMO should be treated as such.

They just took your car, with you family in it, and ramed it into your house! Try talking to them?

GOD in ANY form has nothing to do with this! Everyone has the "right of self defense". Would you defend your country from Iraqi soldiers storming into your back yard? I hope so! IF not I encourage you to visit you relatives graves and let them know all of what they fought for you tossed away! Just because they don't wear uniforms and march in columns does NOT mean they are not an ENEMY!

My heart goes out to all who are affected by this! I hope soon ill be re-called to take part in the ***-kick'n they (unknown) so richly deserve!