I have just recently switched over to the Legends server. From what I have seen so far, there are smaller groups in heavily farmed zones(not like on my former server), Better loot drops and more to hunt.

Edited, Thu Sep 19 10:17:51 2002

<Grobble begins to rant, his muscles flex and he smacks you in the face to get your attention>

AHEM..... ok i shall now begin speaking my mind

Personally ive played EQ for a very long time, since it started, originally on E'Ci and Erolissi servers before ANY of the expansions came out and most recently spending my time on Brell, and as the years have gone by ive noticed a few things.

1) The "help" we are given from GMs and Guides has never changed. They have never been much help in anything more than replacing a banker who has happened to run off after someone who hes KOS to. (any time you need some actual help, say help with a CR in a very dangerous zone they simply say "I am sorry but i cannot help you, Good Journeys" and this bothers me seeing as they are there to be of HELP to us who pay to play)

2) People have become more and more greedy as the expansions were added on, the new items (while being very nice) have imho destroyed most of the atmosphere that i used to enjoy in Old World EQ, a place where the roleplaying and interaction with other people mattered more than twinking a lv 1 with the most "uber" items in the game, a place where a lv 35 warrior in full bronze weilding two finesteel longswords was considered to be very well equipped. What im trying to say is that the booming EQ-economy has turned my beloved Norrath into a place where not only are people alot more defensive and untrusting of other players but also where people get cheated and ripped off for everything they own on a regular basis (this just recently happened to a good friend of mine)

3) The quality roleplayers are mostly gone, due mostly to the reasons i listed above, and this is the greatest loss to the EQ community because its the roleplaying that makes the game worth playing.


Is this new elite server supposed to improve the quality of gameplay on EQ? i dont think so, providing services that should be available on normal servers (services which SHOULD have been available on normal servers for a long time such as "guaranteed GM assisstance" and alot of nice events, new quests/zones/npcs/loot) at an extravagant price is ********* plain and simple. I read an interview awhile back with one of the EQ managers or some such where he said that to have the same services that are going to run on the Legends server they need more money than the normal 10$ a month and thats why it costs 40$ american per month to play (ps im canadian so that roughly transfers over to 65 bucks a month), i think that Verant which is backed by SONY (which, in case youve had your head buried in sand for the past 20 years, is a multi-billion dollar enterprise) could afford to provide the EQaddicts with some nice bonuses for sticking with their game and not running off to some other MMoRPG.
Maybe im just talkin outta my ***** maybe im just sick of the lack of a real fantasy atmosphere in Norrath these days. I dunno. I dont think ill leave EQ because i have made ALOT of great friends online and i personally love the new luclin models/zones. But id appreciate it if Verant/Sony actually did something nice for us hardcore EQuesters once in awhile without it having to cost us an arm and a leg (financially speaking).


<Grobble ends his rant, collapsing in an unconcious heap on the ground>




Grobble Dagorkon <lv 38 trollish SK> Brell Serillis

I have to say this but I agree with most of the grips I've read on these numerous posts. I think that for the money we pay already we should be getting Lengendary service rather then ledgendary servers. I think the biggest Ledgend at VI is all their promises to their current customers. They border on Myth! Maybe the next server they offer will cost $50 a month and be call the Mythical server that does not really exist but we'ed like you to pay for all the wounderful mythical services we offer. And we can pay $50 a monthe and pretend it's there. Come on vi work with what you got and then lets talk about more money and servers. We play this game in hopes that we become the ledgends. If we can't do it with what we got why pay more?

All I can say is that I went out to buy luclin, and my comp was working fine -- few LDs and good flow. I even upgraded my vid card and my ISP service and extra ram. In the last few months I have LD probs all the time. I have graphics probs with cards that the site says are supported as do all my friends.
All that having been said I do not feel that Verant has even come through on its last set of promises so why would i beleive in them now when thay ask for more $$. The last GM event was almost a joke, they came into a 20something zone, and only 50s could touch them so everyone died. If you were smart and avoided it they ambushed you from behind with a GM twice your lvl -- now that is what i call fun. So how much more fun am i gonna have for 30 extra $ a month. I don't trust the company now, so they get no more $ from me, though I love the game a great deal. AS I sit here now it is because the servers are down since last night, with only a last minute notification. Also no posting on the Sony EQ sites to tell you what is up. Oh yea and no Tech support at night for a 24 hour game -- give me a break.
How about they get the TECH help and the login right for a good while before they try to swindle us for another premium service. I know it is not easy running a company like thay do but they need to deliver on their commitments to the account holders before they try to upgrade again or offer something new and expensive. Luclin was not even ready when it came out and the Company used their customers to troubleshoot things that should have been done a month before. And we had to go get DirectX 8.1 on the web? What is that why not on the disk for easy install, like every other software that i buy. It took me days to deal with that nonsense. The Tech pages listed many devices as supported that had no interface or adapted software to work with the game. That is an insult to a paying client to use them as testers to fix your bugs? what did i pay you all 40$ for -- that is your job.
I can't see how something new would be good until the present stuff is fixed. Premium service is fine for those who want as long as the company delivers on all its day to day commitments to everyone else it serves. I have not seen that yet. I love the Saryn Server and my friends there. I think it is good compared to all the probs i hear from the others.
I just hope that the company can resolve all the Probs still remaining from luclin before they go to do more.
Oh and if it is about money, then i would gladly pay an extra 5 or 10 dollars per month if it gave them the funds needed to correct the present tech probs.
I love EQ, have made many friends, and want to keep playing. I would really like for the company to be more receptive to its account holders so we have more fun, the company continues to prosper thus ensuring that we can keep playing with minimal problems. That way Everone wins.


