gbaji wrote:
You guys seriously don't understand that votes are a replacement for violent conflict as a means of deciding who leads us?
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We understand it's your latest attempt to scramble away from the actual point. You'll do it again before Thursday.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
#803gbaji,
Posted: Feb 12 2013 at 8:20 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) What point was I scrambling away from again?
gbaji wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
gbaji wrote:
You guys seriously don't understand that votes are a replacement for violent conflict as a means of deciding who leads us?
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
gbaji wrote:
You guys seriously don't understand that votes are a replacement for violent conflict as a means of deciding who leads us?
That doesn't make them analogous. Nor does it make statements like...
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Each person, armed with a gun (weapon of the time really), fights for his side and counts as one person fighting for his side. Each person, armed with a vote, fights for his side and counts as one person fighting for his side.
...less stupid.
But you never really responded: You feel that the conservatives would all agree to mandatory registration for every firearm and publicly available records of all firearm purchases/transactions? Because you currently need to be registered to vote and voting records are public. In fact, just like in voting, owning a gun while failing to register it would result in legal action including potential imprisonment.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
But then what about all those dead people registering guns and using them? You just armed the zombies of the apocalypse Joph...
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
#807gbaji,
Posted: Feb 12 2013 at 10:05 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Except that the sole purpose of voter registration is to ensure that only those legally allowed to vote vote (something it's woefully inept at btw). It's not so we can track and/or restrict those who vote. I'll tell you what though. Remove all restrictions and requirements on becoming registered to own a gun (except proving age and lack of felon/mental patient status), and hand out a national "registered to own a gun" ID, and I'd be more than happy. Note that registering to own a gun doesn't require that one actually own one, just as registering to vote doesn't require that you vote. We could then register everyone in the country who wants to be registered and be done with the issue. Then the card can be used whenever one wants to buy a gun with no waiting periods or background checks required. Obviously, cards can be revoked if the legal status changes. Easy solution and very few people would have a problem with this.
gbaji wrote:
It's not stupid at all. It's brilliance that sadly is lost on a population that has a very limited grasp on even the most basic concepts of civics and social constructs.
That must be it
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No. Because we don't require voters to tell us who they voted for, do we?
Doesn't matter. Each time you go to vote, you need to prove that you are registered and the fact that you are voting is recorded for public record. If "guns are votes" then each time you go to purchase a gun, you should have to prove government registration and then have that purchase recorded. Simple as that.
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Voting records are *not* public. The fact that you voted is
Erm, what do you think is meant by "voting records"? Anyway, it's currently the law and so you obviously agree that gun purchases should also be public record since guns are votes. And, by the way, while who you voted for isn't recorded, things such as whose ballot you choose in a primary certainly can be. So I think a fair amount of information about your gun purchases recorded into the public record is reasonable. Since "guns are votes" I'm certain that you agree.
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I'm totally up for that. Are you?
I said what I'm up for: treating guns like votes just like you asked. Required government registration which is checked for each and every "vote", public recording of "votes" and imprisonment for owning a "vote" without registration. You're the one flailing about trying to say these things don't really count. Ah, I almost forgot -- just as you are limited in how many times you can vote (once per election, assuming you're registered for that cycle), we're going to need strict limits on those "votes" as well, if you know what I mean.
Well, anyway, nice job stepping all over your **** as you try to compare a couple things, throw up some dumb challenge and then look like a fool trying to explain how they're nothing alike and guns shouldn't really be subject to the same laws as voting
Edited, Feb 12th 2013 11:00pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
Well, anyway, nice job stepping all over your **** as you try to compare a couple things, throw up some dumb challenge and then look like a fool trying to explain how they're nothing alike and guns shouldn't really be subject to the same laws as voting 
"Don't retreat; recount!"
So gbaji, what's a compelling reason to not have a public list of gun owners?
"The government will take them" will only earn you a
so don't go there.
"The thieves will know where to break in" will fall apart, because, according to you, the gun-owners will shoot them dead upon entry.
Go.
"The government will take them" will only earn you a
so don't go there. "The thieves will know where to break in" will fall apart, because, according to you, the gun-owners will shoot them dead upon entry.
Go.
remorajunbao wrote:
One day I'm going to fly to Canada and open the curtains in your office.
gbaji wrote:
It's not stupid at all. It's brilliance that sadly is lost on a population that has a very limited grasp on even the most basic concepts of civics and social constructs.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
No. Because we don't require voters to tell us who they voted for, do we?
