From Spain , a lil country in which terrorism is also a part of our lives I DO RECOMEND YOU to STOP and THINK about what happened yesterday , im expressing MY OWN opinnion ... do it the same yourselves and dont let mass media tell you what to do :

- A group of people ( few of them indeed ) , with no gubernamental support crashed 2 planes and used explosives in order to damage some Icons fully recognizable as the USA power : Economic, military and political faces of it .

- That was a crime , yes . Does it deserve some kind of punishment ? Yes , of course : where a crime is a hand that triggered the gun is to be expected . International laws do exist to engage terorist around the world , those countries you blame and want to attack are even offering their help to make justice to those ones ( few people i repeat ) who are guilty.

- Was it a war declaration ? No . No country claimed it as an attack . Just few people were fully responsible of it . Punishing a whole country would be even worse than what those terrorist did . Devastating a country whole population would include many innocents ( the most of them indeed ) , not even those who in maddness thought they were happy when they saw your suffering deserve such threatement . Sending your armies to murder that people is not something to be proud of . If you want to be such an assasin as those who pilot the planes , go ahead but knowing you killing childs , women and men like you : innocent ones.

- Think also about what you know of those countries you targeting your anger to : afghanistan and palestina . Think about why you know what you know : you see horror in NY streets and afterwards you see a man dancing in happyness ... does it mean ALL the people there celebrate the tragedy ? NO , of course not . You not even sure who to kill , it´s so sad to read you all talking about slaying people without real knowledge of what it would mean ... USA has a full of blood history in the very few centuries you came into a country , dont cover it with more shame.. dont make your grandchilds look behind your shoulders and sight thinking about what you did .

- Now let me talk about what has been happening here during decades : In Spain we got several terrorist armies who claim non sense things and kill people ... but we spanish do know those who weild weapons are very few indeed , the people that live in the very same street a terrorist do have nothing to do with them . We fight against it with the law , police and moral rules god gave us : we combat it like humans , with conscience and humanity ... not killing innocent ones just to make sure no guilty escapes .

I do hope you commit no mistake ... thinking a whole country , a whole race is guilty of what a few of them did is not very different to what happened here in Europe 40 years ago . And remember if you trust in god , let him enter your hearts : first thing you have to do is to pardon.

The world has not seen an angered and undivided United States in 61 years - may those that committed these acts and those that sheltered them pray to their god for forgiveness for we will not. They have sown the wind and shall reap the whirlwind.

Tho i'm not an american, in fact i live in a country that has been subject to terroist attacks since before i was born (and i'm 23atm). These attacks unfortuantly have been part funded at least from sources within the USA and they were commited by the IRA. I live in england.

Therefore somewhat i have become desenseitised by acts of terroisum but what happened on tuesday shocked and repusled me. Terriorisum can not be allowed to win, terroirists are the lowest form of life and even the IRA (who i wish would all curl up and die) never did anything on this terrible scale.

I can only hope that they rescue many people from the ruins of the building and that they find out who is resonsiable and revenge is taken. I also hope that anyone found supporting terrorisum in any country shall be delt with in a similer mannor and that the support for the IRA cesses to exist.

In this 1 day thousands of peoples lives have been decimated but even if there was only 1 casualty it would have been too much...

Terrorists must not succeed

As an Australian our government has already pledged its support to the states in the horrific hour. Our Prime minister who was visiting the States on trade talks was very close to the pentagon when it was hit and of course saw the devestation first hand.
Please be mindful when writing or commenting on this attack that it IS NOT JUST AMERICANS that are effected.
There are 61 Australians unaccounted for, be it in the towers as tourists, in the offices as international workers and on the planes which Australia thinks could have been used to be a link to LAX flights to Australia. The Trade towers would undoubtly have had tourists from all nations as well.
Now of course it would not have needed Australian casulties to have our support (which has been given) but it means that our nation is deeply affected as well and we send our condolonces to our American allies and to assure them that this is a GLOBAL problem effecting all free nations.

