gbaji wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
Educate me... Do you need a concealed license in order to purchase a firearm?
No. But you do need one in order to carry one concealed on your person. Which is the relevant point here since I'm arguing that concealed carry by civilians (non on-duty police for the stupid) would help reduce the fatality rate from mass shootings (or potential mass shootings).
How will it help
Maybe read the previous 9 pages of this thread? And quote me properly.
There are numerous cases of shootings where the shooter clearly intended to kill enough people to qualify as a mass shooting but where a person in the vicinity with a concealed weapon was able to stop the shooter before he succeeded in kill that many people. The AT&T store shooting. The recent Oregon Mall shooting. A couple of church shootings (can't recall the names off the top of my head). The Pearl High School shooting we've been discussing. I linked to a site listing them earlier. There are quite a few.
Two things:
1. Your correction has been my point the "last 9 pages". The primary concern is to prevent mass shootings, not reduce the causalities.
2. You stated "potential mass shootings". "Prevent" wasn't meant to be taken as an absolute. If your solution PREVENTED a "potential mass shooting" from occurring, then it PREVENTED a potential mass shooting. So, I ask again, how does having a concealed weapon prevent a "potential mass shooting" any more beneficially than an armed guard? If anything, I would rather have an armed guard as a deterrent.
Smasharoo wrote:
Do you have to prove that you've had gun training to get a conceal and carry permit?
Varies wildly by jurisdiction, but in most cases the concealing part doesn't require special training. Some states require training to own. In many states there are broad exemptions. If I recall correctly, in Virginia anyone could conceal if they were traveling from home to work. Wasn't an issue for me as my place of work had guns enough without me freelancing one in from home. Also would have been frowned upon to the tune of 20 years in federal "pound me in the ***" prison.
Varies wildly by jurisdiction, but in most cases the concealing part doesn't require special training. Some states require training to own. In many states there are broad exemptions. If I recall correctly, in Virginia anyone could conceal if they were traveling from home to work. Wasn't an issue for me as my place of work had guns enough without me freelancing one in from home. Also would have been frowned upon to the tune of 20 years in federal "pound me in the ***" prison.
Thanks. Just giving me ammo on how the term "law abiding citizen" is a misleading joke.