Dynamis and your LSFollow

I most certainly will because I have done it before. For some reason I lost that kind of ego when I was 16. I am more than happy to talk things over with someone that is bothering me. In fact, it happened tonight when I went to help a friend get a RDM testimony. Someone was allready in Beadeaux farming the Ruby Quadavs. I was upset and mad yes, but I didn't say a damn word to him. It's called self-control. Maybe some day Russta might have it to.

Airamis made it plainly clear that those kind of actions on the calendar he made are grounds for the LS to not be listened to anymore untill the leaders do something about their members.

We may have yes, but Airamis at least has the balls to call us on something like that and punish us accordingly. He is also willing to appologize if he did the said flaming.

They could deal with the frustrations like I do and get frustrated at home and rant and rage at home. I do that. By almost no means do I ever really want to take it into the gaming community. Some people do have something called maturity and are able to keep things like the anger Russty had to themselves or at least keep it to their group and not spread it out in public.

The topic is a 100% rope because people such as yourselves are still ignorant of us and the reasons we gave. They apparently are not "clear" or "valid" enough. We have tried the communication thing like you asked us and it failed.

So what are we to do? Joining the TShot calendar would bascially be saying to the people that are doing the bullying and name calling, "I submitt to you and will do what you say." Well I am sorry but that is not what Airamis wants to do. What else do you suggest?

Edited, Thu Oct 27 20:10:37 2005 by Rohon

Was somebody asking who I am? I did play the character Syth. Syth was originally my son's character and he got bored with the game. I took Syth to a level 41 PLD on the Ragnarok server. I don't play much anymore but I get a laugh out of you guys. Besides, my son plays some again. Everyone takes the game too serious. What I am seeing here is the very reason I stopped at level 41 (besides having a real life). But my entire family plays so I get to see a lot. And I laugh a lot. Anybody who knows me on the server knows I take nothing about this game serious. I am not in a Dynamis LS (level 41 wouldn't be). But it is quite obvious to me that a few people on the server think they are gods. I guess it builds there self esteem. Now that is funny.

Do I think I am a god setting rules for you guys? Nope. Rightly I don't care. I'm just poking around so I can see more fun. You guys will rant and rave and I will get a good laugh.

Did I see what went down the other night? Yep I did. Did Lemonade jump on another slot. Yep they did. Do I think they did it on purpose? The times were posted. The SHell of Toddlers seems to have lost it or something. Oh well. Yes, one of my family members is in a Dynamis Linkshell.

Am I a member of DBS? Well, yes I am. Got a pearl a long time ago. It is has been around since I bought the game for my older son, which has been quite a while. I don't know Airamis IRL other than through the game, but he hasn't done anything to make me question him. Seems to run a solid business and has this game as a hobby. I think he gets a laugh out of this stuff too. And you guys fall for it.

Bottom line I pay SE each month and will play the game according to how SE has it set up. Has SE got it perfect? No. Will they do anything about it? No. Why? Because they have your money too.

Want me to follow your rules? Send gil and we can talk.

But, as I said before, please don't stop on my behalf. This whole thread is a hoot. If it gets boring I am sure Mr. Lee Moan can help give you some more pointers.

U have no idea what Syth has done in his life...Like he clearly stated that this game is only entertainment for himself and family, not his LIFE like it has become for some people....

Remember that little saying that you see everytime you log in..

Do not let this game interupt your family, friends, school, etc, IRL stuff.

Problem is most of these people endgame believe this is their life.

I was stating that he is answering for you now, not for what you have answered in the past. People who write a response which is full of what someone else says is utterly pointless - when I ask a question I'm not asking for a summary of what has been asked in a similar question. In short, my issue was not with you not answering questions, but with Rohon continuously using an opinion which is yours, and not his own. If it's his opinion as well then he should not be opening with "Airamis thinks/says/does".

I can quite clearly see why you do not want to use the tshot.org calendar now, and that is all I wanted when I started posting. I don't have to like, nor accept the reason because it's not my place to tell you what to do. All I have been doing is putting forth recommendation to resolve the situation, as it has been resolved several times before - before your Linkshell was doing Dynamis.