Just who we paid to support. So let's just have records of guns people paid to have. Seems fair.
Just who we paid to support. So let's just have records of guns people paid to have. Seems fair.
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Based on Gbaji's analogy here, I think we can find a solution. 1 vote per person, 1 bullet per person. No restrictions on guns.
Just as Planned.
This is relevant.
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
Timelordwho wrote:
Based on Gbaji's analogy here, I think we can find a solution. 1 vote per person, 1 bullet per person. No restrictions on guns.
No, he already said that doesn't count. See, each person with a gun is a soldier in his side's army just like every person with a vote is a soldier in his side's army. Because casting one vote is the same as firing lots of bull--- hell, I don't know. Here, this sums up my feelings on this line of debate well enough:
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
**** you I just stopped opening the other thread with that image and now I have to see it here and laugh.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Jophiel wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
Based on Gbaji's analogy here, I think we can find a solution. 1 vote per person, 1 bullet per person. No restrictions on guns.
No, he already said that doesn't count. See, each person with a gun is a soldier in his side's army just like every person with a vote is a soldier in his side's army. Because casting one vote is the same as firing lots of bull--- hell, I don't know.
Wait. Wait. Wait.
Wait.
What's the Electoral College in this metaphor?
The only ones on the battlefield who weren't issued blanks.
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
#819gbaji,
Posted: Feb 13 2013 at 3:10 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Beyond the specific concerns, it's also a matter of privacy. We should not need a compelling reason to not have the government collect data about your life and make it public. We should require a compelling reason for any release of private information about an individual without their consent. Is there one in this case? Is there a compelling reason not to have a public list of women who've had abortions? How about lists of what books people read? What they watch on TV? What movies they rent? Let's make lists of associations while we're at it. It's a terrible idea. Doubly so given that gun ownership is an enumerated right in our constitution.
gbaji wrote:
Friar Bijou wrote:
So gbaji, what's a compelling reason to not have a public list of gun owners?
But there IS a public list of people who chose to vote in every election. So a list of people choosing to own firearms is completely acceptable.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
The same compelling reason to not have a public list of how people voted in the last election. The concern that they would be unfairly exposed to public pressure for doing something that is completely legal, but which their neighbors might not agree with.
Exactly, this is why no one can find out who owns real estate and how much they paid for it. Because people who own a great deal that they purchased at low prices might be unfairly...oh wait.
There are thousands of things that are matters of public record. Things far more benign than owning a deadly weapon. Let's set that aside though.
Are you against a universal registry through ATF that can only be accessed by law enforcement? (nothing like this currently exists before you assume)
Exactly, this is why no one can find out who owns real estate and how much they paid for it. Because people who own a great deal that they purchased at low prices might be unfairly...oh wait.
There are thousands of things that are matters of public record. Things far more benign than owning a deadly weapon. Let's set that aside though.
Are you against a universal registry through ATF that can only be accessed by law enforcement? (nothing like this currently exists before you assume)
Disclaimer:
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
Eske Esquire wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
Based on Gbaji's analogy here, I think we can find a solution. 1 vote per person, 1 bullet per person. No restrictions on guns.
No, he already said that doesn't count. See, each person with a gun is a soldier in his side's army just like every person with a vote is a soldier in his side's army. Because casting one vote is the same as firing lots of bull--- hell, I don't know.
Wait. Wait. Wait.
Wait.
What's the Electoral College in this metaphor?
The Electoral College members are battles won or lost in a war. Is this really such a difficult analogy for people to grasp? What do you think we'd be doing to determine who leads us if we didn't have elections or hereditary rule?
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Waiting for the cardinals to arrive at a new pope?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Friar Bijou wrote:
So gbaji, what's a compelling reason to not have a public list of gun owners?
But there IS a public list of people who chose to vote in every election. So a list of people choosing to own firearms is completely acceptable.
Obviously we should compromise: you only have to register your gun if you use it.
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
gbaji wrote:
The Electoral College members are battles won or lost in a war. Is this really such a difficult analogy for people to grasp? What do you think we'd be doing to determine who leads us if we didn't have elections or hereditary rule?
Arguably only in those districts where they're bound by law to vote the people's choice. Until then we're all just running around with blanks...
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
In true Republican spirit though, we don't want any same day registration. If you need to use your gun, you'll have to register and wait two to six weeks for your gun-use registration card.
otherwise you'll have minorities using that right and we can't have that...
otherwise you'll have minorities using that right and we can't have that...
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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