Yesterdays events were a shameful act by a group of people who dont even have the guts to admit to it.I lost 2 friends yesterday morning(and i cant begin to imagine how many others havent been found yet)in that cowardly attack on the pentagon,for these worthless piece's of "trash"(everyone knows what im really calling them)how can you stand there and say this is justified?What would you say if your family of friends were burried in the rubble,i hope they are or i hope they will be by the next time something like this happens.Its people like you who are destroying this country.I was sitting at the TV last night while Bush was talking praying that we go to war becouse unlike veitnam we have a reason to be there,and for the panty wastes defending this cowardice i will be on the front lines killing their innocent civilians women and children like they did ours i beleive we need justice i beleive we need revenge,i beleive we need to send a message out to anyone who would ever try this again that America will not be ****** with,and before anyone post "but we dont know who did it" we have a long list of terriorist organizations that we know where they are and what countries are harboring them,all we have to do is start at the top and work our way down

I just read some people asking to remove this thread cause there might be children reading! LOL you're kidding right! Your prolly the type that tells your 10 year old the babies come from storks! You mean to tell me children of any age shouldn't know what is going on here?! People like you make me laugh my *** off!

How about .. I know this is a CRAZY concept, thier uhhhm, PARENTS should be watching what websites (tv shows, books, miovies, ect.) they go to and monitor the content thier children are viewing. In addition - NO EQ website in my opinion is really appropriate for younger kids! Get real! LOL, pull this thread - how funny. The best part is in all ure resist the urge to post here BS - you did too. Whatever. Go sit under your little rock where everything is nice and clean and the easterbunny & perter pan can find you :)

To the person who claims there are no innocent people in afghanistan,

I would argue that the pictures that are seen are and would be a bit biased towards presenting the more horrific and shocking, and might not be representative of the attitude of the majority of people ( the majority who infact suffer under the Taliban regime currently in control). Even if it is true to some extent, do realize that the reality of human life to them is far different from ours. Loss of life is always a shock in this country. Over there, life being uncertain and often fleeting is taken for granted, and therefore they would not react with horror over the idea of thousands dying the way we would expect.

Now back to why i'm posting. I think that security of airports in the future is obviously going to change. Now a few things I thought might help was forcing all passengers to check ALL baggage (ie allow no carryons), and then subject them to a thorough search; while appearing as a large annoyance, and obviously allowing exceptions for certain reasons, I think this would have definitely averted the mode of hijacking seen yesterday (knives hidden in fake shaving cans was it?) And, perhaps even institute armed security on passenger flights. Although both these suggestions, particularly the latter, would call for a vast overhaul in infrastructure and feel like a violation of our "freedom", I think that freedom vs security is an important balance, and sometimes difficult comprimises need to be made for everyone's safety. What does everyone else think,

Beguiler Solusek Ro
I am not a religious man, but i prayed yesterday for the first time in years for the families going through this and for the attacks to be over. Please, even those atheists among you, i urge you to do the same, it could not hurt.

Us, members of humanity, have witnessed an incredible crime against life committed. People are very upset right now and message boards such as these are a way of dealing with the frustrations we are all feeling. This is NOT a useless thread. It is much better to vent here, than to take those frustrations out elsewhere. Sure, some of the posts might be extreme, and a bit obnoxious, but these are words of anger and saddness. If saying those things make those individuals feel better, then this thread has accomplished something. If you feel it is a useless thread, don't post or read it. It doesn't concern you then.

While this is an EQ page, what happened yesterday is much greater than EQ. Don't forget that these are real people behind the characters you see with real feelings. Let us begin to heal so we can prepare for wherever the future leads us.