Unctgtg: Your response was worthless, and higly hypocritical. I wasn't referring to his life at all, only his apparent in game experience, to which you decide to point out that everyone who is involved in HNM (or even just most, as you seemed to put it) has no real life. There's also a certain irony between that and someone who cannot distinguish gil from dollars...

You guys are such a hoot. In my account are two level 75 jobs and several above 50. My account has six characters, none of which are what you guys call mules. The best part is how you type without reading. How did you think I saw the whole Dynamis thing go down? Yes, Syth is level 41. Belongs to my youngest son which is probably my only child younger than you. That is how I can sit back and laugh at the kids and how I knew what the kids at Lemonade did. It is such a hoot.

Tyladras, I was writing software for games before you were a twinkle in your parents' eyes. Are you in the drama class or school play? If not, you should try out. But, please, write some more. I am thoroughly enjoying this thread. It takes me back 25 years. You guys are wonderful. Thank you so much for giving me something to laugh about between breaks. I really mean it. Gotta get back to work. Write some more. This is fun!

Oh, almost forgot. If you kids study real hard maybe you can get a job like Unctgtg where he has enough time to play and earn a lot of gil! And with a real job you get dollars too! Wait till you learn about that.

Edited, Fri Oct 28 09:50:18 2005 by SythFFXI

Edited, Fri Oct 28 09:51:43 2005 by SythFFXI

First this doesn't need to degenerate into name calling, it's how we got here in the first place and I'm not going to sit here and watch memebers of my LS stoop to that level. So knock it off!



In point of fact this statement is inaccurate. At the time my LS started doing Dynamis only 3 LS used the Tshot Calendar, Tshot and Spike (can't count them as it's their forum so one would expect that, it makes it nothing more than a 'LS forum calendar' for those 2), and yourselves. That is by NO means a 'single resource for all LS'. It was BECAUSE of this, and the treatment we recieved for NOT using this tool and following the 'rules' that infuriated me. It was a tiny minority of LS bullying other LS into compliance. If ANYONE can tell me that is a positive I'll drop my argument right now and go post at Tshot. If anyone can show that 3 LS (really only two since SF and Tshot are apparently one in the same) banding together to make threats and force others to submit or be ignored is good for everyone, then I'll post. However, any system built on such tactics is little more than a shell game and the comments and posts towards innocent LS that lead to their cohersion is simply not justified.

It amazes me how well versed in your Lenin you all seem to be. Lenin suggested that a lie told often enough becomes the truth. it is a core value of despots, communism, and other organizations built on fear instead of sharing. One need only view the truth to see it here. It is about control. If it were not then the folowing points would be viewed as the simple and easy to understand facts they are.

1 - All things being equal, Dynamiscalendar.com is simply a more logical, easier to remember URL that can be shared more easily in game and out. This has been agreed to by some already.

2 - Not having any calendar reside on a single LS private site prevents questions of favoritism. It also avoids the obvious claims of plotting due to the restricted private forums reserved for LS members. Ownership of the URL is unimportant as long as all are given equal voice and all areas are 100% public and accessable.

3 - Proactive inclusion, where Ls or other calendars are actively sought out in an effort to make as many people aware of as many LS plans as possible is simply superior to a system where anyone who does not know of the resource or may have an issue with it is flamed, attacked, and harassed in game and out. An attitude that says "I will simply ignore you if you do not do as I say" is counter to the entire point of this project. No resource will ever be respected with that attitude. If they don't contribute, at least the effort of seeking out what they are doing to minimize issues/troubles is paramount. If nothing else it gives a heads up to those who DO use the resource that trouble may be at hand and who or whom to contact.

4 - Any calendar that allows people to post in a manner which can indicate that a later post was the first post is inherently flawed. As it stands, Tshots Calendar lists posts by the time requested not the order entered. This can lead to obvious problems and is wide open to abuse. A better solution is a system that posts the requested times in the order in which they were recieved. Thus if a LS requests a time and another comes behind to request an earlier time it is clear which LS 'got in line' first. This aids dispute resolution. Dynamiscalendar.com does this already. Side note, unfortunately neither system currently supports time stamping of posts, but at least one that orders by time posted is an improvement.

