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#2202 Jan 27 2012 at 10:09 AM Rating: Good
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You can't get any more challenging.
You could stop screening.
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#2203 Jan 27 2012 at 10:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've no doubt that he dismisses anyone who really challenges his beliefs as an idiot.

His efforts to prove just how objective and logical he is are doing an amazing job at accomplishing the opposite!


Read above.. Nice try. Your point of view doesn't make you smart or dumb, it's your logic and rationale for supporting it. The reality is, most people just support stuff without actually researching anything.


Mmmm...but conveniently, nobody here has ever been able to provide sufficient logic or rationale to sway you, I'm sure.
#2204 Jan 27 2012 at 1:27 PM Rating: Good
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Alma just how long have you been locked in the closet anyway?
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#2205 Jan 27 2012 at 9:20 PM Rating: Good
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When Alma reaches 10k his title should be
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#2206 Jan 27 2012 at 9:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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Post 206.
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#2207 Jan 27 2012 at 9:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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lolgaxe wrote:
Post 206.

This or Making Stuff Up.
#2208 Jan 27 2012 at 9:35 PM Rating: Good
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Post 206.
I hate myself for not thinking of this...
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#2209 Jan 27 2012 at 9:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Post 206.
I hate myself for not thinking of this...


I hate myself for not reading this post in time to claim it.

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#2210 Jan 27 2012 at 11:09 PM Rating: Good
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It has to be Post 206. Before that happened though, my vote was for this.

Edited, Jan 28th 2012 12:09am by Eske
#2211 Jan 27 2012 at 11:32 PM Rating: Good
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If it's not Post 206

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Misunderstood.


He'll think that's an adjective, we'll know it's a verb.
#2212 Jan 27 2012 at 11:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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So, finally bothered reading post 206. Alma said, "When everyone is treated relatively the same, you see a Soldier, regardless of sex, nationality, age, etc."

Amazing. He just can't grasp the concept of the sentence "When everyone is treated relatively the same, you see a Soldier, regardless of sexuality, sex, nationality, age, etc."

Then he goes into managerial details, which would be fixed like all the other organisations do it: gay men bath and bunk with the straight women, lesbians bath and bunk with the straight men. Bi's get put anywhere and get to make everyone blandly indifferent, uncomfortable, or interested, as the case may be.

In one way I can sympathise with Almalieque. People routinely change their social rules when they go into a professional situation. Sometimes radically change their social rules, which can be initially startling and hard, but is usually adjusted to quickly, when given a personally important reason to do so. For an example, a civilian radically changes social rules when joining the military, or a monastery, and expects to do so. The thing is, in the usual case the rules of the organisation are known ahead of time and the person goes in agreeing to abide by the change in social rules. In the case of an organisation of pretty fixed membership changing its rules, the fixed members are stuck with something that may have prevented them from joining the organisation in the first place, if they'd known about the new rule ahead of time.

Alma joined a military with an underground ***** population. I can understand him getting grumpy if he now has to deal with treating ****** relatively the same, as Soldiers, regardless of sexuality, sex, nationality, age etc. It's not what he joined up expecting to deal with.

Edited, Jan 28th 2012 12:57am by Aripyanfar
#2213 Jan 28 2012 at 1:02 AM Rating: Excellent
In other words, Ari, Alma's a coward?
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Belkira wrote:
In other words, Ari, Alma's a coward?
SEE post #519


ALSO: SEE post #520 in the DADT thread.Smiley: tongue


Edited, Jan 28th 2012 12:57am by Bijou
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#2215 Jan 28 2012 at 4:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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This makes me reminiscent of my nightclub days. The first time I was taken to a ***** club I was startled when my gay friend walked in with me to the women's toilets. After a moment's beat for my brain to catch up, it made perfect sense. Not only the queens used the women's, but hordes of gay men dressed simply in male club gear. I didn't bother staking out the men's toilets to see who used them. I know some of the lesbians used the women's. And I don't remember seeing any of the leathermen in the women's. Which I think is fairly indicitave, given I was usually, if not always at that particular club 8 hours a night on Friday and Saturday for a long time. So I got a fairly representative view of the women's toilets at that particular favourite club.

I was just as comfortable doing all my bathroom things around teh gays and bis as I was with other women. One time I went into a cubical with my bestest gay friend and his boyfriend and stripped off my corset top (leaving my torso naked above my skirt) so that the boyfriend could strip his top and try my corset on. He wanted to use it as part of a stage costume.*

Note to women: don't loan your female cut clothing to males, however skinny they are. They never come back the same.

*Three people in a toilet cubicle? Wasn't it rather crowded in there? Yes, actually, we were packed in like three giggling sardines. Especially since one of us was a 6'5" Greed god with proportionate shoulders. Luckily his shoulders were far above my head.

Edited, Jan 28th 2012 5:44am by Aripyanfar
#2216 Jan 28 2012 at 5:13 AM Rating: Good
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Especially since one of us was a 6'5" Greek god with proportionate shoulders.
Keep talking.
#2217 Jan 28 2012 at 6:39 AM Rating: Good
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He had a long narrow face and a perfect body. Not slender, not over-ripped. Firm and muscular. Not much body hair. Wide shoulders, and (gack, cliche) narrow hips. Long long legs. Dark, slightly wavy hair. Slightly gold skin all over. Chocolate eyes with elegant black lashes. Not quite almond shaped eyes but close. Lush cherubic lips, a sweet soft voice with a very foul mouth on him. A long and slightly hooked nose saved him from being pretty. Between his body and his nose he looked like a manly man. He sounded like a twink, moved like a female cat-walk model, and waved his hands dramatically like the good Mediterranean male he was. He filed his fingernails into short but discreetly perfect curves.