There are NO innocent people in Afghanistan. If any American, young or old, ciuvilian or military, were to walk down the street there - anyone of them with enough dexterity to hold and plunge a knife into American flesh, whether they be 8 yrs old or 100, would do so with glee then spit on our corpses! The pictures we see everyday prove this as children, adults, and the elderly poeples of this pathetic, sick, twisten, misguided nation cheered that tens of thousands of TRULY innocent civilians died yesterday. Bleeding hearts reading this might feel differently if it was you mother, your son, your love that was terrorized on one of those flights yesterday watching helplessly as pilots of your flight were killed, flight attendants stabbed, and the sight of the WTC grew larger and larger in your window!

There are no innocent civilians there... I say, make it a damn parking lot!

Hmm, I live in a little town in BC, Canada. Watched what happened on TV , most of yesterday.
People are still alive under the Rubble.
Last night I prayed to my God, to keep the search & rescue people safe! And to give them success!
I cannot imagine being alive under that rubble, waiting to be rescued!
So many firemen, police, people wanting to help, have died.
The magnitude of this devestation, is beyond anything I could have imagined.
My heart & prayer also go out the victims & their Family & freinds.
I am almost as old as Methusa, I have not cried for 30+ years ( Real men do not cry, period).

Yesterday I cried!

Today I pray!

Torsk Hoynite, Ad Gloriam
Dwarven Paladin of the 49th season
Lanys T'Vyl

This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.
America: The Good Neighbor

Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to A
remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a
Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his
trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the
most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the
earth.

Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted
out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of
dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries
is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the
United States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans
who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled
on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that
hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were
flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.

The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars
into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are
writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the
erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any
other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo
Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly
them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American
Planes?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman
on the moon?

You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.
You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles.
You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon -
not once, but several times - and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the
store window for everybody to look at.

Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here
on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian
laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking Down
through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the
Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody
loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke.

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of
other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone
else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was
outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned
tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this
thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to
thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present
troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those."

Stand proud, America!

If one more idiot opens their mouth and spews forth anymore of this america is evil garbage... EVERY SINGLE GOVERNMENT IN THE WORLD TODAY IS GUILTY OF SOMETHING. Most MiddleEast countries populations live below the poverty line yet some of the richest men in the world are their leaders. You do the math. Some anon idoit was spouting crap about why do we let Israel do anything. Do you honestly believe that we would interfere when the palastiniens are the ones with snipers on rooftops. suicide bombers, etc etc doing everything they can to kill more jews? Hell no, we're going to continue to support them with guns, money and whatever else it takes for them to be able to defend themselves. I have a better question. Where is YOUR GOVERNMENT? Why aren't you there or your countrymen there to help the palastinians if you believe in their cause so much? what? sorry? Can't hear you? Someone else mentioned the IRA. How about you also mention India. The black hole of Calcutta? or mention the fact that Britian occupies Ireland? Also mention the fact that the US govt doesn't support th IRA in any way. It's private citizens who raise money for them. Anyone else wanna spout more **** about how Americans are evil and forget to mention that thier leaders are full of the same **** ours are? You name the county I can name the attrocites.

Everyone else saying this type of discussion isn't why this thread is here? Can you read my mind next? I don't remember anyone posting why this thread was put up. As far as I'm concerned this thread to for anything we wish to say until the moderator of the thread says otherwise. You don't like this thread don't READ it. Heh people ******** this thread isn't appropriate for a game site... how DARE you? Get your own servers setup your own site THEN you get to decided whats appropriate.

I've read through a page of posts. I can't read any further. Though some of the posts bother me, it is not content that keeps me from reading further. It is the fact that there are 12 pages. I just can't read all of them.

I can't begin to describe how I felt watching the television yesterday. Because of the idustry I work in, I felt the events strongly, but not nearly so as those who had friends and loved ones killed yesterday. I can offer no real words of sympathy, for to me, sympathy means that I have some frame of reference for what you must be going through. And while I have felt the pain of losing one close to me, I have not personally suffered as a result of any event like this. I feel that what sympathy I have is simply not enough. But with empathy, my heart goes out to you, and so do my prayers, that whatever you are feeling, whatever you are going through, that you will find some peace and some comfort, be it in God/Diety, in simply coming to terms with the events and loss, or be it in seeing justice done.