5 - Respect. What you put #1 I put way down because frankly you have to work up to it. Whether ther is one resource, two, or 50 individual calendar's makes no difference if there is not some level of respect between everyone. I have enough respect for the LS involved at Tshot to take the time to make sure I don't conflict, repost those in Dyanmiscalendar.com to make sure anyone uses it also sees those time and aviods conflicts. But to say "if you don't post in THIS fashion in THIS place" we will simply ignore you is disrespectful in the extreme and only goes back to the heart of my argument.

6 - Leadership. This is obviously and clearly lacking in the current solution. Leadership, true leadership, would never tolerate the abuses listed here and elsewhere. Leadership, from LS leaders, Sacks, and perhaps even general memebers would be the first to admonish such gross abuse of another player or players in game as some of the things that have happened and even more so with the posted livejouranl link. Such actions must be discouraged, shamed, and generally declared unacceptable from the entire community. If, as I have seen so far, it is help up as acceptable, and even in some cases apparently encouraged, then it will never matter what anyone tries to do, it will be seen as a joke and deserving of no respect.


That's the first six points. There are about 5 more to consider to make it work.

Well, seem I'm a little late to join the bandwagon, but I do want to offer what little I can about this subject.

Regarding what has been said about KupoNet: all I can offer is this; I spoke to the leader of DBS (as far as I know), when I /searched and saw that they were in Sandoria when we had been planning to do it. Yes, naturally I was agitated, but anyone who knows me well knows I'm not one to be like OMGBBQ and start throwing a temper tantrum about it. I calmly asked in my LS for the leader's name, and sent him/her a /t.

We went back and forth for a while, calmly discussing this matter, in no way were either of us insulting or derogatory. We discussed this maturely, and I casually brought up mention of the Dynamis Calender, we talked about this briefly, and he/she came to tell me he would look it up.

When you continually say "Kuponet said this" and "Kuponet said that", it brings me back to several other debates held on this forums. The individuals who decided to send your LS tells are not the entirety of the LS. It seems degrading to me for you to label the entire LS as 'forcing you to drop your glass' and all this, because frankly, when Kuponet is concerned, mine is the only word that matters. Period. I am the leader, and if I send someone a /t, that's the only person anyone should listen to. I make the decisions, not those members who work alongside me and decide to angrily send an irrational /t or two to you.

I don't want anyone to have the impression that Kuponet attempted to "force" anyone to leave an area of Dynamis. A few people might have of their own volition, but they in no way acted on behalf of the LS. I just wanted to make that point clear.

As for the rest: I agree, you in no way have to use the Dynamis calender put forth by Tshot/SpikeFlail, but it is merely a courtesy. Naturally, you have the ability to refuse using this courtesy, but it would be muche easier to everyone if we all used the same calender together.

I've said it elsewhere before, and I'll say it again: FFXI is here for us to have fun! It's a game, and games aren't here to create deluxe-extreme-spectacular-tothemax stress. Some of us are taking it way too seriously; let's take a step back and realize we're all working towards a common goal: having fun in Dynamis. That being said, relax and work with one another, and everything will come together in the end.

Edited, Fri Oct 28 18:14:15 2005 by Makotaco

Oh wow. I told myself to stay away from this thread (and in fact, everyone I talked to ingame told me I was wasting my time), but after reading the comedy GOLD on that thread you just posted for me, I can't help but reply. Massive post coming up, so I guess most people won't bat a second eye to this, but hey, I'm bored at the moment, so why not?

Let me ask you a frank question: have I insulted you or your linkshell intentionally or purposely spoken about you derogatorily specifically about your LS?

Since I'm 100% sure that the answer is a resounding no, I'm going to continue breaking down that thread you just posted.

Bedrock created that calendar with very very good intentions and it was executed perfectly fine at it's start. For the sake of argument, let's forget the Linkshells (since you so frequently like to point out) that use this calendar like it's the law, because I'm referring to Spike Flail only here.

At it's start, Zenmetsu, Lemonade, Spike Flail and a couple of other LS's doing Dynamis were using it. Over time, more joined. Let me point out that Spike Flail didn't bully nor harass anyone into joining this calendar. Bedrock has been nothing but civil about trying to get others to use this calendar. Why am I so insistent we talk only about Spike Flail? Because all I see on that threads are insults pertaining to my LS, but we'll get to that in a second.

