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#2177 Jan 27 2012 at 2:21 AM Rating: Default
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I've lurked through a lot and I still can't really pin Alma down (not in the gay wrestler sense).

He thinks homosexuality is a "personality" trait, much like hating broccoli or being short-tempered. At least, that is how I understood it. He seems to like to classify and quantify things in odd ways. Or, at the very least, classify them in ways that most of the population would not. I think until that conundrum is resolved no one will really be able to reach him on this issue.


For clarification, I do not believe that your sexuality, regardless of what it is, is a physical trait because there is nothing physical about it. The only other category that I can think of is a personal trait. If you want to classify it in another category, then go for it, but it isn't a physical trait.

See, that's what you call "consistency". Your mind and body are two different "systems". Your body will be excited by anything, it's your mind that make distinctions. Therefore, your arousal during sex does not make you a particular sexual orientation. HOWEVER, if you make a constant effort to engage in those activities, then that's a pretty good indication of your sexual orientation. That doesn't occur until your MIND becomes part of that equation. Therefore, it can not possibly be a physical trait if it's based on a mental acceptance.

See, what people on this forum do is jump ships to whatever supports their argument. Belkira mentioned that the ~philia comes in when the person becomes physical with the children. However, she also argued that the sodomy laws in the military aren't contradictory by repealing DADT because your sexual orientation isn't defined by your sexual actions and not everyone is having sex. That would imply that you aren't "gay" or "straight" until you have sex. Complete contradiction.

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I also realize that reaching him really is naively optimistic.


Only if you're a close-minded ignoramus who lacks the aptitude to know when you're approaching a more perspicacious person.
#2178 Jan 27 2012 at 2:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Therefore, your arousal during sex does not make you a particular sexual orientation. HOWEVER, if you make a constant effort to engage in those activities, then that's a pretty good indication of your sexual orientation.



AHA! So, Alma experimented and the dude forgot to use lube. It all makes sense now!


Surprise buttsecks don't make ya gay...but multiple surprise buttsecks just aren't as surprising? Smiley: laugh
#2179 Jan 27 2012 at 2:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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That would imply that a Kim Kardashian sex tape is as equally sexually pleasing as a Rosie O'Donnel sex tape.
Since these are both equally repulsive, could you pick two other females, please?[:barf:]
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#2180 Jan 27 2012 at 4:16 AM Rating: Default
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Almalieque wrote:
That would imply that a Kim Kardashian sex tape is as equally sexually pleasing as a Rosie O'Donnel sex tape.
Since these are both equally repulsive, could you pick two other females, please?[:barf:]


Well, there isn't a universal woman that matches everyone attractive criteria..

Mila Kunis sex tape vs Rosie O'Donnel sex tape ?

Jessica Alba sex tape vs Rosie O'Donnel sex tape ?

Beyonce sex tape vs Rosie O'Donnel ?

Megan Fox sex tape vs Rosie O'Donnel ?

J. LO sex tape vs Rosie O'Donnel ?

Throw me a bone...
#2181 Jan 27 2012 at 6:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Work complete?

No, I'm completely turned off.

Why do I get the feeling Alma didn't even read that one, simple paragraph I quoted? Maybe he read the first two words, and the last sentence? Because that's "how you speed read"?
#2182 Jan 27 2012 at 8:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Throw me a bone...

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#2183 Jan 27 2012 at 8:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Almalieque wrote:

Throw me a bone...

That's what he said.

Trololol.


Edit: Damn it!

Edited, Jan 27th 2012 9:14am by Nilatai
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#2184 Jan 27 2012 at 8:15 AM Rating: Good
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If we're going to attack the man, I vote we jump straight to the rape slanders.
#2185 Jan 27 2012 at 8:17 AM Rating: Good
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What's with his fascination with Rosie O'Donnel?
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#2186 Jan 27 2012 at 8:23 AM Rating: Good
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#2187 Jan 27 2012 at 8:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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What's with his fascination with Rosie O'Donnel?

Show tunes and Koosh balls. He and Varus should start a fan club.
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#2188 Jan 27 2012 at 8:53 AM Rating: Default
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lolgaxe wrote:
What's with his fascination with Rosie O'Donnel?


The point was to compare a woman who is seen as "attractive" vs a woman who is not seen as "attractive".
#2189 Jan 27 2012 at 9:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ahh, so now you want us to play semantics on what is considered attractive with your use of quotation marks, subtly (possibly even subconsciously) implying you find O'Donnel visually pleasing. Interesting ...
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a woman who is not seen as "attractive".

You should have picked a black woman. It'd be more scientific!
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#2191 Jan 27 2012 at 9:09 AM Rating: Default
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Ahh, so now you want us to play semantics on what is considered attractive with your use of quotation marks, subtly (possibly even subconsciously) implying you find O'Donnel visually pleasing. Interesting ...


The goal was to compare an "attractive" woman with an "unattractive" woman. I was asked to find a more pleasing woman, so the woman that I changed to would denote the pleasing woman. So, if you were to analyze what was said in context with common sense, then you would realize that your analysis is incorrect.

I used quotes because I don't like calling people "ugly" or "unattractive" because I know it's all in the eyes of the beholder. Just like Bijou doesn't find Kim Kardashian attractive, there's millions of men who disagree. Check any top 100 hot woman chart that includes U.S women and she's probably in there.
#2192 Jan 27 2012 at 9:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Subconscious it is. Thanks for proving a fact what was just a joke.
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#2193 Jan 27 2012 at 9:15 AM Rating: Default
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Subconscious it is. Thanks for proving a fact what was just a joke.


