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.5% of a bunch of Trump-humpers can recognize an Russian flag?

That number seems artificially high to me.

Pretty funny troll effort, I suppose. But honestly, given the volume of randomly designed red white and blue colored swag handed out at events like this, it's not really very difficult. Could do it at any event probably.

It would be funnier if the people handing out the flags weren't also among the same set of people trying desperately to convince people that the target of the prank is a manchurian candidate. It's "funny" in the same vein as someone trying to spread rumors about someone having an affair going out and creating fake dating site profiles under said targets name so as to help perpetuate the rumor. Such antics really say more about those engaged in them than they do about the targets IMO.

No. There's "people who don't like Trump", and "people who are willing to do or say anything to delegitimize Trump". Folks like McCain and Bush are in the camp of "we're willing to investigate to see if any wrongdoing occurred". Folks like those who did this prank are in the "I don't care what the truth is, I want people to believe <insert conspiracy theory here>".

If the facts support the theory, then you don't have to create false impressions by doing things like tricking people at CPAC into waving Russian flags. The very act of doing so suggests someone who knows or strongly believes that there aren't sufficient actual facts to support the desired conspiracy theory, but really really want people to believe in said theory anyway. It's about creating the perception of something, in the absence of the reality of that thing.



Or maybe if the Chinese government had managed to trick the First Lady into agreeing to participate in a traditional dance that included waving around a pair of "communism red" banners. That would have been frickin hilarious! Right? I mean, surely you can get a bunch of random folks at CPAC to not realize the symbolism of what they're waving around, but no way could the Harvard educated wife of the President be fooled by such a thing.

I didn't say it wasn't funny. I said that it's humor is somewhat degraded by the strained nature of the joke itself and frankly, the ease with which a similar joke could be played on any such audience. You get that it's not like the people at CPAC are required to be long standing card carrying Republicans, or even conservatives, right? And they certainly aren't required to be particularly politically savvy. I mean, these two got in after all. I know some college students who go to the darn thing, more or less on a lark, and not out of any particularly strong political views.

You hand out swag at these things, and people will take it. If said swag is something waveable with a prominent figure's name on it, a good percentage of the people you handed them to will wave them. Are you seriously arguing that if some conservatives had gone into some venue where Obama was speaking and handed out 1000 little Kenyan flags with "OBAMA" written on them, that the result would have been any different? I suppose the big difference is that conservatives tend to have a bit more class than to do stuff like that.

So yeah. Funny. But funny like getting people to slip on a banana peel funny. Sure, we laugh, but on some level we also realize that had we happened to be the one walking along at that moment, we'd have been the one who fell and everyone would be laughing at us. And that makes it a bit less funny. Well. Or it should anyway.

Gbaji is so unreasonably butthurt about this, for increasingly wacky reasons/

Insisting that an American citizen isn't one = classy.

Insisting that attendance at a church absolutely means that the atendee must naturally agree with every single thing that comes out of the preacher's mouth = classy.

Insisting that a forceful personality in a man "shows strength" but if a woman does it she's a bitch = classy.

Giving a no-bid, exclusive contract to the company of a highly placed member of the administration and then watching the money disappear into the companies account with no legal repercussions= super-classy

Screeching that the government should minimize interfering in the citizen's right to live their lives then pushing multiple agendas to do just that = classy beyond belief

Stay classy, conservatives!

Thank you. You have set my mind at ease.

I think Gbaji is angling for Spicer's job once he gets the boot.

Don't be selling Mallard Fillmore short.

No clue what you're talking about here.



Everything? No. But things that are a primary theme for that particular church and preacher? Yeah. In the exact same way that someone who's attending a KKK rally may not agree with every single thing said, but it's a good bet that he does agree in principle with the idea of white supremacy, right? If you choose, out of all the churches in the area, to attend a church that specifically preaches black liberation theology, it's a good bet that you yourself are an adherent to that philosophy.



Ironically, this is far more prevalent on the left side of the political spectrum than on the right.



There are literally more incorrect statements in that sentence than correct.



Your definition of "interfering" mostly includes the government *not* doing things that you think it should. Which I find hilarious.



Interesting that no where in your list is something like "show up at the other party's events, and intentionally do stuff to make the people attending there look foolish, dumb, do something that makes the speakers look bad, etc". You know things that actually show a lack of class. Taking a position and standing by it is one thing. Being so weak that the only way you think you can win is to go over to the other guy and make stuff up about him? That's a whole different thing.

let's make fun of misspelled signs. At least some of which are us showing up with deliberately misspelled signs, taking pictures of ourselves, and then posting it and claiming it's those other dumb people. Let's show up at Conservative events and start fights, so we can point out how violent and hateful conservative's are. Let's show up at Conservative events wearing offensive, racist, sexist, etc T-shirts and make sure to stand in front of the cameras so that everyone can see how racist, sexist, etc conservatives are. Let's show up at a Conservative event and hand out Russian flags with Trump's name on it, so we can show everyone that Trump really is connected to the Russian government.

See what these all have in common? A need to create a false impression of the other side. Which is what you do when you can't make your own side or position appealing. You have to go attack the other guy. And yeah, when you do that, it speaks more about you than the other guy, right?

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No. And that fact might just maybe open your eyes to the fact that conservatives don't put the same weight on things that you think we do. I honestly had no clue who you were talking about in your previous post.

Um. But for the record, a small percentage of conservatives had some questions as to verification of Obama's natural born citizenship status, specifically and only in the context of meeting the constitutional requirements to hold the one and only office in the country which requires said status (ie: POTUS). Which is not at all to say they thought he was "not an American", as you claimed. Most (like myself) didn't doubt that he did meet the requirement, but felt that he had failed to provide sufficient documentation to verify that fact, once the question was raised. A small subset of that group were convinced that he didn't meet the requirement, and an even smaller subset of that group were convinced that he wasn't even a citizen.

So yeah. Forgive me for not leaping to the farther reaches of "nutter".



Yeah. We mostly do. The sheer effort expended to continually misrepresent our actual positions and actions by the Left is testament to that fact. How many threads did we have on this very subject? I was not once not clear about my position. I, in fact, took great pains to explain the difference between whether he was a citizen versus a natural born citizen, and why it mattered. But you just chucked that all out the window, didn't you?



Hypocrisy that only exists if you buy the strawman version of conservatives created by the Left. So you may not be a liberal, but you certainly buy their BS hook, line, and sinker.



And here come the personal attacks. Right on schedule. It's like there's a script you follow or something:

1. Make wild accusation
2. When it's refuted, deny it and demand proof.
3. When proof is provided, argue it's not sufficient.
4. When even more proof and solid argument is provided, start calling the other guy names.


You can't counter the position so you attack the person. You really don't get that this only shows your own weakness, right? If you have a point to make, make it. If your strongest argument is to attack or make fun of the other guy, you've already lost. And if you had a decent amount of self reflection, you might just ask why you hold the position(s) you do in the first place.

Sigh...