Quotes from the thread:



Our calendar has always been public. The simple reason for why people are requested to speak ingame is so that the administrator of tshot.org doesn't have to sit there weeding out people (he really doesn't have a whole lot of time due to his RL job) who just join to place times on a calendar but aren't serious about it (and these kinds of people DO exist, believe it or not). That's it. Just to make sure that you really want to do Dynamis. Is that such a crime? It's not like we have ever denied everyone, because that's not upto us... just talk to Bedrock or another sackholder ingame and you get signed up on the site. It's not that complicated that you have to refer to it as a "secret clique", because that's not what it is. Frankly, if anything, this is just a purely scandalous remark.

You had difficulty finding it. Ok. Understandable. The methods by which you were exposed to said calendar weren't ideal, nope. That wasn't Spike Flail's intention whatsoever. This isn't a controlling conspiracy. Bedrock (and the rest of the LS) had very very good intentions with it. It just took longer than we had hoped to spread the message around I guess, I don't know.

Let me put it another way: there's nothing preventing from YOUR website from turning into the same thing. In fact, had we not created one at all, and instead your site was the first, I don't doubt for a second in my mind that there would be linkshells that would treat your site as "law" too. So it's not our execution or mentality that's the problem here (and when I say our, I mean Spike Flail).

Don't take this as an insult, but at the time, the big LS's that were doing Dynamis were Zenmetsu, SpikeFlail, Lemonade, TC and a couple of others. When I say big, I mean many many members. I'm NOT downplaying your Linkshell, just that many of us hadn't heard of it. I suppose we should have looked harder. But Zenmetsu, Lemonade and TC had been doing Dynamis peacefully co-existing with us for quite some time, doing many Dynamis runs.

Let's move onto the insults:



Yeah, wow! One person in your Linkshell (and dare I say, a questionable one on this server. It's not ME that's saying this, just look at the loads of people who talk about him on these very forums. WHETHER OR NOT ANY OF THAT IS TRUE IS NOT THE POINT OF ME SAYING THAT. I'M POINTING OUT THAT PERHAPS HE DOESN'T KNOW EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW ON THIS SERVER?) hasn't heard of Bedrock, a damn good 75 DRK (and it's not even a bias, ask any of the other HNM linkshells) and excellent LS leader, suddenly our website is "CRAP" and we're "not worth a second glance". Excuse me, what about your self-righteous attitude you've displayed this entire thread about how we can't disregard "newer LS's", etc. etc.? Granted, Spike Flail isn't a newer LS at ALL, but what you have done by the very thing you have accused of? You've downplayed us without even giving us a chance and formed a derogatory opinion about us based on pure hearsay. Kuponet directed you towards our website, NOT us. We didn't even do anything to you, let alone harass you, as far as I know. Wow, pot calling the kettle black?



Bedrock had been talking with plenty of other LS's and posting Spike Flail's Dynamis times for months before on his Livejournal. It was at this point in time that he decided to COLLABORATE this data and put it into a publicly available calendar. Just because you see only that much data on the calendar doesn't mean that there wasn't communication between MANY (not all) of the major HNM/Dynamis LS's, it was done via Livejournal and ingame tells. So yours wasn't included, 'tis a shame. There's nothing that can be done about the past, I'll say frankly, until this thread, I'd never heard of your linkshell at all. Doesn't mean that I automatically dismissed it as being "unable" or "useless". I've never thought before sorry. But you accuse us all of doing it, when in reality you just did the same thing on that very thread you posted.



Thanks, I really appreciate knowing that we're not a 'REAL' HNM/Dynamis LS, considering we've been around twice as longer than any of the ones you've listed have and have accomplished PLENTY of stuff ingame. And that's not just fiction, sorry. Just because you don't see us roaming around {sky} anymore doesn't mean we haven't done all of that and back. We've had our fill of {sky} (except for newer members) and we're on other things. Just shows that you REALLY have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to HNM LS's. That's fine! You're allowed to be ignorant of this area, but that doesn't mean you should talk about it as if you really know what you are talking about.

As far as I know, none of those Linkshells that you mentioned have killed Fafnir/Nidhogg, made serious attempts at Dynamis Lord and CoP Wyrms, etc. etc. I'm NOT PUTTING DOWN THOSE LS'S BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET. They will in time, this isn't a "We're better than you" comment, it's a point to indicate that we've done those things. So, again, thanks for not thinking of us as a 'REAL' HNM/Dynamis shell.