Whatever gets you off... Don't worry, that doesn't mean you're gay.
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Almalieque wrote:
For clarification, I do not believe that your sexuality, regardless of what it is, is a physical trait because there is nothing physical about it. The only other category that I can think of is a personal trait. If you want to classify it in another category, then go for it, but it isn't a physical trait.


I am physically a male because of my genes. I have brown hair, green eyes and white (it is really more of a pink color actually) skin because of my genes. I am 5 foot, 9 inches tall because of my genes. And it is possible that I am gay because of my genes. Genes drive physical characteristics of an organism.

And that is the crux of the issue, at least in my eyes. You say there is nothing physical about sexuality, even when it is widely known that the jury is out on if there is a genetic link to sexuality. So while the rest of the rational world is willing to say "we don't know" you say "I know". No one knows the cause of homosexuality. No one. Not you, and not me.

Listen, I am not going to debate this with you because there is no point - everything I said above has already been said. Changing your mind on this subject is well beyond my power, which is why I said it was naively optimistic. It wasn't a cut at you, it was an honest reflection of my observations.
#2195 Jan 27 2012 at 9:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Giggle, now you've moved on to transference.
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#2196 Jan 27 2012 at 9:36 AM Rating: Default
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Dozer wrote:
I am physically a male because of my genes. I have brown hair, green eyes and white (it is really more of a pink color actually) skin because of my genes. I am 5 foot, 9 inches tall because of my genes. And it is possible that I am gay because of my genes. Genes drive physical characteristics of an organism.


You're confusing genotypes with phenotypes. According to your definition, everything is physical. Even if that were true, that wouldn't allow us to make any distinctions from physical disorders from mental disorders, etc. If you have any intentions to make those distinctions, then you can not put sexuality in the same category on how tall you are.

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And that is the crux of the issue, at least in my eyes. You say there is nothing physical about sexuality, even when it is widely known that the jury is out on if there is a genetic link to sexuality. So while the rest of the rational world is willing to say "we don't know" you say "I know". No one knows the cause of homosexuality. No one. Not you, and not me.


Read above. You're going into an area that I'm not. I don't care if it's biological or not. I don't care if Schizophrenia is biological through traits or not, it's still a MENTAL disorder.

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Listen, I am not going to debate this with you because there is no point - everything I said above has already been said. Changing your mind on this subject is well beyond my power, which is why I said it was naively optimistic. It wasn't a cut at you, it was an honest reflection of my observations.


I didn't take it as a cut, that's why my response was what it was. The two of us are arguing over a topic and because I'm not accepting your opinion then the problem must be with me. In reality, I can say the same for you and everyone else here. Once you engage in diverse audiences, you'll start to see the light in your cloudy judgement.

Hint, if everyone around you agrees with you, then you're in the wrong place. Jus' sayin'.
#2197 Jan 27 2012 at 9:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hint, if everyone around you agrees with you, then you're in the wrong place. Jus' sayin'.
Wasn't one of your recent arguments that it was funny how when you had the same discussions the people around you all agreed with you? Jus' sayin'.
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#2198 Jan 27 2012 at 9:44 AM Rating: Default
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Almalieque wrote:
Hint, if everyone around you agrees with you, then you're in the wrong place. Jus' sayin'.
Wasn't one of your recent arguments that it was funny how when you had the same discussions the people around you all agreed with you? Jus' sayin'.


Lol, you're such a tool... I was going to clarify, but I decided not..

That's the reason why I go here.. .. to argue with people who disagrees with me. Pretty sure I've said that the last past 8 years.

Besides, the people that I talk to in person are carefully selected as people who aren't idiots but have differing beliefs. We don't always agree, the results are either mutual agreements or agreements and the agreements are usually parts of arguments not the overall concept. For example, the S2 is all for abortion, but he understands my argument against it. He's an atheist and think religious people are idiots, but we came to a mutual agreement on the "creation of the universe".
#2199 Jan 27 2012 at 9:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ahaha. You screen people so they don't challenge you too much! Smiley: laugh
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Besides, the people that I talk to in person are carefully selected as people who aren't idiots


I've no doubt that he dismisses anyone who really challenges his beliefs as an idiot.

His efforts to prove just how objective and logical he is are doing an amazing job at accomplishing the opposite!

Edited, Jan 27th 2012 10:51am by Eske
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lolgaxe wrote:
Ahaha. You screen people so they don't challenge you too much! Smiley: laugh


Maybe you should reread what I said?

I find intelligent people with varying beliefs... You can't get any more challenging. My BN S2 is by far one of the most overall smart people that I've met in awhile. I learned a lot from just short discussions. He took over my role as the "Math guy". Unlike me, he actually remembers everything that he done in college, because he does problems for fun. That gave me motivation to get back in it.

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I've no doubt that he dismisses anyone who really challenges his beliefs as an idiot.

His efforts to prove just how objective and logical he is are doing an amazing job at accomplishing the opposite!


Read above.. Nice try. Your point of view doesn't make you smart or dumb, it's your logic and rationale for supporting it. The reality is, most people just support stuff without actually researching anything.
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