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How was Obama care supposed to do this? At what point did you demand that same question when the Democrats were telling you how the ACA would make health care "more affordable", and "more available", and "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor". You're applying a ridiculous double standard here.

Um... But if you want the answer, it's been given multiple times to you. By allowing insurers to offer a wide variety of plans, they can include ones with less comprehensive coverage, but much lower premiums. By allowing insurers to compete across state lines, it can increase competition, resulting in not only more plan options, but forcing prices down on each tier of plan. Tort reform can also reduce premiums by reducing overhead to the health industry as a whole, the majority of which just lines the pockets of lawyers and does little or nothing to contribute to the health of those paying for this.

There's three things right off the top of my head, all of which I know for a fact have been discussed on this forum before. Some of them probably in this very thread. So yeah... How has been answered. Oh. And that is before mentioning that by merely *not* mandating the purchase of health insurance by everyone, you can avoid a cost increase (like what we've seen) that is pretty much guaranteed when you hand out free money like that. IMO, one of the biggest flaws with the ACA is that in their obsession over the true concept that the larger a pool of insurers, the lower the cost per person, they forgot that this only works when those insurers are free to buy or not buy the insurance. Once you mandate the purchase the rules change. Democrats often tend to forget stuff like that. So by just removing the mandate, we could lower premiums. Even if we changed nothing else at all. Viva la Free Market!

And yes, before you go there, that's all still a long way from written legislation. But again, that's a whole different issue. The devil is in the details, but that's true of anything you do, and probably doubly so for legislation.

And nothing, you said you didn't know when they were from, so I looked it up.

Really, dude?
For the record, now that the 401(c)3 I work for decided to get group health insurance for us it cost me ~$125US a month for health insurance. I have no idea what the admin side pays, though.

Fine. Here this will clear it out of your head.



Edit: Love how Maui and Tamatoa have the same face in those two images... Go Disney.

Edited, Apr 12th 2017 9:21am by someproteinguy

I can argue for covering PEC's for social reasons; you historically have argued against doing anything for social reasons. Thought I'd point that out.



Ayn.

But you don't really think they'll eat that extra cost themselves, right?

Then make that argument. What you tried to do was argue that by covering PECs, it would somehow result in decreased costs. It wont. It will (and did) increase costs across the board.

Say "it's worth the extra cost to provide this". It's not that hard. My issue here is the bait and switch nature of this. Its' called the "Affordable Care Act". It was argued based on the issue of rising health care/insurance costs. It was sold to the public as a means to reduce those costs. And that was absolutely a lie.

I guess what bothers me so much about this, is that there are people who honestly think this is a great idea and we should go forward with it, but instead of actually saying "this is a great idea and we should go forward with it", they feel like they have to lie about what they are doing in order to get it done. Vote for the bill first, then find out what's in it. I think that's a terrible way to make law. If you actually think something is the right thing to do then argue for it, and then win the freaking argument. But if you can't win that argument, on those merits, then drop it. Don't just do it anyway by just re-labeling what you're doing as something else. That's never a good idea.

*SIGH*

Which is what I was responding to. Quit *****ing changing the subject every time you are answered. It's been pretty tiresome for the past eight years.

The fact that the insurance companies raised their prices is purely a matter of "more money!!" not "OMG we're gonna go broke".


Frankly, I think we should go completely single payer and let the health isurance companies go the way of the buggy harness industry.

I love my universal healthcare.

No you don't. You have to wait for nine months before you can have your bloody arm sewn back on in a stable.

Because the animals actually liked Jesus, they were tired of being sacrifices, and he was supposed to put a stop to that. They don't like you so much since you'll just wait until they get turned into hot dogs then eat them. That cow has all the reason in the world to "accidentally bump" the surgeon.

Americans and their constant need for luxuries