Glad to see that you left out TheCalm and Zenmetsu as well, who have been around even longer than us.



Thanks for not even giving it a chance. Oh wait, aren't you arguing that people aren't giving your calendar a chance at all? Hmm.....

I see the plenty of "They don't own the server"-type comments, and honestly, I'm going to ignore them for now simply because we've all had it up to our necks with that kind of commenting. Enough already. I can't speak for the entire HNM community, but I CAN speak for my linkshell and we don't treat it like that, sorry.



Glad to know that our LS isn't a "respectable" LS, which you jumped to this conclusion from what exactly? Did you actually deal with any of our leaders ingame? Nope, that's what I thought, it's all based on hearsay. Oh wait! You accused others of calling you a "non-shell", etc. funny, looks like this thread you just posted is older than the current thread we're talking on! Hmm....



Hey, you don't know our history and I don't blame you for not knowing. But posting INCORRECT information in an attempt to defame on your PUBLIC THREADED forums? Not cool at all.

TSHoT was formed waaaaaaaay back. Like May or June 2004. It was founded by Lalryn, who was LS leader. We did HNM / sky stuff, but didn't have our own Dynamis back then because we were part of DynamisCatAttack. Eventually, Lalryn decided to quit and we reformed the shell with Bedrock as leader = Spike Flail. Reconstitued failed site? Tshot.org was heavily in use by our linkshell members before the switchover to Spike Flail, so we decided to keep the same domain name as that's what most of our members still remember the LS as. Nice to see that you post garbage like this without actually KNOWING about what you are talking about.

And I still don't understand how you are equating Kuponet -> Spike Flail. We acted like immature 5 year olds? We didn't send you tells or harassed you, why are you lumping our "failed site" and "fake HNM LS" with everyone else?

Our organization skills are under question? Do you actually know us? Do you realize how difficult it is to organize HNM events and things like Dynamis Lord? Awesome, I love the blanket statements once again based on absolutely NOTHING. Funny, you accuse everyone else of doing this, but you're allowed to?

Have you actually sat down and talked with our leader? Nope. So stop blanketing us into this corner where you think we all belong, thanks.

In fact, you keep posting incorrect information in this massive attempt to defame us:



Spike Flail and Kuponet harassed you, eh?

Ok, let's quote what Stellar put in his post:



Nice to know that you not only accuse of false things, you can't differentiate between Sparkle & Fade and Spike Flail. Two completely different LS's running things at two completely different times. Not associated. So why is it ok for you to jump to false conclusions and band together all of the HNM community into this "hole" you've created, but when the reverse happens, us "bullies" are HORRID PEOPLE!

Sorry, but going off one person's (from what I can see in that thread) account of "what's what" and "who's important" like you have done with Uncgtgt is no better than newer LS's getting put onto the "new LS" bandwagon. All hearsay. In fact, you can scan this thread, no Spike Flail member has put your LS DOWN by saying you aren't capable of something, or that you have no skill, etc. etc.

Instead, I see YOUR linkshell members, like that lovely Syth, who come here and make fun of us for taking this game seriously because gasp, heaven forbid, we actually enjoy this game and thus take it seriously. I suppose he should mock all the people who take Baseball seriously? Or Hockey? Or Nascar? Or, for that matter of fact, any hobby? Gosh, give me a break. This is a FORUM dedicated to discussion on a server for a videogame. It's incredibly ironic that he says he is taking himself not seriously and make fun of us ON THE FORUM for discussing on a forum dedicated to a virtual online world. Not to mention, call TSHoT as The Linkshell of Toddlers. Real class there, I must say. Good thing he knows nothing about us! And I don't know anything about him, you, or your linkshell. And I haven't been arrogant enough to assume anything about your linkshell either, nor have I talked about your linkshell in a derogatory manner or resorted to petty name-calling. Or should I jump to the conclusion that everyone in your LS behaves like this?

Let's also take the final issue of this very thread that you linked us, which is based on your linkshell public forum that is accessible by others who care to frequent your site. It's your LS, you're allowed posting what you want on it I guess. But posting insults about my LS, something which you apparently know NOTHING about, isn't cool. If I could show you the private forum listings from my LS, you wouldn't see a single thread, topic or post referring to you guys at all. It's not like we all sit around all day and write topics like "Man, those new goddamn linkshells suck hahahahahaahahahah!".........