Valeron Luminar -- Cleric of the Great Mother Circle 35
Saryn Server

Maybe if VI implemented these new ideas onto all the servers they wouldnt lose so many people to DAoC

I play on a pvp server. This Legends this is going to dramatically unbalance pvp on TZ, VZ, SZ, and RZ. A lot of the uber pk guild people are going to move to this new server for $40 a month, farm items with their lvl 60's. Now...these guys like to kill people, they won't stay on Legends. They'll get all kinds of phat lewtz, then move back to their original pvp server and subsequently unleash these Legends items upon the populations of their original servers. To me this is just as bad as e-baying a fungi for RL money in order to have a pvp advantage, only these people will be getting ToV+ quality items. I don't wanna be getting whacked by a weapon named after a pker on my server in a few months. Kamzan's Glaive of Decapitation, 40/30 +20 all resists procs lvl 30 HT or something. It's bad enough you can buy a lvl 60 online from a shady individual who really isn't allowed by VI to do it, but having sanctioned loot buying...might as well just stick a pricetag on NToV dragons' heads and save the expense of a new server.

This a post to add another aspect in the problem regarding 'value for money'. Meaning 'When i pay $40/month will i get what i am paying for ?'

so i would like you to observe the problem from another aspect.

Here it goes:

We just payed $40 for a new race and a new class...with the Luclin Expansion. This contained:

1. New race
2. New class
3. 25 New zones.
4. Hundreds of quests.
5. Hundreds of items
6. New amazing graphics at the new zones
7. Revamped graphics in the old zones

And this...only for $40, payable ONCE. Only once !

Now, we are offered the following:
1. No new race
2. No new class
*3. New quests
*4. New items
5. No new graphics (Some webpages however)
6. No....6

And this for $40 a month. Not once...but monthly. So we payed once, an amount of money for a very good product (albeit with a lacking promised user interface and some graphics missing) with lots of new features.

Now we are offered to pay many times that amount (MONTHLY)...for the above mentioned options 3,4...and a little of option 5.

I dont know...i payed and will continue to pay $40 one time for something big (Luclin)

Now i am offered to pay $40 EVERY MONTH for something small to middle.

I would like some comments on that.

Thank you all for reading this far.


Edited, Mon Feb 11 05:55:29 2002

we are the people who made everquest what it is today ...we have simple computers and not alot of cash on out pockets we are role players with dreams of being somewhere other then this world then you send us Luclin and wiped out half of us and said sorry!.... sorry your not rich enough to play our game. then all i hear from people that still do play is that luclin laggs and has all kinds of problems ... Everquest has virtually no customer service and they have rules they have set up to deal with us accordingly...usually ooo i am sorry we cant help with that.Lengends is some serious BAD NEWS for the last people that are still even hooked on this game...The un-Legends servers are going to see even less attention then they are now...WE havent seen a GM event since OCTOBER thats strait up booty... so think about his great company that has us all EverCRACKED out...If anyone at that company can read this they better get busy with the servers they already have and quit messing around..you might lose a good thing!

Has anybody been accepted to the Legends server yet? Are you one of the 8000? Let the rest of us know! Are we stuck out in the cold, or is Verant pushing back the date on this one too?

Verant has had 3 years to make EQ function reliably. When they had no competition who could do better, I gave them leeway for the magnitude of the undertaking. I will not debate game content, as that is a subjective perspective...
BUT...since it came out, Dark Age of Camelot has functioned wonderfully, with rare disconnects if any. Until Verant can at least make EQ function as reliably, I will consider no 'Premium Service'
based on the old patched horse. I don't mind fee raises, though I think doubling the fee would be as far as I can see as reasonable. Four times as much strikes me as <GREED>. Just this last week, since patch, my usually rare LDs have gotten to like every 10-20 minutes. This pisses me off. I believe they can improve that, but don't, preferring to blame nonspecific routers between them and us. In my view, they need to devote more work to the foundation of making the basic game work right...after 3 years!...then to adding new luxo frills. Sadly, I can only shake my head at the programmers they employ. I will NOT "pay more to get more", when what I am getting both ways is a very flawed product, in the functional sense.

I think this is what the Legends server will surmount to:

-People that can afford to pay for the extra server fee and think the content is interesting will do so. I don't care what people say, thirty extra dollars per month is a lot of money. I'm a "financially independent teenager" (which means I live at home, and therefore have no housing/utility costs, but pay my own school tuition, food, laundry, gas, have a job, etc.) and $30 extra a month is a significant enough portion of my income to make me think about playing on this server.

-While motives for moving may vary, I suspect many people moving to this server will be more dedicated, non-power gamers. The cost is an obvious reason (because $40 a month...that's enough to buy a new game every month), and the uber-guilds probably won't move (for reasons explained in a post somewhere above). People who enjoy pen&paper style roleplaying will probably love this server (purely for the dynamic capabilities and the potential for in-depth character development).

The issue I have with this server is the "legendary weapons" issue. As I see it, there will be several weapons waiting to be found by players, and players will get their name attatched to the weapon for discovering it first. Neat idea, except Verant is making a mistake in letting players transfer their characters from old servers. Azntrunks of Uberguildicus will have four hundred weapons named after him, and everyone else will whine. Short of implementing a Warrens-style loot code, I don't see how Verant is going to resolve this potential problem.

Aside from that, seriously - why whine about the new server? If you don't like it, don't play on it...it's not like it's hurting the old game any.

-Kazekoe
34 Monk, Bertoxxulus

I agree with the above statements that if Verant wants to charge a hundred dollars an hour to play on the new server FINE! They are a business and can do what they want!

However, I will not agree that the pimply faced little teenagers will not be there. They will FLOCK to the server. They don't have a son, a car payment, mortgage, insurance, food, bills and such to pay like I do. To those of you going over..Good luck....