I have read some of the posts and I can say only one thing: I love this country. I do not always love what we do. I do not always love our leaders. But there is an ideal that is America. And I love that ideal. I love that I live in a country where I can beleive one thing, and my neighbor can beleive another. And though we might fight bitterly, I can sleep at night knowing that we both have the freedom to hold those beleifs, even if those beleifs divide us. And it is because of the freedoms of this country that forums like this exist, where anyone can express thier views, weither they offer us sympathy, open thier hearts in empathy, or blame us for tragedy. You see, in many countries, a forum like this, it's creator would be hunted, imprisoned, and this forum would be taken down. In many countries we might have to find and refind this forum as it moved from server to server, possibly on new domains, as authorities came close or even found its authors. It is called freedom of speech, and it is by such avenues as the Internet that we are able to open freespeech to even places where it might not be free.
Ofcourse, I know little of how the 'net works internationally. I don't know if people in these countries could even access this site. What I do know is that people from other countries do, and our freedom is being used by them. And this is okay to me. Freedom held captive is not freedom at all. And I am not saying you can't bash america or blame us on this forum. This country is founded on many ideals. Free speech is one of them. So, if you are going to bash us and blame us, please remember the site that you are using, and from where it is founded, and whose freedom is giving you this forum to bash and blame us.

I can understand where animosity for America comes from. Some of it comes from our perceived interference in foreign affairs. Have we created some of our enemies? Not with the intention of doing so, no. We attempted to help someone who needed help, only to find that they had turned on us later. In our situations, we either supported our allies, or did what we beleived to be right. Would anything different be expected of us? Did we mettle? Did we get involved where we shouldn't? I can't say. I can only say that our actions of the last century are, atleast to my eyes, our attempt to learn from history.

Someone mentioned various involvements. They stopped at Pearl Harbor, but I will begin there. Up until that point we had, with the exception of some minor aid, remained out of the war. When Japan attacked us, that changed, and we entered the war, and won. Would we have entered otherwise? I can not say. I can say that WWII opened really our eyes to the fact that we are part of a world, and we can not forever remain apart from events. I beleive that our involvement since then has been a result of that lesson.

I wanted to thank Alla for putting this forum up. I know there are some who don't think it belongs here. I think that it is a fine thing to put up. I for one am happy to have the place to voice my feelings on what happened. It certainly beats reading these posts on the race/class forums, which might well have happened otherwise.

I truly beleive that our decisions as a country on this event will decide, atleast in some small part, our fate as a nation. I think that this act of terrorism is really on that scale. And, I think it will decide in some part, the future of this world. That is not ego on my part, nor is it pride. Were this any country that acts on a global scale besides america that was affected, I would feel the same way. We live in a global world. What affects one country does have a bearing on others.

This is, besides a chance for us to express our empathy and sympathy, a place for us to share information. I have some questions about the events of yesterday. If anyone has answers, please post newslinks in reply.

Yesterday, the report about a car bomb at the State Department. I saw that report on TV at work. I went home midday, and when I got home could find nothing else about that. Was this report substantiated?
Also, just before the report about the pentagon being attacked there was a report about a fire on the Washington Mall (we had a few people in the office who didn't know what that was, so just to make sure everyone knows, that is the street(s?) of monuments and memorials in Washington DC). Again, I saw no further reports about it. Was this substantiated and/or related?
If anyone has any info on those or knows newslinks for it, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you for listening and in advance for your answers.

Peace and good journey to you.

What has happened to the American Nation today is an absolute horrible tragedy. I know its impossible to know how you must feel, but still my soul weeps at the insanity of it all. Such actions can never be right and I hope whoever was behind this will learn to realize that their horrible actions will haunt them forever in their pityful false and hollow souls. I hope the Americans unite to bring an end to terrorism like this.

From Denmark my heart goes out to all those who have been hit by this tragedy. In fact my heart goes out to the entire mankind...that we should ever see such a tragedy happen is beyond me...