Back to the very reason why this topic exists: our calendar was created with every good intention, just like I can only assume your calendar is for. Instead of dismissing it away, talk to our leader ingame when he can actually log on. The entire HNM community isn't crap. Many of us are just players out to have a good time without unnecessary drama. Some players may cause it, but in the end, we're all just human and just want this game to be fun. That's it.

EDIT: Minor spelling and addendums.

Edited, Sat Oct 29 02:09:58 2005 by Asherek

Im guessing you dont understand how serious this is, but at least your funny about it =D.

And about what you said before, something like "I have a real life and ffxi is minimal". When you schedule dynamis and 40 people show up only to have it cancelled, its not so minimal.

Yeah, I would think that would be me, being Makore. And no, I am not the one who "ordered" you to do anything, I merely stated to you very politely (yes, I was polite, I almost always am, especially to strangers) that we had a big of a predicament, and explained the situation. I merely suggested that so similar unfortunate mix-ups didn't happen in the future, we could all use the calender, and proceeded to give you the URL after you asked.




I'll remind you again: this is a game. These are people. This isn't the embassy of China where we're discussing matters of dire national importance, this is end-game ffxi. I am sorry, but if arranging a dynamis linkshell makes me responsible for every comment my members decide to make -- which I thought I made plainly clear I did not support or appreciate -- on their own behalf, then I think it's about time you took a step back and reconsidered what you're saying. People take actions not as members of a linkshell but as people expressing their own views, and I'm sorry, I'm not going to take responsibility for that. This is a Dynamis linkshell. These are people who have come together for one purpose: dynamis twice a week. If I had endorsed their feelings or made it apparent I supported their views, then yes, I would owe you an apology, but apologizing for them taking actions on their own isn't warrenting anything from me, or Jaypee on behalf of Russta, or Bedrock on behalf of any members of his LS who may express their frustration on forums, LJ, or via /t.

If anything, you should be ignoring these childish insults or remarks, as they should mean nothing to you: that's all they are, commentaries made out of frustration or anger. Why is it worth the time bothering with them? Instead, you should be focusing on the more important issues at hand, such as the fact that all the LS leaders are willing to work together here. If the majority feel this calender works best, why do you need to put a wrench in the gears? I can understand you may feel distaste towards it in one way or another (I myself find it kind of sad there are so many issues on Ragnarok, so many people we need to make such a calender), but does that mean you need to impede the progress of everyone involved? Is it worth it?

I hope you consider what I've said, and understand this isn't made arguementatively, but merely to help us progress towards a solution that betters the already teeth-grating experience end-game has become.

Edited, Sat Oct 29 03:10:23 2005 by Makotaco

Like you said, people are entitled to their views. Airamis' goes alot more deeper than just one person saying to him, "OMG this person sucks," and if I am wrong, he will point it out and I will eat my own words. Moving on...

Not once in my most recent post did I say you view your calendar as law. If I did, show me. Also not once in my last post did I say that Spike Flail is making an attempt to control the server. With all the times you have said it, yes it has "finnaly sunk into my thick skull" as Jaypee would say (sicne for most of the posts I have 80% of the time been trying to clarify what Airamis has said and told me). I understand it, you can stop saying it now. Like I said, if anywhere in my LAST post you got that impression, show me, because I swear I left it out purposefully due to the fact that you and most other LSs that use the TShot calendar have been saying it repetedly and I get it.

Do you mean I should not tell you how to run your LS, or are you saying I should not tell Airamis how to run his? If the first is what you are saying than you are most deffinately correct. If the second is what you mean, well I do tell him how to run it sometimes. Sometimes he accepts it, sometimes he does not. I was once a linksack in the LS but he decided to downsize them and I came after a number of people before me when he decided the limiting number to have. He still respects my views and oppinions very much as we have had long discussions about this topic. Just thought I would point that out that I am not one of the run-of-the-mill linkshell people. I WAS once a sack and my thoughts and oppinions are still treated as such. Albiet all the other people in DBS are allowed to voice their oppinions too. Freedom of speech man. He eithor chooses to listen, ignore, or laugh at it.