He garnered death threats from homophobes at uni, and conversely picked up a lot. When he left the on-campus residences, his mattress protector was so drenched head to toe in old ***** that the offended cleaners threw it out instead of laundering it, and refused to give back his rental bond.
#2218 Jan 29 2012 at 6:29 AM Rating: Default
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lolgaxe wrote:
Alma wrote:
You can't get any more challenging.
You could stop screening.


That would defeat the purpose of having an intellectual conversation or having my beliefs challenged. If I just talked with someone who agrees with everything I say, then I will not be able to see it from another point of view. If I wanted to talk with someone that doesn't have any substance, then I would just come here. It all balances out.

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Eske wrote:
I've no doubt that he dismisses anyone who really challenges his beliefs as an idiot.

His efforts to prove just how objective and logical he is are doing an amazing job at accomplishing the opposite!


Read above.. Nice try. Your point of view doesn't make you smart or dumb, it's your logic and rationale for supporting it. The reality is, most people just support stuff without actually researching anything.


Mmmm...but conveniently, nobody here has ever been able to provide sufficient logic or rationale to sway you, I'm sure.


Not anyone, but for the most part. When you call people homophobes or closeted homosexuals for not supporting a homosexual gain, you really can't expect people to take you seriously.
#2219 Jan 29 2012 at 6:38 AM Rating: Default
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Aripyanfar wrote:
So, finally bothered reading post 206. Alma said, "When everyone is treated relatively the same, you see a Soldier, regardless of sex, nationality, age, etc."

Amazing. He just can't grasp the concept of the sentence "When everyone is treated relatively the same, you see a Soldier, regardless of sexuality, sex, nationality, age, etc."

Then he goes into managerial details, which would be fixed like all the other organisations do it: gay men bath and bunk with the straight women, lesbians bath and bunk with the straight men. Bi's get put anywhere and get to make everyone blandly indifferent, uncomfortable, or interested, as the case may be.

In one way I can sympathise with Almalieque. People routinely change their social rules when they go into a professional situation. Sometimes radically change their social rules, which can be initially startling and hard, but is usually adjusted to quickly, when given a personally important reason to do so. For an example, a civilian radically changes social rules when joining the military, or a monastery, and expects to do so. The thing is, in the usual case the rules of the organisation are known ahead of time and the person goes in agreeing to abide by the change in social rules. In the case of an organisation of pretty fixed membership changing its rules, the fixed members are stuck with something that may have prevented them from joining the organisation in the first place, if they'd known about the new rule ahead of time.

Alma joined a military with an underground ***** population. I can understand him getting grumpy if he now has to deal with treating ****** relatively the same, as Soldiers, regardless of sexuality, sex, nationality, age etc. It's not what he joined up expecting to deal with.

Edited, Jan 28th 2012 12:57am by Aripyanfar


Wow.. your analysis is really, really off, but I sympathize with you. People routinely don't understand how someone can possibly have an objectively opposing view. You think that there must be something inherently wrong with that individual to avoid questioning your own beliefs and create fallacious scenarios to support yourself. When you realize this, then maybe, you can understand how seeing someone relatively the same isn't a contradiction to DADT.

Edited, Jan 29th 2012 2:40pm by Almalieque
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Speaking of DADT, is the military weaker yet?
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#2221 Jan 29 2012 at 7:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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Wow.. your analysis is really, really off, but I sympathize with you. People routinely don't understand how someone can possibly have an objectively opposing view. You think that there must be something inherently wrong with that individual to avoid questioning your own beliefs and create fallacious scenarios to support yourself. When you realize this, then maybe, you can understand how seeing someone relatively the same isn't a contradiction to DADT.


The Arguement goes like so:

Q. Alma, why do you oppose gay rights?

A. Post 206.

Then you tell him what you got out of post 206. I did it & others have done it before you. In every single instance, he's insisted that what WE got out of 206 isn't what he meant. Since we don't understand what he meant by what he wrote, he can't be wrong. Ask for clarification, & he refers to #206.

And so on.

I will attempt it, one last time. Alma, answer any one of the following 3 questions & please use complete sentences.

Alma, why do you have an "opposing view" of gay rights in general?
Post DADT repeal, how has the repeal effected you?
Why would you support DADT re-in statement?

Failure to answer these questions can only result in you remaining a cowardly, homophobic, ******. 2K + posts AFTER 206, what's there to lose?




Edited, Jan 29th 2012 8:54am by Omegavegeta
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#2222Almalieque, Posted: Jan 29 2012 at 7:33 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Depending on what you are defining.. There's a Soldier that I work with that I would bet plays for the wrong team and he's not being open about anything. As I said, women are the primarily people who are open about it. The environment has not changed to accept male homosexuals.
#2223 Jan 29 2012 at 8:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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The wrong team??

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Speaking of DADT, is the military weaker yet?


Depending on what you are defining.. There's a Soldier that I work with that I would bet plays for the wrong team and he's not being open about anything. As I said, women are the primarily people who are open about it. The environment has not changed to accept male homosexuals.

I've told many people that they keep playing around, that they are going to end up getting an EO complaint. Before, those complaints couldn't be made because you would be telling on yourself. Now, they can be made. I just stay out of it.
So no then.
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#2225Almalieque, Posted: Jan 29 2012 at 10:05 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Depending on what you are defining.. There's a Soldier that I work with that I would bet plays for the wrong team and he's not being open about anything. As I said, women are the primarily people who are open about it. The environment has not changed to accept male homosexuals.
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Repeating your "point" word for word doesn't help change my opinion on your answer being no. Expadning might, but I doubt it.
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