The problem with the comment you have just made is Airamis is not completly refusing to associate DBS with the calendar. As I have stated after the incendent in Sandy with some people from Kuponet, however lewd Airamis made the calendar sound in our DBS thread, he still respected the listed times and has to this date planned around them. Why does an LS that uses the TShot calendar (not yours, I am talking about Lemonade here) refuse to respect our time requests on our calnedar if they were so willing to do it back in the days when you just used LiveJournal?

Point taken. (Oh my god I accepted a point without an argument!?!?) Yes I can. If anything else needs to be said about this from our side, Airamis will be the one to say it.

On that last comment, Airamis tried talking it over to the said LS Lemonade. The comment he got from one of the leaders (and I believe he said it was Appie but I MAY be wrong, Airamis can tell me if I am) was that it was our problem that their time request, which they made after we had had ours up for a while on our calendar, conflicted with ours. It was scheduled on the calendar so I am assuming one of the Lemonade leaders made it basicaly saying, "since you don't post it here, we will ignore your requests." (This is not anoter attempt at me saying the TShot calendar is law, this is me saying Lemonade is refusing to aknowlage requests that they SHOULD be aware of since before their latest time request for Windy was posted, they knew about our calender having Appie state he now knows it does exist on this thread BEFORE having posted his LSs Windurst time on Nov 2nd.)

And as for the judge thing, on my last comment I did not ask you to step in as the judge, nor anyone else to. I am still waiting for what the leaders of Lemonade have to say, then I will make conclusions from that though I probably won't post them here since with the previous treatment from the LS leaders, I have a good idea of what will be said.

It's up to the people that run Lemonade. We don't want some smug comment from an underling becase as Asherek has pointed out and because people don't want to hear from me, lets hear from you or your leadership.

Hell if the leaders of Lemonade admit that there is something wrong with the latest dates they have requested, and that their linkshell eithor a)sipmly did not, out of respect they apparently have, go to our site to check our calendar to see our intentions, though they knew our website at the time having acknowlaged it in this thread BEFORE his windy date was posted 2 or 3 days ago, or b)went to check the callendar and just ignored the request completely, and start to be willing to talk their linkshell's intentions over with ours (even though we don't want to say weather he can or can't have his requests, we just want to compare them with our own and solve conflicts tht may arise) and be willing to listen to our requests I'd be willing to go over and post our dates myself.

Edited, Sat Oct 29 13:05:01 2005 by Rohon

I amended my final paragraph in hopes of SOME solution coming from this:

Like I said earlier though, even though it may not be exactly what you are lookig for, Airamis still has enough respect for the LSs that use TShot (including Lemonade IF their times had been there AND the city they were intending on, because as I believe Appie said they always do it at 5:30 EST, BEFORE we had made our requests which they continue to ignore) to look at the calendar and schedule around the times and places your guy's LSs request. I KNOW like I just said that it is not the solution you people would LIKE to see, (not want, LIKE to see) but it is most certainly a more respectful step then what he seemed willing to do in our DBS thread he posted.

I ask any of the LSs that use it this: IF DiuLay posted their intended Dynamis times in some way that could be viewed by the public (weather it be forums posts, or a calendar) would you respect their intentions the same way you respect every one of the LSs that DO use the TShot calendar? I was told from Airamis having talked to the leadership of DiuLay that they were ALSO treated the same way we were for not repsecting the wishes of the people of one of the mentioned LSs that use the TShot calendar. Now I was in DiuLay once waaaaaay back when they origionlly changed from SARS to DiuLa. I was with the SARS LS for about two months then they switched names and I was with DiuLay for almost 6th months but was dropped due to me not leveling a job to 75 and participating more but I bet any HNM/Dynamis LS might have reason to do that, anyways, in the time I did spend there I got to know their members and leaders and I will tell you flat out, for not ONE SECOND would Juibb want to schedule something that conflicts with the scedule of another Dynamis LS unless he truely had some reason to loath and despise the said other LS, and to this day, aside for the LSs that were guilsellers and such I don't THINK he has that much of a quarrel with any of the major LSs, would you all repect their requests too?

Edited, Sat Oct 29 13:00:11 2005 by Rohon